RBC recently advertises a gay couple

Hazelelponi said:

Do you think that calling them derogatory names like "perverts", and comparing them to "maggots on meat" is really showing them a Christ they'd want anything to do with?

Christ, our perfect example, prayed "Father forgive them for they know not what they do" right after he was unjustly tortured and right before he was murdered without cause...

That is our perfect example of love... it is our job to embody that, through the power of the Holy Spirit. And while we may sometimes fall short, it is an example by which we receive life, and others also. That is the truth.

Therefore I ask again, do you think your words invite? Or repell?

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You use nicer words but is your massage really any different?

Aussie Pete said:

Have you been living under a rock?

Gay Rights

If you read the article, you will see that it goes back to 1924 at least.

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"In 1924, Henry Gerber, a German immigrant, founded in Chicago the Society for Human Rights..."

This guy was truly sick, i mean promoting the idea that gays were human ... how disgusting

SilverBear said:

the only flaw or disease i see is your personal bigotry.

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It's not bigotry to live by our religious faith and convictions.

"Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. On account of these, God's wrath is coming" Colossians 3:5-6

We are to guard our eyes:

"I will not set before my eyes anything that is worthless. I hate the work of those who fall away; it shall not cling to me." Psalms 101:3

And set our minds on the things above:

"Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth." Colossians 3:2

Ever heard the term "you are what you eat"? The same goes for what we put into our minds. When we are inundated with images of sin, you become comfortable with it, start thinking of it as if it's no big deal, and as Christians being comfortable with sin is not an option.

Certainly we don't want to treat others as if they are beyond saving or something, no one is beyond God no matter how big the sin, nor do we want to be a barrier between a man and the Gospel of Salvation, but we can't treat sin, as Christians, as if sin doesn't matter because it very much does matter to God.

We were saved from the law, but also to it.

SilverBear said:

You use nicer words but is your massage really any different?

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I was a horrible sinner before I was saved, the Bible tells us I was dead in my sins and trespasses and an enemy of God.

I know my innermost self before a holy God and absolutely agree with this assessment... but that sin state has nothing to do with being a "good person" by the world's standards. Most people think well, all you need is to be generally good, yet before God's Holiness none can stand without a Savior, who did for us what we can't do for ourselves.

So is it different, yes, because I'm pointing to God in truth, and man in truth and not just cherry picking pet sins to be against. Everyone needs a Savior to stand on the Day of Judgement.

Hazelelponi said:

It's not bigotry to live by our religious faith and convictions.

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but wishing for a future where you don't have to deal with minorities is bigotry
saying a world without gay is a "A pure and clean world" is bigotry
saying gays can't possibly be happy is bigotry
calling any minority unnatural is bigotry
calling minorities flaws or mistakes or diseased is bigotry

Wrapping hate in bible verses is bigotry

Bigotry condemns fringe thinking and minorities but apparently it also condemns 74 million who happen to think differently and tries to silence them. Man is evil no matter which side he is on.

SilverBear said:

but wishing for a future where you don't have to deal with minorities is bigotry
saying a world without gay is a "A pure and clean world" is bigotry
saying gays can't possibly be happy is bigotry
calling any minority unnatural is bigotry
calling minorities flaws or mistakes or diseased is bigotry

Wrapping hate in bible verses is bigotry

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Wishing for a world without any sin in any form is what is pure - and thats not bigotry nor does it have anything to do with "minorities" as we desire to overcome sin in our own flesh too.... and we will enjoy that in the world to come, when God wipes every tear from our eyes.

To believe in truth that anyone would be happier saved than unsaved is not bigotry; we are inviting into a relationship with God. Salvation is reconciliation with our God...

timothyu said:

Bigotry condemns fringe thinking and minorities but apparently it also condemns 74 million who happen to think differently and tries to silence them.

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I Just did a google search and found 10 pages of videos, posted on social media, claiming that conservative voices are being silenced on social media.

10 pages.

Maybe someone here can watch as many of those videos as possible, and maybe after watching 50 or so of them, could explain to the rest of us how the existence of those videos proves those conservative voices, heard loud and clear in those videos, have been silenced, because for me, I can't make that math work.

conservative voices being silenced - Google Search

Reminds of this classic Monty Python line.....

Interesting you would seek out a silencer to seek out silencing. Btw I said both sides are guilty.

Still can't make the math work...

Hazelelponi said:

Wishing for a world without any sin in any form is what is pure - and thats not bigotry nor does it have anything to do with "minorities" as we desire to overcome sin in our own flesh too.... and we will enjoy that in the world to come, when God wipes every tear from our eyes.

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except the world being wished for is one free of minorities

To believe in truth that anyone would be happier saved than unsaved is not bigotry; we are inviting into a relationship with God. Salvation is reconciliation with our God...

