Parallels of abortion and slavery...meme format

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If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? -- 1 John 4

If someone says they love the unborn, whom they cannot see, but is cold towards those already born who are right before them, that person is a liar.

Anyone who would try to liken a mother's relationship with her body/unborn child with the ownership of slaves, obviously has no connection with or sympathy for those involved or connected to slavery.

It is unwise, to use the pain of a race of people to further your personal moral agendas.

98cwitr said:

The reciprocal is true as well: How can one claim to care for those they can see, but delight in the evil of seeing the unborn murdered?

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That's not what the scripture says, however, nor can one say that the reverse of scripture is true. You really want to try to exercise that technique across scripture?

While slavery and abortion are two completely different things the arguments used to justify either of them is quite similiar.

"It's none of your business", "If you don't agree just don't do it", "It's MY property" are just wanna-be-arguments which ignore God's authority on the subject.

From an atheistic POV it may look humane or beneficial to get rid of unwanted babies, but when you believe in the allmighty Creator of Life who says that children are His gift (Ps 127:3) then it is simply arrogant, even cocky, to think that anyone of us has the right to end the life of unborn children.

I would say there are technical differences but also similarities between American slavery and abortion.

According to one source I read > The Lunatic Express > slave traders would give guns to members of a tribe and have them attack a village of a different tribe and take slaves. The traders did not get themselves killed, doing that. There was fighting and killing involved during the attacks. The attackers got killed, too; so that after a while the attackers' villages would not have enough men to take care of their women and children. However there were strong tribes whose leaders saw through all that; they were tough enough not to give in to attacks, plus they knew better than to waste their warriors in slave raiding. Meanwhile, others did fool themselves into going along with the traders; and then I see it is possible how ones fooled themselves into getting so many killed in fighting to continue slavery and their bigotry >

Ones seem to so treasure their feeling of superiority, that they are willing to kill and get their own children killed in order to maintain it, of all things.

And the captured villagers would be marched a long way, while carrying heavy elephant tusks. Ones would die; others would make it to the ships.

So, there was murder and degradation of village cultures involved, back in Africa, in order to get slaves to the United States. May be a number of southerners did not know that, if it is true. After all, people are not all alike.

But I see that there can be feeling of superiority and cultural degradation connected with abortion. Ones can discriminate against unwed pregnant women so the women can feel desperate to get rid of the shame. Ones have even used coat hangers to try to kill their unborn, and have themselves bled to death. So, fear of losing acceptance can turn a person into a killer, even suicidal. But we see no laws against discriminating against unwed pregnant women, as far as I know.

There remains a culture of how certain unloving people can hold a woman's acceptance hostage, in order to get her to meet their demand that she kill her own unborn with whom she could learn how to love while she discovers who really loves her. Unsure love, then, could be part of America's main security problem, because of what ones can do when they are not sure of having love. Abortion could be just one symptom of how many citizens do not know how to love.

And when people do not love ones of another group, they can become capable of killing those people > maybe Africans, or the unborn. The solution, then, is not only social reform. Outward conforming can not make us love the way Jesus desires. But our example can help, while we each seek God's real correction so we are not merely performing some do-it-ourselves thing of just changing our gestures.

Friedrich Rubinstein said:

While slavery and abortion are two completely different things the arguments used to justify either of them is quite similiar.

"It's none of your business", "If you don't agree just don't do it", "It's MY property" are just wanna-be-arguments which ignore God's authority on the subject.

From an atheistic POV it may look humane or beneficial to get rid of unwanted babies, but when you believe in the allmighty Creator of Life who says that children are His gift (Ps 127:3) then it is simply arrogant, even cocky, to think that anyone of us has the right to end the life of unborn children.

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Except in abortion, a mother in harming their own unborn fetus.....and in slavery masters are enslaving all the children of a singular race of people because they think them inferior. These are other people's children, not their own.

there is somewhat of a difference.

Abortion affect every race.....why not make an analogy that negatively affects every race as well?

RDKirk said:

That's not what the scripture says, however, nor can one say that the reverse of scripture is true. You really want to try to exercise that technique across scripture?

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I'm curious why your arguing for abortion... it actually and truly disproportionately affects minority populations, which is by design.

RDKirk said:

If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? -- 1 John 4

If someone says they love the unborn, whom they cannot see, but is cold towards those already born who are right before them, that person is a liar.

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How can you love someone and not do everything possible to save them?

98cwitr said:

The reciprocal is true as well: How can one claim to care for those they can see, but delight in the evil of seeing the unborn murdered?

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I don't believe people understand the meaning of love anymore. For me it means actually caring about them being saved and having a place in heaven.

Hazelelponi said:

I'm curious why your arguing for abortion... it actually and truly disproportionately affects minority populations, which is by design.

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So since you believe it affect minorities more.......you believe the argument "If abortion is ok then slavery should be ok too" is a just argument with the sole purpose of saving the unborn?

Hazelelponi said:

I'm curious why your arguing for abortion... it actually and truly disproportionately affects minority populations, which is by design.

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I believe that we would have to combine black women, hispanic women, and "other" women for the number of abortions to be higher than that of "white women."

Slavery, i believe, mainly affected african americans. Again, I do not see a good reason to liken abortion, to the enslavement, rape, abuse, murder of black men, women and children. As if all of the people who suffered during that time is worth no more than one fertilized egg.

I wonder if we would also think it just to play around with the suffering of the jew during the holocaust? Would it be as ease to make up fake scenarios justifying the killing of the jews , during that time, as it is to play around with justifying slavery?

And if not......Why?

98cwitr said:

The reciprocal is true as well: How can one claim to care for those they can see, but delight in the evil of seeing the unborn murdered?

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No one “delights” in abortion. If the truth is on your side, there is no need to make stuff up.

98cwitr said:

Not true. I've seen "celebrating my abortion" posts on social media.

Would you like examples?

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Sure. What aspect of abortion do you think people delight in? The cost? The pain? Having to take time off for a medical procedure? The judgement? I’d really like to know what exactly you think delights us.

98cwitr said:

Not true. I've seen "celebrating my abortion" posts on social media.

Would you like examples?

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Were these post from african american women? Is this why you felt it right to post messages that say slavery is right to prove moral points or give moral lessons?

Are your posts ok while theirs are not?