Who are the elect?

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The elect of God are any who are justified, sanctified, and glorified. It can be Jew or Gentile, free or slave... the Gospel went out to the 4 corners of the earth, and a great multitude was saved, more than any man could number, more than the population of the whole of earth at the time it was seen.

The Great Multitude

Awesome sermon to listen to. :)

thank you I am a fan of Vodie I look forward to listening, is he pro elect everyone saved??
 
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thank you I am a fan of Vodie I look forward to listening, is he pro elect everyone saved??

I'm unclear what you mean by "everyone"... but if you listen to the sermon you will get the gist of it. People are saved through faith in Christ, but this salvation affects every nation, every tribe, every tongue. As shown in the Abrahamic covenant as seen in Genesis 12:2-3 where God says through Abraham all the families of the earth will be blessed...

That doesn't mean those who reject Christ will be saved, but it does mean the amount will be innumerable, and that alone should humble us, and excite us because God's Word will bear fruit, even when it doesn't appear that way in our narrow view.

Pastor Baucham is one of my favorites!
 
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I'm unclear what you mean by "everyone"

sorry I meant does he consider the elect everyone or just the Jews,

Yes VOdie is one of the best, I will be listening to the whole series

I can see he says the elect is everyone that comes to Christ which I agree,,,

SO many think its only the Jews
 
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sorry I meant does he consider the elect everyone or just the Jews,

Yes VOdie is one of the best, I will be listening to the whole series

I can see he says the elect is everyone that comes to Christ which I agree,,,

SO many think its only the Jews

So true!

Enjoy the series. God bless you brother...
 
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I can see he says the elect is everyone that comes to Christ which I agree,,,

SO many think its only the Jews
I agree also except since we are elect before the foundation of the world before our conception, I always say that those who are elect will come to (be brought back to) Christ.

Ie, election defines those who come to Christ....those sinners who come to Christ do not define election as some elect, the elect and holy angels, never sinned and therefore are already in Christ:
1 Timothy 5:21 I charge thee before GOD and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the ELECT angels... with Mark 8:38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the HOLY angels.
 
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The way that first sentence was worded makes me think a note of clarification is in order--

The Jews are not guaranteed salvation. Israel was God's chosen people for his purposes leading up to the coming of Christ, but it's a mistake to read the language of Scripture and translate that as a guarantee that any and all ethnic Jews were or will be saved just because of their ethnic heritage.
That makes more sense to me because why would God grant salvation to a nation of people who reject His Son and embrace the AntiChrist? That makes no sense. It goes against everything else the Bible says and I thought the Lord was no respecter of persons.
 
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The new covenant is the everlasting covenant of grace first established with Adam and Eve after sin (Genesis 3:15) renewed with Abraham, and ultimately fulfilled in Christ.

Yet I believe the everlasting covenant was made before the foundation, when Christ was made a surety for the people of God Heb 7:22
22 by so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

Now I believe the beneficiaries of the covenant will have it revealed to them, like Adam, Abraham, David and all the elect of God down through the generations. Christ came in time to confirm it with His Blood Heb 13:20
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
 
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I have herd some say only the Jews, and I have herd some say all that are saved?

what do you say? please provide any scripture to support your stance.

thanks

Pretty easy to tell who has studied their Bible history, and those who have not. Not all Israelites (per God's Word and history) are Jews.

Jews = house of Judah in God's Word. These were made up of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and a small remnant of the northern ten tribes that migrated south to join with Judah after God had split old Israel into two separate kingdoms. The Jewish historian Josephus said the name 'Jew' is what those who returned to Jerusalem from the 70 years Babylon captivity called themselves, and the foreigners that return with them also. The majority of the northern ten tribes of the "house of Israel" had already been scattered before Judah went captive to Babylon, so the majority of the ten tribes were not with Judah, and were not known as Jews. Josephus said the name Jew was derived from the name Judah.

Israel = ten northern tribes after the 1 Kings 11 split. These made up the majority of the children of Israel, from ten tribes. These were put under king Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim, as God gave Jeroboam ten tribes when He split old Israel. The Hosea prophecy is about His scattering the ten tribes among the Gentiles, and their losing their heritage as part of Israel. But in final, He would lead back into His fold. Apostle Paul included Gentile believers with them per Romans 9. Thus the ten lost tribes of Israel fulfilled the "multitude of nations" prophecy that Ephraim was to become per Genesis 48. And that is about CHRISTIAN NATIONS. That of course include scattered Jews among them too that believe on Jesus Christ.

But there still is a difference between Christ's very elect that have been given 'eyes to see, and ears to hear', vs. those who believe but don't have that. John 17 with Lord Jesus' prayer shows this. Some He 'sent' as Apostles into this world as one group, and through their word (preaching) others would be added, which is a second group. The first represent the called & chosen. The second represent the called only. The called CAN... be deceived IF they allow it. The called & chosen CANNOT be deceived, ever, as they already belonged to The Father before the foundation of this world.
 
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