GOP whines about "cancel culture" because they don't want to accept responsibility for their actions

Lg2000 · Jan 21, 2021

Im okay with cancel culture. You have freedom to say what you want and how you feel , others have the freedom to choose not to deal with you. Dont cry about it later .

Albion · Jan 21, 2021

Lg2000 said:
Im okay with cancel culture. You have freedom to say what you want and how you feel , others have the freedom to choose not to deal with you. Dont cry about it later .

You apparently are not familiar with the meaning that's behind the term "Cancel Culture." But here's a hint...CANCEL doesn't mean there's a right to believe and do what is legal.

Think about it.

CANCEL:
b. to destroy the force, effectiveness, or validity of : ANNUL
c: to match in force or effect : OFFSET —often used with outhis irritability canceled out his natural kindness— Osbert Sitwell
d: to bring to nothingness : DESTROY

(Merriam-Webster dictionary)

topher694 · Jan 21, 2021

Michael said:
Would you complain if Twitter banned a neo-Nazi spreading hate speech and calling for violence?

Twitter has MASSIVE amounts of hate speech and calling for violence and has for a long time. Hence, in part, the hypocrisy.

topher694 · Jan 21, 2021

Michael said:
More typical disinformation.

Oh the irony

Michael · Jan 21, 2021

Albion said:
No! If I had meant that, I would have included it in my post.

So what *exactly* are you advocating with respect to hate speech and disinformation?

I was clear in saying that Twitter (and others) are biased and explained why that is correct to say.

And again, so what? As I pointed out, even supposed *news* organizations like MSNBC and Foxnews are "biased" in the extreme and they don't even pretend to hide it. Even *if* it's the case that Twitter is biased in some way, it doesn't change the fact that they have the right to moderate their content as they see fit. The fact they can't and don't find *all* the offending posts and content and remove it, doesn't mean they shouldn't remove the content which they *do* find and remove. Much of that filtering is done by computer code that isn't "perfect" to begin with.

Michael · Jan 21, 2021

topher694 said:
Oh the irony

Indeed, but not the way you seem to imagine. You seem to want to have your cake and eat it too. You seem to want to take away the rights and liberties of Twitter, only because they imperfectly moderate their content.

Michael · Jan 21, 2021

topher694 said:
Twitter has MASSIVE amounts of hate speech and calling for violence and has for a long time. Hence, in part, the hypocrisy.

They've been systematically and methodically removing such speech for a long time too. The fact they're not 100 percent perfect doesn't make them hypocrites.

You seem also be missing the fact that *consequences* aren't "unfair" simply because they happen to a US President.

topher694 · Jan 21, 2021

Michael said:
Indeed, but not the way you seem to imagine. You seem to want to have your cake and eat it too. You seem to want to take away the rights and liberties of Twitter, only because they imperfectly moderate their content.

Just look at yourself. I've not given a specific stand on anything other than your own hypocrisy yet you keep projecting your idea of political motivations onto me. In my experience that is a huge indicator of a major idol in one's life.

Sparagmos · Jan 21, 2021

Dave G. said:
Cancel culture is really cancel anything not far left leaning. And when you find yourself not quite far enough to the left they will cancel you too. Cancel culture is a non American approach and avoids the constitution which is something you will find more and more prevalent in the coming years, till we are actually communists going into a New World Order. Cancel culture is one more form of hatred fanning the flame of destruction of a country as we once knew it. It's a form of dictatorship flexing it's muscles straining to completely/ finally be unleashed from it's restraints.

This country is in huge trouble, I said it before, with or without Trump and now regardless of pretty even comfy feeling inauguration shots. Some of you are completely consumed by hatred, I've watched it grow. You have absolutely no idea what is really happening, you just hate so much that more hate looks good to you. You've gotten your way, your people are in office and you still won't rest but will go to your graves consumed by hatred. But you need to be careful, one day you may not fit the mold of the perfect society like Jews did not in Nazi Germany's lynch mob dictatorship.. That movement started off so simple, so inviting and it led to their utter destruction.

Michael · Jan 22, 2021

topher694 said:
Just look at yourself. I've not given a specific stand on anything other than your own hypocrisy yet you keep projecting your idea of political motivations onto me. In my experience that is a huge indicator of a major idol in one's life.

LOL! Irony overload!

And just to be clear, you've yet to demonstrate any hypocrisy on my part, and you're the one who professed to have mind reading skills, not me.

Michael · Jan 22, 2021

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Now you did it. You shattered the illusion.

Oompa Loompa · Jan 22, 2021

Michael said:
Throw them out of office. That's the best way to hold them accountable IMO. They are already being held accountable for their dishonesty and their seditious behavior. In four short years they've lost the Presidency, the House and the Senate, and they remain deeply divided as a party.

