Discussion Prophecy videos about Trump will still be president

Michael Collum said:

what do you think of the videos?

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They are great

Because I believe

The more one doubles down on lies, the deeper the hole will become.

This is where humility is key in the Christian walk.

Terrible. Guy is a joke , passing off his own imagination and dreams as god telling him something . Its blasphemy and he needs to be ignored. People believe guys such as him because they are easily deceived . They are looking at words from man , not god .

. This guy has no special pipeline to god . Everything you need to know and god wants us to know is in the word.
Its harmful to christianity , they make it look like a joke and cause people not to believe. God takes it serious . So followers of christ should take it serious as well

I dont believe prophecy like this about political issues , . Thats mans kingdoms. How should it be examined. Has to be backed up by the bible and biblical things. I do believe in prophecy but not about no damn elections or nonsense as such.

Michael Collum said:

I believe in the gift of prophecy, but I think the guy in the video may have another gift.

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Some spiritual gifts are easily faked. The Gift of Tongues, for example, is one of those. I have met a couple people claiming they have it. All they do is make repetitive sounds instead of trying to make it sound like an actual language.[2]

There is also something called Cold Reading. Basically, they are educated guesses using observational skills and extracting information out of their targets. I have seen people use this to make themselves appear more prophetic.[1]

For less glamorous spiritual gifts, the Gift of Giving can also be done by anyone who has another person's credit card.

In my own personal opinion, Discernment and Wisdom are two spiritual gifts I would want for myself, God willing. They are boring, but practical... Just the way I like it.

1. Physics 3333 / Cold Reading
2. Anecdotal

Michael Collum said:

On January 19 2021 the person in the above you tube re-affirmed that (on Jan 20) 1) Trump will be re-elected, 2) there will be a military intervention, and 3) There will be swift judgment.

This did not happen.

The person in the above quoted You Tube says that "God is speaking to him" but what he said will happen, didn't actually happen.

In the following video this same person states how his prophecies are being fulfilled, and will be fulfilled.

This person states that it's not about Trump, but the second term was one of his prophetic words, but it didn't happen.

I also note that he can really be passive aggressive about people who disagree.

The way I see the three things he talked about, was that Trump tried to get re-elected, there was a military intervention due to the capitol riot, swift judgment against the insurrectionists.

one problem with prophecies like this (there are other types) is, they can be re-interpreted after the fact, so it is no longer about God - but about a human's interpretation of a message only that person received.

The questions to discuss is, 1) what do you think of the videos? and 2) how should prophecy be examined in general?

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Ok, nearly everything this guy said was hogwash and self-serving. And that is true regardless of if his predictions had come to pass or not. There was nothing prophetic about this. It was much closer to divination than prophetic. I don't care who he thinks is speaking into his life this line of ministering is way off.

That being said some actual legitimate prophets did prophesy about Trump. They and much of the legitimate prophetic community have fallen into 2 major areas of error, regardless of what "side" they fall on these prophecies. As a whole the prophetic community needs to shut their mouths take some time and listen to God one on one instead of bickering on social media.

A lot of these prophecies begin with the theme that God will honour his covenant with America or that America is a Christian Nation or America was founded on Christian values or America is a special nation and has been chosen by God.

The theology behind these videos directly contradict the Holy Scriptures.

For example:

Psalm 147:19-20 He declares His word to Jacob,
His statutes and judgments to Israel.
He has done this for no other nation;
they do not know His judgments.

Jesus Kingdom is not of this world, our citizenship is in heaven, we are entering through the narrow gate. What God promised to National Israel he promised to National Israel.

God Bless

Michael Collum said:

On January 19 2021 the person in the above you tube re-affirmed that (on Jan 20) 1) Trump will be re-elected, 2) there will be a military intervention, and 3) There will be swift judgment.

This did not happen.

The person in the above quoted You Tube says that "God is speaking to him" but what he said will happen, didn't actually happen.

In the following video this same person states how his prophecies are being fulfilled, and will be fulfilled.

This person states that it's not about Trump, but the second term was one of his prophetic words, but it didn't happen.

I also note that he can really be passive aggressive about people who disagree.

The way I see the three things he talked about, was that Trump tried to get re-elected, there was a military intervention due to the capitol riot, swift judgment against the insurrectionists.

one problem with prophecies like this (there are other types) is, they can be re-interpreted after the fact, so it is no longer about God - but about a human's interpretation of a message only that person received.

The questions to discuss is, 1) what do you think of the videos? and 2) how should prophecy be examined in general?

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The person in the vids apologized for mis-claiming God mentioned WHEN He would bring Trump back because God did not tell him when - he initially assumed God would bring Trump back in January but he was wrong for this assumption and has apologized.

He has since clarified and said God told him that Trump would be brought back and Biden removed but the timing is not known to him yet because God has not revealed it to him.

I am ok with this situation.

