How's that working for you, so far?
Not really. It's about why your God in particular.Not mine. God's. This is a moral relativism vs moral objectivism argument. If one does not believe God is then moral relativism is an easy pill to swallow. If one does believe God is it becomes much more difficult.
Right? So how are you going to do it? Most abortions these days are by pill, using pharmaceuticals legally available for other purposes and which the woman may already have on hand. What's your plan? To just execute those few you can catch and hope that it will have discouraging effect on the others?Repeal Roe, constitutional amendment to protect a baby with a heart beat. MAP as a loophole solution for rape/incest/etc, criminalize abortion procedures as murder.
I haven't seen much "nuance." For example,Texas lawmakers consider death penalty for women who get abortionsThe "movement" is nuanced and has a spectrum of opinions on the matter. You'd need to ask both the leaders of each org, and those involved.
It's best to soft-pedal that sort of thing. The pro-life movement already has a rep for not caring so much about dead babies as for using capital punishment to regulate the sex live of women.It's interrelated. No need to pigeonhole the argument.
But your sides isn't not caring about the born.Because Christ commanded us to.
Not really. It's about why your God in particular.
Right? So how are you going to do it? Most abortions these days are by pill, using pharmaceuticals legally available for other purposes and which the woman may already have on hand. What's your plan? To just execute those few you can catch and hope that it will have discouraging effect on the others?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...death-penalty-women-who-get-abortions-n993171I haven't seen much "nuance." For example,Texas lawmakers consider death penalty for women who get abortions
It's best to soft-pedal that sort of thing. The pro-life movement already has a rep for not caring so much about dead babies as for using capital punishment to regulate the sex live of women.
But your sides isn't not caring about the born.
Abstain from sexual immorality...problem goes away with zero costs to anyone.
Do you have an example of that being put into practice and drastically reducing the abortion rate in a state? Because there is an example of birth control provision doing that.
Remove the state involvement and say that a private group is in charge of the program, do you have an example of the "just say no", abstinence, what have you program being implemented and showing a wide spread reduction in the abortion rate?Your looking for a secular answer, framed in a secular context, which really requires a changing of individuals' mindsets. This is the real goal; to place the human nature, that is from God and of God, back on the unborn.
This is for parents to do with their children, for churches to do with their congregation, and for peers to encourage among their own. Bottomline, it's on us, not the state.
Because of BC and COVID-19. Also people can get the abortion pill over the internet.Why is that?
"Black lives matter" needs to be said because of systemic racism.
"Fetal lives matter" needs to be said because of another "ism". Some people do not see life in the womb as equal status to life beyond the womb. For lake of a better word, "anti-fetalist".
And yet, somehow "fetal" can dehumanize a bit. It is any mammal in the womb.
Anyway. Black lives, unborn lives, two very different "isms".
Remove the state involvement and say that a private group is in charge of the program, do you have an example of the "just say no", abstinence, what have you program being implemented and showing a wide spread reduction in the abortion rate?
Don’t get me wrong I’m aware of what a terrible place America can be for black people.
I was more confused because the implication was if one problem is not addressed the other one should not be.
Why not both?
Non answer is a non answer.The Church is that program. To get you that metric, we'd have to remove the Church and watch the results. God won't let that happen.
Cite?
(Make BC free. Problem goes away.)
Yes there is a time when we many agree that a fetus in the womb has become a baby, a person. But before that, there's no agreement at all. I think most abortions take place well before a baby in the womb could leap for joy.For other people:
John 13:34
“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
John 15:12
My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.
For children:
Isaiah 44:2
This is what the Lord says— he who made you, who formed you in the womb, and who will help you: Do not be afraid, Jacob, my servant, Jeshurun, whom I have chosen.
Isaiah 44:24
“This is what the Lord says— your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the Lord, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself,
Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
Luke 1:44
As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.
Thus;
Genesis 9:6
New International Version
6 “Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans shall their blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made mankind.
Clear 1st Century church teaching to abstain from abortion:
Didache 2:1-2
And the second commandment of the Teaching; You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, Exodus 20:13-14 you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, Exodus 20:15 you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is begotten
I think the state would pay.How would that work? Are the pharmaceutical companies going to give it away for free? Are their employees going to work for free. Are they going to somehow get their necessary materials and utilities for free? I don’t see how this would be a viable solution.
What @durangodawood said.How would that work? Are the pharmaceutical companies going to give it away for free? Are their employees going to work for free. Are they going to somehow get their necessary materials and utilities for free? I don’t see how this would be a viable solution.