Discussion So if God says something to you and it doesn't happen ...

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I disagree with your conclusions.

When a person says, "God told me such and such is going to happen, and it doesn't, then I heard wrong."
The above is from the OP and nothing to do with what my post was addressing.
With Jonah, it had always been God's nature to forgive when there was repentance. It was not something that Jonah was not aware of. He knew that in the event his message to Ninevah brought repentance, that God would forgive (even the heathen), and HE did. That is why Jonah did not want to tell the message because there was the possibility they would repent. We must make doctrinal conclusions on the "whole" of scripture, not just one book that makes it sound like a prophet can speak and not be held accountable for speaking what maybe God did not say.
You said that the prophets were not speaking to the heathen, when Jonah proved they were. Stop obfuscating.
Please pay attention to the large word MAYBE. Only time will tell if these Trump prophesies are right.
Haha.
Of course only time will tell. I am one of those they keep calling to be stoned for prophesying a Trump second term!
 
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So if God says something to you, and it doesn't happen ...

How does this affect your faith?

and what is your reaction?

It does not effect my faith -

If I think I hear God and it doesn't happen, it's simple, I did not hear from God.
 
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It does not effect my faith -

If I think I hear God and it doesn't happen, it's simple, I did not hear from God.

We are dealing with a complex subject here with so many men and women saying that they heard from God that Trump would be the next POTUS, but when that didn't happen does that then mean that they did not hear from God?

Wouldn't that then mean that they heard from the devil? That the same devil that deceived Eve deceived them?

Perhaps not ... I venture the thought that God intended for Biden to win all along due to the fact that my God does not lose elections and that He used His Angels to put a story all of His so called prophets in order to teach them a lesson and to teach their followers to be more careful on who they listen to.

I know I will be more careful
 
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We are dealing with a complex subject here with so many men and women saying that they heard from God that Trump would be the next POTUS, but when that didn't happen does that then mean that they did not hear from God?

Wouldn't that then mean that they heard from the devil? That the same devil that deceived Eve deceived them?
Not necessarily. It's far more likely to be men just running ahead of the facts.

And it's not just modern day believers who get it wrong. Here's Jesus making a straight forward statement, and then they make a complete hash of it..-
Jn22v21Peter, seeing him, said to Jesus, “But Lord, what about this man?”
22Jesus said to him, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me.”
23Then this saying went out among the brethren that this disciple would not die. Yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?”

Interestingly, Eve seems to have done the same in the Garden of Eden. Hands up all those who can spot it.
She didn't say much so it's easy to find.
Perhaps not ... I venture the thought that God intended for Biden to win all along due to the fact that my God does not lose elections and that He used His Angels to put a story all of His so called prophets in order to teach them a lesson and to teach their followers to be more careful on who they listen to.
That makes no sense at all, God sending angels out so his prophets make mistakes?
I know I will be more careful
 
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We are dealing with a complex subject here with so many men and women saying that they heard from God that Trump would be the next POTUS, but when that didn't happen does that then mean that they did not hear from God?

Yes, God has never once spoken and it wasn't so. God has also never once predicted the outcome of an event controlled by the will of man.

Wouldn't that then mean that they heard from the devil? That the same devil that deceived Eve deceived them?

No. There are many voices in the world. They could also be hearing from their own intellect, which is flawed.

Perhaps not ... I venture the thought that God intended for Biden to win all along due to the fact that my God does not lose elections and that He used His Angels to put a story all of His so called prophets in order to teach them a lesson and to teach their followers to be more careful on who they listen to.

I know I will be more careful

I don't think God has anything to do with the election. Mankind rises and falls, succeeds and fails on his own volition and obedience to God.
 
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The above is from the OP and nothing to do with what my post was addressing.
You said that the prophets were not speaking to the heathen, when Jonah proved they were. Stop obfuscating.
Haha.
Of course only time will tell. I am one of those they keep calling to be stoned for prophesying a Trump second term!
Whatever...but you missed my entire point. No problem though, I'll just move on.
 
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Trump gives his farewell address - he speaks of inaugurating the new administration - he speaks about his leaving.

Can we just be honest and say it is over and the "prophets" missed it. No harm, no foul - just a human error.
 
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Trump gives his farewell address - he speaks of inaugurating the new administration - he speaks about his leaving.

Can we just be honest and say it is over and the "prophets" missed it. No harm, no foul - just a human error.
The videos being shared regarding this, if they are still up on January 21 2021, there should be some commentary - just letting it go is counter biblical instruction - there should at least be some analysis.

So people do not despise prophesying, and hold to the good of the messages, and abstain from even the appearance of evil - as the passage says.
 
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God has also never once predicted the outcome of an event controlled by the will of man.
When scripture is full of such predictions, that doesn't make sense.

Time was created for man, and God dwells outside of that time.
Thus God sees the end from the beginning, so he sees the end results of every man's future freewill decision, just as if it was happening today. The future for man, is not future for God.

That's why Daniel was able to prophesy/predict the great empires that would follow Babylon's demise. The future wars and assassinations that led to rise and fall of those kingdoms were visible as if were in God's ever present todays, thus predicting the futures controlled by those men was a mere nothing to the Lord.
I don't think God has anything to do with the election. Mankind rises and falls, succeeds and fails on his own volition and obedience to God.
This contradicts your first sentence.
 
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When scripture is full of such predictions, that doesn't make sense.

Chapter and verses of two - since you say scripture is full of such predictions - two should be very easy. Remember the subject God intervening in human affairs and placing a person in a position of power because He willed it - not the people.


