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To continue, our world, and I use the word world now rather than earth, which as I have said is a small planet encircling the sun in God's created universe and governed by natural physical laws which we are investigating, our world, that is our total experiences of our mortal lives, is governed by the devil. He too, like God, is a spiritual being and if we believe in the supernatural we must believe in the existence of the devil. More later.
To continue, our world, and I use the word world rather than earth, which I have said is a most wonderfully blessed planet that the sun does encircle as it follows its circuit within Gods created universe everyday. That are governed by his word and the physical laws he has chosen which we are investigating today. Dearest Norman your Anarchist Kate was always a most troublesome student at school especially when it came to science. My science teacher would have much liked to give me a good smack everyday. Sadly for him the spanking days were over when I started school : ) As to us mere mortals being governed and influenced by God and the devil while down here apon earth. Yes that’s very true. But in the Light Bearers kingdom the Sun does reign supreme. And in his temples of worship the North be forbidden. May we well reflect apon the ancient of days with those who were discovered in the temple of God. Who’s loyalty was found to be towards another god. With their worship being directed towards the East.
 
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As to us mere mortals being governed and influenced by God and the devil while down here apon earth. Yes
Your whole post is interesting and I enjoyed reading it. However I would like to respond to one or two points. This one quoted, is not really my position. We have free will therefore we are free to choose to follow God or the devil. God certainly does not compell us to follow Him, and if we choose to follow the devil He does not punish us. If we follow the devil, he is pleased and rewards us with pain and discomfort. If we confess our sins to God and repent by rebuking the devil, God will forgive us and have mercy on us. But if we continue to follow the devil, God continues not to punish, but I think He forsakes us to the devil. But at the Second Coming of Christ the devil will no longer exist.
From our perspective we are the centre of the universe and the sun does appear to encircle the earth. However, God’s gift of science has taught us about relativity and frames of reference. Einstein's theory clearly shows there is no absolute frame of reference in our observed universe, and God's physical laws governing His universe provide a simpler explanation of what we observe. That is, not to use ourselves as being at the centre, presumably stationary, with God? Anyway I believe God is not naturally present in our universe. He once was as Jesus in our time and space, but God is a spiritual being and only exists within us if we accept Him. He is then within us as the Holy Spirit.
 
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Your whole post is interesting and I enjoyed reading it. However I would like to respond to one or two points. This one quoted, is not really my position. We have free will therefore we are free to choose to follow God or the devil. God certainly does not compell us to follow Him, and if we choose to follow the devil He does not punish us. If we follow the devil, he is pleased and rewards us with pain and discomfort. If we confess our sins to God and repent by rebuking the devil, God will forgive us and have mercy on us. That is, He continues not to punish, but I think He forsakes us to the devil. But at the Second Coming of Christ the devil will no longer exist.
From our perspective we are the centre of the universe and the sun does appear to encircle the earth. However, God’s gift of science has taught us about relativity and frames of reference. Einstein's theory clearly shows there is no absolute frame of reference in our observed universe, and God's physical laws governing His universe provide a simpler explanation of what we observe. That is, not to use ourselves as being at the centre, presumably stationary, with God? Anyway I believe God is not naturally present in our universe. He once was as Jesus in our time and space, but God is a spiritual being and only exists within us if we accept Him. He is then within us as the Holy Spirit.
Norman you put forth so many interesting viewpoints with your reply. Yes I do remember the law of relativity that Albert Einstein put forth. He simply threw the eather out for awhile in order for his theory to work with those who had a like minded agenda and then indoctrinated to the masses.Though the eather may still be subtly known as dark matter in today’s world of science you know : ) As to free will. Yes we do and yet we don’t. Maybe later I shall give my thoughts more deeply on that. But now it is getting some late so the sleeptime does come soon. With the God no longer being present in our universe. Norman he surly must be: for if he not be than how could anyone believe and be touched by his Spirit. He was once the Jesus but you say he be the Jesus no more. Than that would mean only the Holy Father and the Holy Spirt and no Jesus in our many prayers. Norman that would mean we would have to rewrite much of the New Testament a new. I shall think apon that. What do you make of the verse where it says ( we shall look apon the nail prints in his hands ) when we all do see. The sleeptime has arrived for me. Norman hope you have a nice morning and lovely day ahead.
 
