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Yeah so much better than bread lines .
We don't even have a top quality of life here in America , check out our military though . When your military cost is more than the next 7 top military cost combined something is wrong. Capitalism as we have it here in America is a joke .
We've been lied to , we aren't the best nation for the little people /working class .1st in health care cost 37th in health care , not even top 10 in quality of life.. we work more and die younger .For profit prisons . You can lose your house if you get sick to have to pay for ridiculously high medical cost.

No one calling for straight socialism. Democratic socialism . Yes there's a difference .
People ignore that to try to make some kind of point but it only shows they don't know what it actually is.. they've just been told it's a bad word and fall for it
 
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. We programed in the states to treat socialism as a dirty word here. There's plenty countries where democratic socialism is successful .
And countless more countries which socialism has destroyed.
As @Aussie Pete pointed out Adolph Hitler's Nazi Party were socialists, The full name, gives the clue, The National Socialist German Worker's Party. ie. The Nazis were all socialist workers.
Venezuela, Cuba, Soviet Russia, China, Vietnam, and many more, all basket cases.
Socialism was the biggest cause of slaughter in the 20century, either by military conflict, or mass murder or starvation of its own people.
"Socialism is the leading man-made cause of death and misery in human existence."
DAVID HARSANYI
Capitalism overrated and is exploiting the little man. No way around it.
That is such a blind and ignorant statement. Without capitalism countries invariably starve or go bankrupt.
The majority of businesses are not big corporates, but what are called SMEs, ie. Small and Medium Enterprises.
These are usually people who start small, working for themselves, and gradually employing one or two others while they build up their business to employ more.

It might be a small engineering company, or a window cleaning business.

The people running these businesses very often have to mortgage their houses for cash to start their business or to pay wages. They endure sleepless nights when times are hard. They can't afford to take proper wages out of the business, and they are always at risk of losing everything, including the family home when it goes wrong.

Meanwhile, the staff go home at night with no risk.

I know because that was me (and many more I knew likewise).
For the first 11 years of my business,my wife and I jointly took less pay out of the business than our lowest paid member of staff!
And fools accuse people like us of exploitation.

Where do governments get the money in the treasury from? Taxation of course.
Who pays that tax? Everyone of course!

Not true. Although people who work for the state, such as teachers, civil servants, politicians, street cleaners, policemen, judges etc. all appear to pay tax, where do their wages originate?
Such people are paid with cash from the local or national treasury.
So if that treasury pays $10,000 to a worker, and demands 25% $2500 back in tax, how much does that tax payment add to the treasury?
The answer is obvious that such a worker causes no gain but a net loss to that treasury of $7500.
In other words, public workers are a drain and contribute nothing to the treasury.

The only people who contribute to the treasury are capitalist pigs like me who employed people and paid them wages, from which that tax money came!

But it's not just things like the above.
The very principle of socialism is deeply offensive to God and his laws!

No matter what they pretend, Socialism is entirely based on the sins of envy and coveting other people's goods or wealth.

Socialism tells people,
"Look at that rich man over there, if you vote for us, we will take that man's money and give it to you!"

Socialism tells people,
"Look at that rich man over their, you are poor because he has taken all your money!"

No christian should be pursuing socialism, any more than they should pursue theft.
 
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Dude no one wants complete socialism. And many of those people who do not work...can not work. The haves do, do not want to help the have nots...by the way that is one Christ's biggest rules...helping the have nots...you actually can not get into heaven if your a have and ignore the have nots...Luke 16:19–31. And the most hilarious thing all those socialist programs the conservatives hate...when life hits them and the lose everything...there the first in line looking for a handout. This is how most country work capitalist socialism...a combination of both.
You may not get the choice. Strict Socialism is on the rise. It's a tempting philosophy that has proven to be a danger to personal freedom, especially for Christians. China is the perfect example. People's lives have improved dramatically while Christians are more persecuted than ever. The ultimate expression is North Korea.

In Jesus' day, it was expected that families would take care of their less fortunate dependents. One major problem was the harsh taxes imposed by Rome. Most Jews lived pretty well. Some were very rich, at the expense of the poor. Nothing new under the sun.....

To balance the argument, Paul stated that if an individual was not prepared to work, neither should he eat!

Australia spends around 30% of its budget on welfare. We have stupid programs for people claiming to be Aborigines. If you have any Aborigine genes, you qualify for subsidies, even if the person in no way lives like an Aborigine. Wherever there is government money available someone will rort the system. It's not government money, it's the taxes extracted from people who actually work for a living.

