Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

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2Tim 2:3-7 . . No one serving as a soldier gets involved in civilian affairs-- he wants to please his commanding officer.

A soldier's primary responsibility is to accomplish the mission assigned by their commanders. They don't give themselves leave to abandon their posts to go off on their own personal agenda doing other stuff. Desertion and dereliction of duty are courts martial offenses.

Christian men, ordained to serve Christ as per the epistles of Titus, 1&2Timothy and to some extent 1Peter, have no business involving themselves in the world's affairs and or using their pulpits for any other purpose than what Christ expects.

1Tim 4:13 . . Focus on reading the Scriptures to the church, encouraging the believers, and teaching them.

According to Eph 4:11-15 God gives ministers to the churches for the express purpose of building them up in the faith, NOT for leading them into secular causes.

I truly believe that if Dr. Martin Luther King Jr had stayed in church and complied with the Bible's instructions for ordained Christian ministers as per the epistles of Titus, 1&2Timothy, and to some extent 1Peter instead of getting involved in political activism, social justice, and/or civil disobedience, he could have served Christ another thirty-five years instead of getting himself assassinated when he was only 39 years old.

Was Dr. King a martyr? Well, if he was, it certainly wasn't in a cause for Christ. No, it was for a worldly cause. Dr. King marginalized his pastoral responsibilities. He put duty to the color of his skin first, and duty to Christ second. That was a very bad move for an ordained Christian minister.

Moral of the story is: nobody is twisting anybody's arm to commit to a ministry; but once the commitment is made: then they'd do well to hold fast, stay the course, and not get distracted.

Luke 9:62 . . No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.
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2Tim 2:3-7 . . No one serving as a soldier gets involved in civilian affairs-- he wants to please his commanding officer.

A soldier's primary responsibility is to accomplish the mission assigned by their commanders. They don't give themselves leave to abandon their posts to go off on their own personal agenda doing other stuff. Desertion and dereliction of duty are courts martial offenses.

Christian men, ordained to serve Christ as per the epistles of Titus, 1&2Timothy and to some extent 1Peter, have no business involving themselves in the world's affairs and or using their pulpits for any other purpose than what Christ expects.

1Tim 4:13 . . Focus on reading the Scriptures to the church, encouraging the believers, and teaching them.

According to Eph 4:11-15 God gives ministers to the churches for the express purpose of building them up in the faith, NOT for leading them into secular causes.

I truly believe that if Dr. Martin Luther King Jr had stayed in church and complied with the Bible's instructions for ordained Christian ministers as per the epistles of Titus, 1&2Timothy, and to some extent 1Peter instead of getting involved in political activism, social justice, and/or civil disobedience, he could have served Christ another thirty-five years instead of getting himself assassinated when he was only 39 years old.

Was Dr. King a martyr? Well, if he was, it certainly wasn't in a cause for Christ. No, it was for a worldly cause. Dr. King marginalized his pastoral responsibilities. He put duty to the color of his skin first, and duty to Christ second. That was a very bad move for an ordained Christian minister.

Moral of the story is: nobody is twisting anybody's arm to commit to a ministry; but once the commitment is made: then they'd do well to hold fast, stay the course, and not get distracted.

Luke 9:62 . . No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.
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I was Jr. High School age in 1968 the day he was assassinated. The African American girls waiting for their school bus to take them home were crying. They told me King had been assassinated. In those days African Americans lived in shacks in Northern Virginia. They were excluded from good jobs. If a Black man drove an expensive car, he was suspected of being a gangster.

President Kennedy had been assassinated five years earlier in 1963 by a Russian sympathizer. Russia was enemy of the U.S. back then as they tried to put nuclear missiles on Cuba to threaten us. Kennedy opposed them. He was trying to protect the flock.

Martin Luther King was non-violent. He was charismatic. I remember his I have a dream speech he gave before he was killed. It was on black and white TV. Perhaps he showed favoritism, but who did not show favoritism? He was less radical than the Black Panthers and Malcom X who advocated violence. Black communities were ghettos. They set fire to the cities after he was assassinated in 1968. With expanded voting rights in 1965, they began to vote themselves into positions of power. I do not think things will be fair for sometime to come.
 
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2Tim 2:3-7 . . No one serving as a soldier gets involved in civilian affairs-- he wants to please his commanding officer.