In Trump's case he's earned himself a place in history as the only President to be impeached twice, and I hope the Senate finds him guilty and he's not allowed to ever hold public office again. He utterly disgraced himself and his party. The world doesn't need another petty wannabe dictator.

So when you say "throw them out" what you really mean is "vote them out of office"? Just making sure. I am sure you don't want to incite any violence. People have been impeached for saying things like that.

topher694 · Jan 22, 2021

Michael said:
LOL! Irony overload!

And just to be clear, you've yet to demonstrate any hypocrisy on my part, and you're the one who professed to have mind reading skills, not me.

Well let's see:

Michael said:
Indeed, but not the way you seem to imagine. You seem to want to have your cake and eat it too. You seem to want to take away the rights and liberties of Twitter, only because they imperfectly moderate their content.

Michael said:
You seem also be missing the fact that *consequences* aren't "unfair" simply because they happen to a US President.

I never said anything remotely like these statements. I guess we can add gaslighting to the list of your talents.

Oompa Loompa · Jan 22, 2021

SummerMadness said:
There is a reason why people decry cancel culture and chant MAGA at the same time. There was a time when a person of privilege could do and say whatever they wanted. The Tulsa massacre and the murder of Emmitt Till were the extremes of this freedom they had. But the Civil Rights Movement, women's liberation, LGBTQ rights movement, etc., they changed the game. You can no longer say and do whatever you want without accountability, and they hate that. That's why they loved Trump, he seemed to get away with the things they could not. And it wasn't until the terrorist attack on the Capitol building that the good luck ran out for Trump. So now all that happens is incessant whining about things being unfair. No, it's not unfair, no one has is required to sit in your presence if you're going to be rude, mean, intolerant and a overall jerk. Some people want to hate openly without being called out, hence the complaints about cancel culture.

So when is that standard going to apply to the left? When are democrats going to be held accountable for their rhetoric?

Arc F1 · Jan 22, 2021

Michael said:
In Trump's case, it's directly related to *recent* activity, and activity that involves inciting violence that resulted in *murder*. His Twitter ban is directly related to the fact that he was using their platform to call his mob to DC, to lie to them, to encourage them (and pressure Mike Pence) to break the law. What Twitter did was simply the inevitable outcome from *misusing* their platform for nefarious purposes. They aren't required to be complicit in his crimes.

What is the definition of fact?

Arc F1 · Jan 22, 2021

Lg2000 said:
Im okay with cancel culture. You have freedom to say what you want and how you feel , others have the freedom to choose not to deal with you. Dont cry about it later .

These companies built themselves up by including everyone's voice. Once they were big enough to control the narrative and stomp out competition they then started to push their own narrative. Now that they have control people are powerless to go elsewhere. We all saw what happened with parler. The only option is for government intervention.

Michael · Jan 22, 2021

topher694 said:
Well let's see:

I never said anything remotely like these statements. I guess we can add gaslighting to the list of your talents.

Here's what you said:

Twitter has MASSIVE amounts of hate speech and calling for violence and has for a long time. Hence, in part, the hypocrisy.

You're implying that since Twitter still has removed *all* violent content, somehow that makes them (and apparently me too) hypocritical in your mind. All it actually demonstrates is that hate speech has been a problem all along, and they're not perfect at weeding it out.

Aside from your blatant gaslighting about "hypocrisy"....

I suppose in retrospect that you didn't actually imply that Twitter's rights should be curtailed, nor that it was "unfair" only because Trump happened to be the President at the time, so I can see your frustration at my statements. My bad.

Unlike Trump, I can admit to making mistakes when I make them.

I do however stand by my statement that you *still* have not demonstrated that I have in any way acted hypocritically, nor have you actually demonstrated that Twitter has acted hypocritically either. All you've managed to demonstrate is that Twitter is imperfect, just like me and just like everyone else.

Twitter still has the right to moderate their forums as they see fit and Trump still deserved the ban for violating their rules. There's nothing unfair about it.

Michael · Jan 22, 2021

Arc F1 said:
What is the definition of fact?

In this particular case, the "facts" related to his actions were posted to his Twitter accounts, including the video he posted directly after the riots where he claimed to "love" them and he called them 'special'. They were indeed 'special' alright, but I didn't find anything to "love" about their behaviors.

Arc F1 · Jan 22, 2021

Michael said:
In this particular case, the "facts" related to his actions were posted to his Twitter accounts, including the video he posted directly after the riots where he claimed to "love" them and he called them 'special'. They were indeed 'special' alright, but I didn't find anything to "love" about their behaviors.

I was just curious after reading your post. I wasn't sure that you understood the meaning.

Michael · Jan 22, 2021

Arc F1 said:
I was just curious after reading your post. I wasn't sure that you understood the meaning.

Oh, I certainly understand the meaning of incitement, and I can understand attempted coop by a petty wannabe dictator when I see it.

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