400 Silent Years between the Prophets and the Coming of Christ?

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When I was a Protestant we spoke of the “400 years of silence” between the last of the OT prophets (Malachi) and the coming of Jesus. Is that correct? I was asked this question earlier today.


I have been enjoying The Chosen TV series, ever since I saw an article where Dr. Janet Smith gave it a good recommendation. Their Christmas special mentioned “400 years of silence” before Jesus was born. A singer named Chris Tomlin sang a song on this special which mentioned this same 400 years of silence. I have never heard of this concept in Catholic circles. Is this 400 years taking into account the Books of Maccabees? Maybe the Maccabean times are not considered prophecies, strictly speaking.

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Regarding the 400 silent years — you rarely hear this terminology in Catholic circles or in Catholic books and documents. I believe this is mainly a Protestant idea. Since they discarded the seven Deutero-canonical books, mostly written in Greek and some fitting in during the “400 years of silence” before the coming of John the Baptist, the Protestants have a big gap in their Bibles and in the story of salvation.

As a popular Protestant commentary says,


After some four hundred years of silence and absence, the Holy One of Israel had again come to his people. About four centuries had passed since the voice of Malachi, the last of the prophets, had been heard. ( H. D. M. Spence-Jones, ed., St. Luke, vol. 1, The Pulpit Commentary (London; New York: Funk & Wagnalls Company, 1909), 11.)

There is an assumption that God was not only silent but even absent.

The last prophet was Malachi and he prophesied from about 420-397 BC. After him, there was no prophet speaking God’s word publically until John the Baptist appeared on the scene as the last of the OT prophets and the first of the NT prophets.

This is mentioned also by Dr. Peter Kreeft, but interestingly, this is the only Catholic reference I could find to the “four hundred years of silence” in over 15,000 resources in my Catholic software Verbum.


John would not appear for over four hundred years. Malachi is apparently the last Old Testament prophet—unless Daniel was written much later than the rabbinic tradition has believed. He is followed by four hundred years of silence from God. The silence was broken by John the Baptist’s voice quoting Isaiah 40:3 (Mt 3:3). Jesus called John the greatest of the prophets (Mt 11:11). Malachi may have been the closest to him in time. He is at least the closest to him in the pages of the Bible. (Peter Kreeft, You Can Understand the Bible: A Practical Guide to Each Book in the Bible (San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 2005), 160.)

So from this standpoint, there were no public prophets speaking to Israel like Isaiah, Jeremiah or Malachi during those 400 years, but as the seven books of the Deutero-canon demonstrate, it is clear God was still at work with the people of Israel and therefore not silent nor absent.

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When I was a Protestant we spoke of the “400 years of silence” between the last of the OT prophets (Malachi) and the coming of Jesus. Is that correct? I was asked this question earlier today.


I have been enjoying The Chosen TV series, ever since I saw an article where Dr. Janet Smith gave it a good recommendation. Their Christmas special mentioned “400 years of silence” before Jesus was born. A singer named Chris Tomlin sang a song on this special which mentioned this same 400 years of silence. I have never heard of this concept in Catholic circles. Is this 400 years taking into account the Books of Maccabees? Maybe the Maccabean times are not considered prophecies, strictly speaking.

Here is how I answered:

Regarding the 400 silent years — you rarely hear this terminology in Catholic circles or in Catholic books and documents. I believe this is mainly a Protestant idea. Since they discarded the seven Deutero-canonical books, mostly written in Greek and some fitting in during the “400 years of silence” before the coming of John the Baptist, the Protestants have a big gap in their Bibles and in the story of salvation.

As a popular Protestant commentary says,


After some four hundred years of silence and absence, the Holy One of Israel had again come to his people. About four centuries had passed since the voice of Malachi, the last of the prophets, had been heard. ( H. D. M. Spence-Jones, ed., St. Luke, vol. 1, The Pulpit Commentary (London; New York: Funk & Wagnalls Company, 1909), 11.)

There is an assumption that God was not only silent but even absent.

The last prophet was Malachi and he prophesied from about 420-397 BC. After him, there was no prophet speaking God’s word publically until John the Baptist appeared on the scene as the last of the OT prophets and the first of the NT prophets.

This is mentioned also by Dr. Peter Kreeft, but interestingly, this is the only Catholic reference I could find to the “four hundred years of silence” in over 15,000 resources in my Catholic software Verbum.


John would not appear for over four hundred years. Malachi is apparently the last Old Testament prophet—unless Daniel was written much later than the rabbinic tradition has believed. He is followed by four hundred years of silence from God. The silence was broken by John the Baptist’s voice quoting Isaiah 40:3 (Mt 3:3). Jesus called John the greatest of the prophets (Mt 11:11). Malachi may have been the closest to him in time. He is at least the closest to him in the pages of the Bible. (Peter Kreeft, You Can Understand the Bible: A Practical Guide to Each Book in the Bible (San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 2005), 160.)

So from this standpoint, there were no public prophets speaking to Israel like Isaiah, Jeremiah or Malachi during those 400 years, but as the seven books of the Deutero-canon demonstrate, it is clear God was still at work with the people of Israel and therefore not silent nor absent.

400 Silent Years between the Prophets and the Coming of Christ? | Defenders of the Catholic Faith | Hosted by Stephen K. Ray

I always thought 600 years...but I can be wrong.

But John the Baptist wasn't next prophet...