It used to be that the Church was the defender and provider for the poor and needy. Increasingly, governments have pushed the church out to the fringes and so we have less opportunity to help. Who needs God when you have Social Security?
 
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And countless more countries which socialism has destroyed.
As @Aussie Pete pointed out Adolph Hitler's Nazi Party were socialists, The full name, gives the clue, The National Socialist German Worker's Party. ie. The Nazis were all socialist workers.
Venezuela, Cuba, Soviet Russia, China, Vietnam, and many more, all basket cases.
Socialism was the biggest cause of slaughter in the 20century, either by military conflict, or mass murder or starvation of its own people.
"Socialism is the leading man-made cause of death and misery in human existence."
DAVID HARSANYI

That is such a blind and ignorant statement. Without capitalism countries invariably starve or go bankrupt.
The majority of businesses are not big corporates, but what are called SMEs, ie. Small and Medium Enterprises.
These are usually people who start small, working for themselves, and gradually employing one or two others while they build up their business to employ more.

It might be a small engineering company, or a window cleaning business.

The people running these businesses very often have to mortgage their houses for cash to start their business or to pay wages. They endure sleepless nights when times are hard. They can't afford to take proper wages out of the business, and they are always at risk of losing everything, including the family home when it goes wrong.

Meanwhile, the staff go home at night with no risk.

I know because that was me (and many more I knew likewise).
For the first 11 years of my business,my wife and I jointly took less pay out of the business than our lowest paid member of staff!
And fools accuse people like us of exploitation.

Where do governments get the money in the treasury from? Taxation of course.
Who pays that tax? Everyone of course!

Not true. Although people who work for the state, such as teachers, civil servants, politicians, street cleaners, policemen, judges etc. all appear to pay tax, where do their wages originate?
Such people are paid with cash from the local or national treasury.
So if that treasury pays $10,000 to a worker, and demands 25% $2500 back in tax, how much does that tax payment add to the treasury?
The answer is obvious that such a worker causes no gain but a net loss to that treasury of $7500.
In other words, public workers are a drain and contribute nothing to the treasury.

The only people who contribute to the treasury are capitalist pigs like me who employed people and paid them wages, from which that tax money came!

But it's not just things like the above.
The very principle of socialism is deeply offensive to God and his laws!

No matter what they pretend, Socialism is entirely based on the sins of envy and coveting other people's goods or wealth.

Socialism tells people,
"Look at that rich man over there, if you vote for us, we will take that man's money and give it to you!"

Socialism tells people,
"Look at that rich man over their, you are poor because he has taken all your money!"

No christian should be pursuing socialism, any more than they should pursue theft.
Well said. The poor need help but not to remain dependent on welfare for life. The hard line socialists detest that concept, of course.
 
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And countless more countries which socialism has destroyed.
As @Aussie Pete pointed out Adolph Hitler's Nazi Party were socialists, The full name, gives the clue, The National Socialist German Worker's Party. ie. The Nazis were all socialist workers.
Venezuela, Cuba, Soviet Russia, China, Vietnam, and many more, all basket cases.
Socialism was the biggest cause of slaughter in the 20century, either by military conflict, or mass murder or starvation of its own people.
"Socialism is the leading man-made cause of death and misery in human existence."
DAVID HARSANYI

That is such a blind and ignorant statement. Without capitalism countries invariably starve or go bankrupt.
The majority of businesses are not big corporates, but what are called SMEs, ie. Small and Medium Enterprises.
These are usually people who start small, working for themselves, and gradually employing one or two others while they build up their business to employ more.

It might be a small engineering company, or a window cleaning business.

The people running these businesses very often have to mortgage their houses for cash to start their business or to pay wages. They endure sleepless nights when times are hard. They can't afford to take proper wages out of the business, and they are always at risk of losing everything, including the family home when it goes wrong.

Meanwhile, the staff go home at night with no risk.

I know because that was me (and many more I knew likewise).
For the first 11 years of my business,my wife and I jointly took less pay out of the business than our lowest paid member of staff!
And fools accuse people like us of exploitation.

Where do governments get the money in the treasury from? Taxation of course.
Who pays that tax? Everyone of course!

Not true. Although people who work for the state, such as teachers, civil servants, politicians, street cleaners, policemen, judges etc. all appear to pay tax, where do their wages originate?
Such people are paid with cash from the local or national treasury.
So if that treasury pays $10,000 to a worker, and demands 25% $2500 back in tax, how much does that tax payment add to the treasury?
The answer is obvious that such a worker causes no gain but a net loss to that treasury of $7500.
In other words, public workers are a drain and contribute nothing to the treasury.