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@Kate30. We seem to have hijacked this thread! Readers are not contributing at the moment. I trust it is not because we are seen as two innocent, ignorant (no disrespect there, just lacking in knowledge) people searching for the truth, or worse they think they know it all. I will get back, and writing here is a therapy. My wife says she uses talk therapy!
I trust you have a pleasant night and we thank God for the new morning.
I am a strong Trinitarian. Of course God is always present and available as the Spirit in Jesus and within us, if we accept Him, as the Holy Spirit. Jesus, that is God, does not walk the earth now as a mortal man. He did, for a short while, and He will do so again at His Second Coming. In the meantime, with the Holy Spirit within us, we can have a spiritual relationship with God and it will also be personal through Jesus.
This is why C. S. Lewis said that Christianity was the only religion which made complete sense. It is the only one where we can have a personal relationship with God (or gods,if they exist).
 
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@Kate30. We seem to have hijacked this thread! Readers are not contributing at the moment. I trust it is not because we are seen as two innocent, ignorant (no disrespect there, just lacking in knowledge) people searching for the truth, or worse they think they know it all. I will get back, and writing here is a therapy. My wife says she uses talk therapy!
I trust you have a pleasant night and we thank God for the new morning.
I am a strong Trinitarian. Of course God is always present and available as the Spirit in Jesus and within us, if we accept Him, as the Holy Spirit. Jesus, that is God, does not walk the earth now as a mortal man. He did, for a short while, and He will do so again at His Second Coming. In the meantime, with the Holy Spirit within us, we can have a spiritual relationship with God and it will also be personal through Jesus.
This is why C. S. Lewis said that Christianity was the only religion which made complete sense. It is the only one where we can have a personal relationship with God (or gods,if they exist).
Hi Norman. You say we have hijacked the forum. Sweet one it be your forum so how did that come about : ) We be seen as two innocents and some ignorant you think. Norman I not be so innocent, but rather prudent when it comes to the ways of this world. As to others. Well they either choose to add to your forum or they don’t. Perhaps you cover too many topics in your forum and people know not where to begin I’m glad to know your a Trinitarian. Maybe I was a little confused with your wording, when you wrote ( He was as Jesus in our time and space ) I haven’t read any of C.S Lewis when it comes to his deeper religious writings. Only the Narnia chronicles along with lion the witch and the wardrobe when I was very young. Many people do seem to like. So perhaps I should read some more. Hope you are well and having a nice morning.
 
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@Kate30. Many thanks again for your supportive post and pointing out my confused compositions. I think by hijacking the thread (wrong word of course) I meant we are dominating the exchange with our more personal points of view and therefore others are leaving us alone to just get on with it. I guess we could open a conversation but I am reluctant, my wife must be a full participant but at the moment she is far too busy just looking after ourselves, and especially me. God bless.
 
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I have just re-read this thread completely, and I thank all posters in it for their contributions. It appears I have abandoned my interest in these forum discussions, spending all of my meagre writing efforts in my blog entitled Christian Anarchism. That writing is turning out to be a substitute for talk therapy, the third therapy suggested by psychiatrists to alleviate mild depression. The four are diet, exercise, talk therapy and then possibly medication. By talk therapy it means where the depressed person does all of the talking, and merely wants a sympathetic listener. My blogging seems to be fulfilling that criterion, with up to a hundred viewers (they may not be complete readers) for each entry, but no comments. Thank you God for giving me the strength to do this, and it may be that some of my writings are not failing to interest some viewers and perhaps get them thinking beyond their dependence on authoritarian structures.
 
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I have resurrected this thread hoping for some response, from committed Christians Anarchists (there is nothing wrong in being committed to something, Dorothy Day accepted the designation, even though she stayed with her commitment to Roman Catholicism and is now being considered as a saint), and others, especially criticisms from other Christians. God bless.
 