The plethora of Christians who prophesied that Trump would win a second term in 2020 missed it badly. Some were very famous people who frequent prophetic conferences and write books.
Consider:
1 Corinthians 13
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

The Lord has given me dreams and insights down through the years. I never got anything about Trump being elected for a second term. I did state he would win the first term. Many friends had a chuckle about that... but it happened.
I think there is a misunderstanding among many as to what the prophetic gift is. The Holy Spirit enabled gift of prophecy never fails... but there is a prophetic element that comes from the reborn spirit of Christ in us. In my earlier days teaching in the Prophetic School, I called it the "ungift" to differentiate it from the Holy Spirit enabled gift of prophecy. When people use this "ungift" to foretell, it fails almost as often as it comes true. This ability is not intended to be used in foretelling. It is meant to comfort, edify, and exhort. Believers who are keen to the Spirit may hear the Spirit regarding things of the future. But this is not a spiritual gift, it is just the Spirit sharing things with you. Some believers will take this information and incorporate it into an ungift message intending to comfort, edify, and exhort. However, when they do this, they fall prey to the above scripture warning "whether there be prophecies, they shall fail." As stated, all prophetic messages delivered via the Holy Spirit enable gift of prophecy will come true. Not so with the personal ungift prophecy. They will fail, not because of anything the Spirit did, but they will fail because things shared from the Spirit may not be intended for public consumption, and just as often as not, the individual just gets it wrong.
In the case of the Trump second term prophesies, they just got it wrong. They either heard wrong, or they misunderstood, or most likely, got on the "prophetic train" of those who were declaring the same thing.
Those with the Holy Spirit enabled gift of prophecy know when they receive a message or revelation from God. There is no mistaking it. I suspect the vast majority of people giving messages do not have the Holy Spirit enabled gift. They just do not know any better.
I will say they are not "false prophets" which is a very specific term in the NT which referred to someone who does not believe in Jesus or the gospel, and they do not want you to believe in Jesus and the gospel either.
These folks just got it wrong. And brought distain upon the gifts and the church.

I have new thoughts about the video. This one of the reasons why people hate Christianity, why follow something so foolish. The kid n this video made te same mistake I did, thinking politics is Christianity. I ain't making that mistake again.

Taodeching said:

The kid n this video made te same mistake I did, thinking politics is Christianity. I ain't making that mistake again.

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Interesting thought. These scriptures might tie in. God Bless:

Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.” (John 18:36)

But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ. (Philippians 3:20)

Beloved, I urge you as aliens and strangers in this world to abstain from sinful desires which wage war against your soul (1 Peter 2:11)

Quite a few prophets claimed they were told by God that Trump would have 2 consecutive terms (Kim Clement is the most famous).

Before the November 2020 election, approximately 30 prophets on Youtube said Trump would win by a landslide. This number increased to 40 by December and up to 50 by the end of January after Biden was inaugurated on January 20, 2021. The numbers went higher, not lower.

When many prophets were told to recant for being false, 99% of them doubled down and said "God told us what He did; we are not allowed to change it. And Trump did win by a landslide but it was stolen. You just don't know it...yet. But God will expose it."

In order for Trump to fulfill the second consecutive term prophecy, he needs to be re-instated as POTUS before the next presidential election on November 2024. This is the natural expiration date for this second consecutive term prophecy. He can still be re-instated in 2023 for example, and still fulfill the prophecy. In fairness to him, he should be given back the years stolen, meaning 2023+4 years... and this will throw off the election cycle but it can be done.

About 10 - 15 prophets have now stepped forward in the first 2 weeks of 2022 claiming God said He will begin the exposure of corruption and cheating starting February 2022 and it will snowball as the months go by, eventually culminating in Trump's return (no date given). God is apparently pressuring guilty persons via dreams and visions to confess, and some will. Some have been refusing. It will not be the election audits that cause the above events. When the election is reversed and pres.#46 is gone (some say he and others involved will expire, some on the same day).

Since many OT and NT prophecies have yet to be fulfilled after waiting thousands of years, we can certainly wait for these prophecies to play out as well.

So, patience people.

Ephesians 4:11: And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers.

We have no problem believing in the position of evangelist, teacher and pastor - even though there are false ones out there.

A false prophet is primarily one who prophecies to turn people away from God. A mistake a prophet might make in interpreting what God revealed to him is understandable to me. We all make mistakes. If I don't see a deliberate attempt to turn people away from God, I will not call that person a false prophet.

Also, "For we know in part, and we prophesy in part." (1 Corinthians 13).

1) No prophet is given the complete picture of events. Prophets are most often given specifics of the event or specifics of the timing, but not both.

2) Some prophecies are conditional, depending on the response of the people. If they repent, for example, God relents, and the prophecy is put on hold. This is seen in the prophet Jonah who predicted the destruction of Nineveh, but that event was delayed for about 100 years due to their initial repentance.