The only people who contribute to the treasury are capitalist pigs like me who employed people and paid them wages, from which that tax money came!

But it's not just things like the above.
The very principle of socialism is deeply offensive to God and his laws!

No matter what they pretend, Socialism is entirely based on the sins of envy and coveting other people's goods or wealth.

Socialism tells people,
"Look at that rich man over there, if you vote for us, we will take that man's money and give it to you!"

Socialism tells people,
"Look at that rich man over their, you are poor because he has taken all your money!"

No christian should be pursuing socialism, any more than they should pursue theft.
I agree to disagree ..good day sir
 
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You may not get the choice. Strict Socialism is on the rise. It's a tempting philosophy that has proven to be a danger to personal freedom, especially for Christians. China is the perfect example. People's lives have improved dramatically while Christians are more persecuted than ever. The ultimate expression is North Korea.

In Jesus' day, it was expected that families would take care of their less fortunate dependents. One major problem was the harsh taxes imposed by Rome. Most Jews lived pretty well. Some were very rich, at the expense of the poor. Nothing new under the sun.....

To balance the argument, Paul stated that if an individual was not prepared to work, neither should he eat!

Australia spends around 30% of its budget on welfare. We have stupid programs for people claiming to be Aborigines. If you have any Aborigine genes, you qualify for subsidies, even if the person in no way lives like an Aborigine. Wherever there is government money available someone will rort the system. It's not government money, it's the taxes extracted from people who actually work for a living.

It used to be that the Church was the defender and provider for the poor and needy. Increasingly, governments have pushed the church out to the fringes and so we have less opportunity to help. Who needs God when you have Social Security?


Well I consider my welfare cheques a gift from God

I don't think any to live with my family

God is ok with that

He wants me to be free and happy
 
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Well said. The poor need help but not to remain dependent on welfare for life. The hard line socialists detest that concept, of course.


Unless they have a chronic illness or disability or are old it isn't a choice though

The comments about those who don't work referred to lazy people not the sick or disabled or old

Or people like me who need to be look d after in assisted living

I much prefer being in an assisted living flat which is in a city and near everything I need than living with family

God doesn't condemn me for that

Whenever I feel guilty about it I just block those feelings. I'm not harming anybody and I don't believe it's harming my walk with
God

Welfare isn't the issue with socialism

The issue is lack of freedom of speech for Christians
ln my country Christians are losing their jobs for refusing to pander to LGBT etc nonsense

Go after the LGBT people they are the real sinners


Welfare claimants aren't sinning

I won't go back live with !y family. That isn't right for me.

And those disgusting women who don't use contraceptives or get married but have all these babies....!

No I don't feel any shame for my lack of work

It is hard to fit a full time job in amongst medical treatments I need

I love how Finland does welfare and healthcare
 
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laziness or claiming to be too sick to work and refusing to look after your ageing parents won't land you in hell but being a homo will

I don't fear for my own soul I doubt my sins will keep me out of heaven but i worry about the LGBT

I had same sex attraction so I sympathise and I love my gay friends

But unlike me They going to hell

And I am on my way to heaven
 
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Well I consider my welfare cheques a gift from God

I don't think any to live with my family

God is ok with that

He wants me to be free and happy
Really? God wants you to be holy and a productive member of the community. I don't believe that a life on welfare fits that description.
 
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Really? God wants you to be holy and a productive member of the community. I don't believe that a life on welfare fits that description.


Am sure I can be productive anyway

I can pra y for people and have hobbies where I meet people and share the gospel

No different from being a stay at home mum
 
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Like I said I can't fit a full time job in at the moment with my medical appointments and hospital treatments

I don't see how am doing any th ing wrong

People who have cerebral palsy or who are blind sometimes claim welfare I don't think this is any different

Am happy and content with sharing the gospel with people whom I meet on my daily life

God wants me to not have guilt or feel bad about my life because he can use me wherever and whatever I do
 
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Really? God wants you to be holy and a productive member of the community. I don't believe that a life on welfare fits that description.
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Anyway if a life in welfare is bad it's my loss and my problem

It only for a few years anyway

It enables me to pay for my home and carers

It is important for a single person to be independent

No one wants to live with their parents in their 30s how boring!!! Lol
 
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Christians living in real communist would love to have our easy lives where we quarrel about welfare being a bad thing or whatever

A leaving this discussion now am ashamed I got drawn into such pointless arguments that have nothing to do with anything
 
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