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wishing for a future where you don't have to deal with minorities is bigotry
saying a world without gay is a "A pure and clean world" is bigotry
saying gays can't possibly be happy is bigotry
calling any minority unnatural is bigotry
calling minorities flaws or mistakes or diseased is bigotry

Wrapping hate in bible verses is bigotry

Intolerance of the intolerant is bigotry.

timothyu said:

Intolerance of the intolerant is bigotry.

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Bigotry is intolerance toward people who are different this is different from an intolerance towards opinions or beliefs

SilverBear said:

except the world being wished for is one free of minorities


wishing for a future where you don't have to deal with minorities is bigotry
saying a world without gay is a "A pure and clean world" is bigotry
saying gays can't possibly be happy is bigotry
calling any minority unnatural is bigotry
calling minorities flaws or mistakes or diseased is bigotry

Wrapping hate in bible verses is bigotry

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Sin is not "minorities"... according to your logic wishing that psychopaths would come to a saving faith in God and stop sinning would be considered bigotry against minorities... sins are actions, not people, people engage in sin, but through the New Birth in Christ can also stop doing them.

Sins are actions that oppose Gods plan, expose ones enmity against God, and enmity against man... wishing for a world without sin where man's very heart is new and he is reconciled with God has not even one thing to do with "minorities" or "bigotry"...

Just because you can manage to see the difference is seriously not our problem.

Hazelelponi said:

"The New Beginning Initiative is a coalition of expert organizations, coordinated by the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, working for concrete federal administration policy and regulatory changes benefitting the lives of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people and eliminating discrimination from federal policies."

A different kind of lobbying - winning through the executive branch - National LGBTQ Task Force

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I think this is what we christians need to do, create some sort of "christian rights" lobby group similar to gay rights group. Only since we as the OP points out at 67% would be much much bigger. The gay lobby has affected everything from our schools to ads like this. We should take it back. As christians we are used to selfless giving. Can you imagine how well financed a christian lobby would be?

marc b said:

I think this is what we christians need to do, create some sort of "christian rights" lobby group similar to gay rights group. Only since we as the OP points out at 67% would be much much bigger. The gay lobby has affected everything from our schools to ads like this. We should take it back. As christians we are used to selfless giving. Can you imagine how well financed a christian lobby would be?

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Lol, just shows how naive i am. I googled and found there are lots of christian lobby groups already. At least i don't have to start one ha! I'm going to "edumacate" myself, select one, and support them with $. Time well spent i guess instead of just fussing and not doing anything. I'm very pragmatic this way.

ViaCrucis said:

But Daniel 11:37 isn't talking about a future antichrist. Daniel 11:37 is talking Aniochus IV Epiphanes, the ruler of the Seleucid Empire. The conflict between the king of the north and king of the south is the historical conflict between the Seleucids and Ptolemies in a series of conflicts known as the Syrian Wars.

Syrian Wars - Wikipedia

Note the title which Antiochus IV was titled, Ἐπιφανής (Epiphanes), a surname he took upon himself to declare his own "manifest" divinity. Therefore he, "did not regard the god(s) of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god" all three of these are references to pagan gods.

"the gods of his fathers" -- probably the Greek pantheon.
"the desire of women" -- probably a reference to the cult of Tammuz
"nor regard any god" -- self explanatory

-CryptoLutheran

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In Daniel 11:36 -45 the time period changes in verse 40 it is seen that Daniel is speaking of end times "At the time of the end " verse 40 begins

The King of the North in Daniel 11:36-45 is the same as Paul's man of sin in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

“Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done.

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

marc b said:

...The gay lobby has affected everything from our schools to ads like this. We should take it back. As christians we are used to selfless giving. Can you imagine how well financed a christian lobby would be?

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We have seen the effects of a well-financed Christian lobby for the last four years. It didn't turn out so well. Politicization of religion seldom does.

seeking.IAM said:

We have seen the effects of a well-financed Christian lobby for the last four years. It didn't turn out so well. Politicization of religion seldom does.

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It's not politicalization that is bad, but extremism. Extremism whether you're christian left right (or muslim) is just plain bad.

On the other hand as christians, we can no longer deny ourselves the same instruments the gays have so succesfully used against us. It's been working really well for them, so why not simply wrestle the same weapon and point it back at them? We are the larger population and we are used to giving. But while we gave to help everybody else, they gave to attack us. I think it's time to redirect a bit of that to protect us so we can continue Gods work don't you agree?

marc b said:

...I think it's time to redirect a bit of that to protect us so we can continue Gods work don't you agree?

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What exactly is it from which we need to be protected? Is it being protected from seeing images of gay people as if they don't exist or protected from them having the same rights we do? I just don't see a threat to me as a Christian or a married straight man. How about we live and let live?