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@gallagher. I have reservations about calling myself a Christian Anarchist, because of the pejorative use of the word 'anarchy' by politicians, the media, and the general public. Also we have a tendency to set up any '-isms', capitalism, communism, anarchism, scientism, materialism, consumerism, monetarism, authoritarianism etc. etc. as our god, breaking one of God's Laws.
The apparent oxymoron in this title, Christian Anarchism, is easily dealt with, and there is ample discussion available on the Internet, but I think you have touched upon the simple truth. Only God (Jesus) holds supreme authority, and we have no reason to rely on authoritarianism which implies punishment, and God is not a punishing God. My interest in Christian Anarchism is founded upon my wish that we should all relinquish our dependence, and belief in its necessity, on authority as it is manifested in our corrupt, devil-controlled world, and therefore is authoritarianism. If we all turn to Jesus, stop going to established (authoritarian) Churches, join an intentional (see Wiki) community, then our dependence on civil government will disappear.
 
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Hello brother Norman70 what do you think about this. What you suggest might be helpful, if we just simply get the truth of the matter. We look to the Lord Jesus Christ as you suggest. He is the authority is all respects, it's funny how the world will do what it does due to the pride of life, the lust of the eyes, and all the desires of the flesh.

Personally, to tell you the truth, tv is something that I barely watch anymore. It's good to have self control to what you are being fed by the media and what not. Not to be lost without control and fear, angry, and anxiety. God didn't come to bring any of that to us, he came to bring us joy, peace, love.

Even the bible tells us to pray for the people who are in worldly authority. (Presidents, cops things of that nature), so what is the point in being mad when we can do nothing about it. Anarchy, Christian anarchy, with Christ Jesus as the Arch is the way to go. It even goes against the grain of the normative old ways that by doing things in a systematic way when it comes to church, and the Lord Jesus Christ brings us access to that freedom to be free, to love, forgive, pray, and be thankful, even though bad days come and go like storms and showers.
 
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Brother Agaĺlagher, you write all that I am in agreement with. I get angry about nothing now, when I was teaching I sometimes appeared angry with them, but inwardly I felt I was always in control. I constantly pray to God and ask Him to lead our leaders away from their worldly concerns and focus solely on Him.
 
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Biblically living in this world as an Anarchist if you are a Christian is an oxymoron.

Romans 13
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

1 Timothy 2
I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people--for kings and all those in authority--so that we may lead tranquil and quiet lives in all godliness and dignity.

Titus 3:1
Remind the believers to submit to rulers and authorities, to be obedient and ready for every good work,

1 Peter 2:13
Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether to the king as the supreme authority,

hope this helps !!!
 
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Brother Agaĺlagher, you write all that I am in agreement with. I get angry about nothing now, when I was teaching I sometimes appeared angry with them, but inwardly I felt I was always in control. I constantly pray to God and ask Him to lead our leaders away from their worldly concerns and focus solely on Him.

Brother norman, what is your testimony what brought you closer to God, and when was the first time you stumbled upon realizing that it was about relying on God rather than fallible man and the ways that they propose is the right way which led you to realizing about the notion of the term Christian Anarchy?

Biblically living in this world as an Anarchist if you are a Christian is an oxymoron.

Romans 13
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

1 Timothy 2
I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people--for kings and all those in authority--so that we may lead tranquil and quiet lives in all godliness and dignity.

Titus 3:1
Remind the believers to submit to rulers and authorities, to be obedient and ready for every good work,

1 Peter 2:13
Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether to the king as the supreme authority,

hope this helps !!!

Hello brother Jesusis, As a Christian Anarchist, you are right. We do submit to all of those things. Though we do not place our trust in men, is the main thing. We don't go out and destroy property, or say to heck with the government. We respect what God has in place though we do not worship men is the main thing. You can see the worship of Man in the break in the Capitol and the fleshly ways of desiring a kingdom and the pride of life, and lust of the eyes which the world provides for any person who desires the world more than God.

You can also see the worship of man when it comes to doctrines.
 
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I have had a go at Rom 13:1-7 twice now on this website. My most recent effort as a layman, I am no scholar, is in my latest entries in my blog, which is entitled Christian Anarchism. It is enough to say here that notable Christian Anarchists have no problem in tackling these Scriptures, and do so in a very scholarly way at the highest levels of theological interpretation.
 