Old guy and old woman at the Temple were the next ones... remember the ones who prophesied over Jesus' dedication at the Temple just before they died?

Then there's Elizabeth's prophecy which today is recited by Catholics regularly. AKA "Hail Mary"

Holy Spirit was busting loose everywhere.
 
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When I was a Protestant we spoke of the “400 years of silence” between the last of the OT prophets (Malachi) and the coming of Jesus. Is that correct? I was asked this question earlier today.


I have been enjoying The Chosen TV series, ever since I saw an article where Dr. Janet Smith gave it a good recommendation. Their Christmas special mentioned “400 years of silence” before Jesus was born. A singer named Chris Tomlin sang a song on this special which mentioned this same 400 years of silence. I have never heard of this concept in Catholic circles. Is this 400 years taking into account the Books of Maccabees? Maybe the Maccabean times are not considered prophecies, strictly speaking.

Here is how I answered:

Regarding the 400 silent years — you rarely hear this terminology in Catholic circles or in Catholic books and documents. I believe this is mainly a Protestant idea. Since they discarded the seven Deutero-canonical books, mostly written in Greek and some fitting in during the “400 years of silence” before the coming of John the Baptist, the Protestants have a big gap in their Bibles and in the story of salvation.

As a popular Protestant commentary says,


After some four hundred years of silence and absence, the Holy One of Israel had again come to his people. About four centuries had passed since the voice of Malachi, the last of the prophets, had been heard. ( H. D. M. Spence-Jones, ed., St. Luke, vol. 1, The Pulpit Commentary (London; New York: Funk & Wagnalls Company, 1909), 11.)

To be fair - Josephus in the first century also mentions it and it appears that way in the Hebrew Bible. So I am not certain that Protestants can claim all the credit for pointing to those 400 years that way.
 
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To be fair - Josephus in the first century also mentions it and it appears that way in the Hebrew Bible. So I am not certain that Protestants can claim all the credit for pointing to those 400 years that way.

The devout Jews always consider Josephus a traitor. LOL... because he explains the law of the Old Testament and has a Greek name.
 
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The devout Jews always consider Josephus a traitor. LOL... because he explains the law of the Old Testament and has a Greek name.

Do devout Jews have the Hebrew Bible in use at the time that Josephus was writing? I suspect they do.
 
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Do devout Jews have the Hebrew Bible in use at the time that Josephus was writing? I suspect they do.
Yes...they call it the Tenakh.
Which stands for Law of Moses, the prophets, Wisdom books, History and the Psalms.
I think that they condense it even more but I can't remember exactly how...if only I was a Messianic Jews that had taken the classes to become Barmitzvah-ed I would remember better. But the word "Tenakh" is a Hebrew anagram for the parts.
 
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The 400 silent years is supported fairly well by Jesus. In Matthew 23:35 he says:
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

Many say this is where Jesus listed the Old Testament book ends with the two murders. Given this, the deuterocan's would not be listed given the order of the Hebrew Old Testament, thus 400 silent years. It's possible that is what Jesus was doing - is sure looks like it anyway. And Jerome did not want to put the deuterocanonical books in the Vulgate originally, which would support the 400 silent years as well.
 
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The 400 silent years is supported fairly well by Jesus. In Matthew 23:35 he says:
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

Many say this is where Jesus listed the Old Testament book ends with the two murders. Given this, the deuterocan's would not be listed given the order of the Hebrew Old Testament, thus 400 silent years. It's possible that is what Jesus was doing - is sure looks like it anyway. And Jerome did not want to put the deuterocanonical books in the Vulgate originally, which would support the 400 silent years as well.

A lot of people don't agree on the Apocrypha...where there are obvious inaccuracies of historical events I still find them interesting in setting the stage for the coming Messiah.
Inclusion as scriptures? No.
Inclusion as important? Yes...
But many other books and writings are important too. So which ones should be included and in which fashion?
And that's where the trouble begins...at the first instance of inclusion it was "all they had". Today we have a much more extensive library that is more accurate than Maccabees.
 
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From what I have read we don't loose much if you don't include the Apocrypha - possibly some support for Indulgences.

Sure you do. You lose hanukkah, history, and other things. Just because you protestants use a bible that was put together by those who hated Christ doesn't mean that not have the book that you all ripped out are worthless,
 
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I notice you no longer identify as Catholic Markie Boy. When did that happen?

A bit ago, not sure. I am convinced that there is no way I can approve of the doctrine of the Papacy as it is today, nor papal infallibility. I have read plenty of history on it, and it just doesn't float. It's not how the church ran the first 1,000 years, and Orthodoxy is proof of this being rejected earlier than the reformation.

I will no longer debate these issues, but I have a feeling it's just a matter of time until the Vatican causes more people to ask this question.

I just happened to check in, but won't be back to discuss. Take no offense please, not wanting to be disrespectful.
 
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A bit ago, not sure. I am convinced that there is no way I can approve of the doctrine of the Papacy as it is today, nor papal infallibility. I have read plenty of history on it, and it just doesn't float. It's not how the church ran the first 1,000 years, and Orthodoxy is proof of this being rejected earlier than the reformation.

I will no longer debate these issues, but I have a feeling it's just a matter of time until the Vatican causes more people to ask this question.

I just happened to check in, but won't be back to discuss. Take no offense please, not wanting to be disrespectful.
Prayers you find your spiritual home Markie Boy.
 
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