A soldier's primary responsibility is to accomplish the mission assigned by their commanders. They don't give themselves leave to abandon their posts to go off on their own personal agenda doing other stuff. Desertion and dereliction of duty are courts martial offenses.

Christian men, ordained to serve Christ as per the epistles of Titus, 1&2Timothy and to some extent 1Peter, have no business involving themselves in the world's affairs and or using their pulpits for any other purpose than what Christ expects.

1Tim 4:13 . . Focus on reading the Scriptures to the church, encouraging the believers, and teaching them.

According to Eph 4:11-15 God gives ministers to the churches for the express purpose of building them up in the faith, NOT for leading them into secular causes.

I truly believe that if Dr. Martin Luther King Jr had stayed in church and complied with the Bible's instructions for ordained Christian ministers as per the epistles of Titus, 1&2Timothy, and to some extent 1Peter instead of getting involved in political activism, social justice, and/or civil disobedience, he could have served Christ another thirty-five years instead of getting himself assassinated when he was only 39 years old.

Was Dr. King a martyr? Well, if he was, it certainly wasn't in a cause for Christ. No, it was for a worldly cause. Dr. King marginalized his pastoral responsibilities. He put duty to the color of his skin first, and duty to Christ second. That was a very bad move for an ordained Christian minister.

Moral of the story is: nobody is twisting anybody's arm to commit to a ministry; but once the commitment is made: then they'd do well to hold fast, stay the course, and not get distracted.

Luke 9:62 . . No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.
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God calls people as he sees fit to do the work he has for them. I am not about to judge the validity of the call someone else hears.
 
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Are you saying there is no place for Christians in politics?


The OP does not target rank and file pew warmers.

The OP specifically targets Christian men ordained to serve Christ as per the epistles of Titus, 1&2Timothy, and to some extent 1Peter. (Third paragraph down from the top in post No.1)
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The OP does not target rank and file pew warmers.

The OP specifically targets Christian men ordained to serve Christ as per the epistles of Titus, 1&2Timothy, and to some extent 1Peter. (Third paragraph down from the top in post No.1)
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OK...

Do you think then it is OK for Pastors to promote the support of believers in politics?
 
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Do you think then it is OK for Pastors to promote the support of believers in politics?


According to Eph 4:11-15 God gives ministers to the churches for the express purpose of building them up in the faith, NOT for leading them into secular causes. (Fifth paragraph down from the top in post No.1)
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According to Eph 4:11-15 God gives ministers to the churches for the express purpose of building them up in the faith, NOT for leading them into secular causes. (Fifth paragraph down from the top in post No.1)
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Let me plainly put the question another way then.

If a church member gets involved in politics is this a sin?
 
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If a church member gets involved in politics is this a sin?


The OP doesn't target rank and file pew warmers.

The OP specifically targets Christian men ordained to serve Christ as per the epistles of Titus, 1&2Timothy, and to some extent 1Peter. (Third paragraph down from the top in post No.1)
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Christian men ordained to serve Jesus Christ are, first and foremost, bought and paid for.

2Tim 2:24-26 . . And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.

The Greek word translated "servant" in that passage basically identifies slaves; both voluntary and involuntary.

If perchance someone reading this is considering preparing for "the ministry" be forewarned that in order to serve Christ faithfully, effectively, and loyally; you'll have to accept the status of a slave; i.e. you cannot be Christ's minister as a free agent. Should you choose to go off on your own agenda as Dr. King did, you'll be charged with dereliction of duty and branded a deserter. (cf. John 15:4-11)

Christian men ordained to serve Jesus Christ, are shepherds whose responsibility is the care of Christ's sheep-- not the world's sheep nor the world's problems. In other words: it is Christ's expectations that his ministers be congregational leaders rather than social leaders.

1Pet 5:1-4 . . To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder, a witness of Christ's sufferings and one who also will share in the glory to be revealed: Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, serving as overseers-- not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not greedy for money, but eager to serve; not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock.

People are easily fooled into believing Dr. King was a successful minister because they're inadequately catechized; i.e. they're unaware that the Bible contains specific instructions for ordained Christian ministers; and failure to comply with those instructions leads to unsatisfactory performance ratings.

2Tim 2:5 . . If anyone competes as an athlete, he does not receive the victor's crown unless he competes according to the rules.
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