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@Agallagher. I have a blog going here, I will look to see if I give any testimonial input. If not I will try to do so there. Very briefly, I experienced what I describe as a personal revelation in my early 30s to get me to know God exists, not just believe He does. My Christian walk afterwards was not good until I met my wife and we were married (in our 50s) in 1993.
 
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I have had a go at Rom 13:1-7 twice now on this website. My most recent effort as a layman, I am no scholar, is in my latest entries in my blog, which is entitled Christian Anarchism. It is enough to say here that notable Christian Anarchists have no problem in tackling these Scriptures, and do so in a very scholarly way at the highest levels of theological interpretation.
Even Jesus when He walked this earth was under Roman law. He was not hard on them at all just the religious elite who were selfish had their mind set on this world and not on the kingdom of God.

All the Apostles apart from John were martyred for their faith and so were the Christians by Nero in the colosseum with the lions, torture, crucifixion, burning them alive etc...........

They did not fight against the authorities in protest but their allegiance was to the gospel and sharing it with everyone. That was what they were about, not anarchism.

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@Agallagher. I have a blog going here, I will look to see if I give any testimonial input. If not I will try to do so there. Very briefly, I experienced what I describe as a personal revelation in my early 30s to get me to know God exists, not just believe He does. My Christian walk afterwards was not good until I met my wife and we were married (in our 50s) in 1993.

Norman you are 78 years old. You met your wife in your 50s? That is just plain awesome and gives me hope for one day finding wife that God would really desire me to have. She will most certainly be worth the wait assuredly. God does exist, we believe but for some of the believers they are able to know it!

If you were able to type of a testimony that would be so awesome to read. However did find your blog post! Glad you were able to get out of the hospital and your wife cared for you during that those hard agonizing trials. Thank you so much for your kindness, and speaking with me. May the spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ be with thy spirit, and grace be with you friend.
 
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Christian Anarchists do not fight, or fight back if we are challenged. We turn the other cheek. We give our shirt if our assailant takes our coat. We try not to get angry. If punished by worldly powers (We are not punished by God. He is not a punishing God. He is a God of love. Worldly punishments come from the devil.) we pray to God for strength to endure, and submit without a fight. I am sure this comes from the teachings of Jesus in His Sermon on the Mount. Jesus was an anarchist, not a political one but an anarchist all the same.
 
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Christian Anarchists do not fight, or fight back if we are challenged. We turn the other cheek. We give our shirt if our assailant takes our coat. We try not to get angry. If punished by worldly powers (We are not punished by God. He is not a punishing God. He is a God of love. Worldly punishments come from the devil.) we pray to God for strength to endure, and submit without a fight. I am sure this comes from the teachings of Jesus in His Sermon on the Mount. Jesus was an anarchist, not a political one but an anarchist all the same.

Amen brother Norman. It's so true when we are able to love others, and simply turn the other cheek and kick the dust off our feet and give it to God in prayer for those who hate us and despise us because of our different viewing ways of looking at things through Christ Jesus the Lord who lives in us who gives us a different perspective than what the world gives us, or even believing what other men say that we are wrong because our perspectives are different.

Even if men say we are wrong and they are believers too we should love and find unity in peace with the bond of the holy spirit that is given to each of us as believers. We are to bear one another in our faults as human beings, this is what love is all about, which has been my message this morning on the daily devotions section.

It also seems to me that the Lord Jesus Christ was not political in any manner for if he was to be a king of this earth then his servants would have fought. Jesus Christ was not political and he said that his kingdom was not of this earth but above.

Which is a great contrast in perspective looking at what Jesus Christ had said about that. This is why (in Colossians) somewhere it mentions I believe about setting our minds on heavenly things, and not on earthly things that pass away and rot. The heavenly things never pass away or rot, if we store our life there with relationship with God, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Thank you so much for talking Norman, and if there is something that you disagree with please point it out. For the past 4 years going on 5 years, God has brought me to this point that is now to love God, to Love our neighbours, and to pray and ask God for help in times of need, and to watch over the people who come and go out of my own life.
 
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