This contradicts your first sentence.

Absolutely not - here is my first sentence

Yes, God has never once spoken and it wasn't so. God has also never once predicted the outcome of an event controlled by the will of man.

That matches perfectly with

I don't think God has anything to do with the election. Mankind rises and falls, succeeds and fails on his own volition and obedience to God.
 
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Chapter and verses of two - since you say scripture is full of such predictions - two should be very easy. Remember the subject God intervening in human affairs and placing a person in a position of power because He willed it - not the people.
That is not the point I was answering and you know it.
Here's what you said.-
"God has also never once predicted the outcome of an event controlled by the will of man."
If you want chapter and verse for that, I could just present the bible, but I'll narrow it down to the Book of Daniel, any of the multitude of prophecies in there prove your statement wrong.
 
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That is not the point I was answering and you know it.
Here's what you said.-
"God has also never once predicted the outcome of an event controlled by the will of man."
If you want chapter and verse for that, I could just present the bible, but I'll narrow it down to the Book of Daniel, any of the multitude of prophecies in there prove your statement wrong.

You don’t have biblical proof of it. Got it. Thank you.
 
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So if God says something to you, and it doesn't happen ...

How does this affect your faith?

and what is your reaction?

It doesn't affect my faith because my faith is in Christ, not my own understanding of who or what said something to me...
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;

I have had the leading of the Holy Spirit and I have had Satanic misleading over the last 45 years but I have never been chastised for it, only told to buck up, get along with my sanctification and follow Heb 12:5-11 cheerfully.

Iow, I expect to mess up so I seldom make pronouncement.
 
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You don’t have biblical proof of it. Got it. Thank you.

Excuse me...no one has Biblical proof, neither thee or me. We have verses that can be read to support our theological pov, but they do not prove that pov to anyone but ourselves.

The short version is:
The flim flam of exegesis is that for anyone to get the meaning of a verse from the verse without any input from their mindset and unfiltered by existing ideas is on the order of Paul's conversion as a bright light and hearing GOD's voice. Every interpretation of a verse is eisegesis, the fitting of the verse into previously accepted definitions.

The longer version is:
1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass darkly: but then face to face: now I know in part, but then shall I know even also as I am known.

darkly - the lack of clarity in old mirrors also reflecting the fact that what we see is in fact, backward, not reality. Grosheide(#5), remarks in his commentary: "Our seeing in this dispensation is in a mirror darkly. The mirror in antiquity gave a very poor image (2 Corinthians 3:18). Seeing something through a mirror only was not seeing the reality. It was like considering a riddle, which makes one wonder what one really sees. Our vision is hampered by a twofold darkness and hence it is in part. We are unable to determine what in our vision is precisely lacking, for if we could we would have freed ourselves of the imperfection of the mirror. The only thing that can be said is that our Lord reveals in a figure which is formally perspicuous that we, when we see now, have not reached perfection. Our present vision is not untrue, but it is imperfect as to its degree. When perfection has been reached, we shall see face to face, ie, we shall with our eyes of our understanding look straight into the face of things reality ; there will be nothing between us and the things like GOD's face."

Consider one small part of (so called) exegesic standing on only what is there: there were no spaces between words or ends of paragraphs in the original texts so a sentence like: isawabundanceuponthetable when read by the cult of the dancing buns finds corroboration for their view in "i saw a bun dance upon the table" when in fact the words were written to mean "i saw abundance upon the table."

This is the cause of many to be led astray who depend upon direct quotes to support a position, that is, it presupposes that there is only one pov and that pov is the speakers, who may be a dancing bun cult member.

With every post of a misunderstood, wrongly interpreted so called direct quote we see proof of the uselessness of not following the Holy Spirit. The quote is true though the interpretation can be as off the wall backwards as thru a particularly bad reflection in a mirror! Instead:
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;
 
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You don’t have biblical proof of it. Got it. Thank you.
You are so blinded by false doctrine you don't even bother to look. But this should spell it out for you.
This is what you said.
"God has also never once predicted the outcome of an event controlled by the will of man."

Here is the proof against that foolishness.
Dan11v36“Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done.

This prophecy in Daniel makes states categorically that, entirely of his own freewill, this evil king exalts himself against God!

This bible verse proves your statement above is completely wrong!
 
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Can we just be honest and say it is over and the "prophets" missed it.

Hello hislegacy. I don't think it's as easy as that. 2 Timothy 3 talks of dangerous times coming in the last days, where we clearly are.

While evil men and imposters go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But as for you, continue in the things you have learned and firmly believed, since you know from whom you have learned them. From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

Those who stood up and said that the Lord had decreed a win for Trump in November are false prophets, wolves in sheep's clothing, blasphemers taking the Lord's name in vain. Evil men and imposters, deceiving and being deceived and going from bad to worse.

Some of these self appointed apostles and prophets have been making clear and outrageous false prophecies for decades and still have a devoted though perhaps deluded fan base.

If these false prophets are given the benefit of the doubt and are still allowed on the platform then their next deception will be far, far worse. They'll give people what they think is a popular message, popular but a lie, in order to gain attention and money. The Trump win message was very popular and exciting, triumphalist, but a lie.

We're standing at a crossroads. The church can repent and take direction from the Holy Scriptures or keep going with deceivers making stuff up. In all love there are folks on this forum who have been deceived. I was deceived by false prophets when I was in AOG. Please, not again.

God Bless :)
 
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