What did John mean by "I walk in the darkness?"

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I admit it, I'm not humble. In fact, I'm not humble at all. God hates proud people like me (sorry but thats just a fact) There are many times when I think im better than everybody else, and by John's own words that's walking in darkness instead of in God's light (obviously). I also sin way too much and I recognize that i am far behind many other Christians.

Yet, the Holy Spirit speaks to me all the time that I'm a child of God and God is working in me and I have this other nature wanting to break forth. I want to show love to all. Yet j do what my flesh desires and give into the passions of my flesh.. I want to obey God and it feels like all I can do is repent for the rest of my life. So, what did John mean when he said that people like me walk in the darkness? Is this a salvation issue or merely something that God will correct?
John was talking about a people whom did not know yet hear, know and accept the Gospel which is to say that salvation is by faith in Christ. Through this faith one is declared righteous in the sight of God through the blood of Jesus...we find this in Romans 4:3-10 and surrounding passages and reiterated throughout Scripture.
We are not to use the grace of our Lord as a license for immorality as stated in Jude 1:4.
So what does this all mean? We are to have as our goal to live a sanctified life...with many failings no doubt; we have the sinful nature with us...God knows the heart so be mindful of Him in your life to the best of your ability.
 
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I admit it, I'm not humble. In fact, I'm not humble at all. God hates proud people like me (sorry but thats just a fact) There are many times when I think im better than everybody else, and by John's own words that's walking in darkness instead of in God's light (obviously). I also sin way too much and I recognize that i am far behind many other Christians.

Yet, the Holy Spirit speaks to me all the time that I'm a child of God and God is working in me and I have this other nature wanting to break forth. I want to show love to all. Yet j do what my flesh desires and give into the passions of my flesh.. I want to obey God and it feels like all I can do is repent for the rest of my life. So, what did John mean when he said that people like me walk in the darkness? Is this a salvation issue or merely something that God will correct?

Many today will attempt to deceive you into thinking you can sin and still be saved, but that is not something God can agree with because He is holy, righteous, and good. Neither would it be the narrow way that Jesus talked about, too (See: Matthew 7:14). While there is grace if we honestly do stumble (1 John 1:9) (1 John 2:1), we are not saved if we abide in grievous unconfessed sin, and we are not saved if we refuse to battle and fight so as to crucify (or overcome) the affections and lusts in this life (i.e. crucify “grievous sin” or sin that the Bible attaches with warnings of hellfire and condemnation).

1 John 1:7 says

“But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.”​

So if we walk in the light, the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.
Being cleansed by the blood of Jesus is a salvation issue.

We have to “walk in the light” in order to have the blood of Jesus cleanse us from all sin (i.e. to continually be saved).

So what is “walking in the light” mean?

The context tells us that “walking in the light” = “Loving our brother” according to the indirect wording used in 1 John 2:9-11.

“He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.” (1 John 2:9-11).​

We also get the answer to what “walking in darkness” means from this above passage, as well.
It is to hate your brother. So “hating your brother” = “Walking in darkness.”

1 John 3:15 says,

“Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.”​

So this is why a sin and still be saved belief is untrue. We are told that if we hate our brother, we are like a murderer, and no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. This is why salvation is conditional and not unconditional. This is why we are not saved by a belief alone in Jesus despite how we live.

1 John 3:10 says,

“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.”​

Is somebody doing righteousness if they are also sinning? No.
Now, some may attempt to deceive you into thinking that 1 John 3:10 is referring to how believers cannot live in a habitual lifestyle of serious sin but you will always stumble into serious sin in some way over the course of the rest of your life. But is not saying that we must stumble into sin our whole lives a mindset of living in sin in some way?

Anyways, the view that says that individual sins done on occasion is okay, and you must practice sin or live in a lifestyle of sin in order to be condemned is false.

#1. Numbers 35:16-18 says it only takes one act of murder to be a murderer; And Leviticus 20:10 says it only takes one act of adultery to be an adulterer.

#2. Jesus Himself regarded just looking at a woman once as an act of adultery (Matthew 5:28).

#3. John says, "No murderer has eternal life abiding in them." (1 John 3:15).

#4. Proverbs 6:32 says "Whosoever commits adultery with a woman lacks understanding: he that does it destroys his own soul."

#5. Jesus Himself says that just looking at a woman in lust (Which is adultery) is potential for a person to be cast bodily in hell fire (See Matthew 5:28-30).

#6. David needed to confess of his sin in order to be forgiven (See Psalms 51).

#7. 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

#8. Revelation 21:8 says, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Murderers and whoremongers will be cast into the lake of fire. All liars will be cast into the lake of fire. ALL liars, and not just some. NO murderer has eternal life abiding in them (1 John 3:15).​

In fact, we know that just doing righteousness is not enough if we also are sinning or justifying sin in some way (whether it is a mindset that says we will stumble into sin again a little or whether we live a lifestyle of sin).

For Jesus says,

“Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
(Matthew 7:22-23).​

We can see certain believers who did wonderful works in Christ's name were told to depart from Jesus because they also worked iniquity (i.e. sin), too.

Sin is the breaking of the Law (or commandment).

“Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law:
for sin is the transgression of the law.”
(1 John 3:4).​

In Matthew 7:22-23: Jesus did not know them because they did not keep His commandments (Note: This is not the keeping of the Old Law like Saturday Sabbath, circumcision, dietary laws, etc.).

“And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” (1 John 2:3-4).​

Now, some may attempt to say that Matthew 7:22-23 is referring to only fake nominal believers who never knew Jesus. But this theory does not hold water in light of looking at the whole counsel of God's Word.

Ezekiel 3:20 says,

“Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.”​

In other words, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness, and he commits iniquity, his previous righteousness will no longer be remembered. This means the Lord will no longer remember a believer if they turn back to their sin because God associates with a believer in their doing righteousness. So if there is no righteousness to remember, that means He will no longer remember a believer and it will be as if He never knew them because there is no more righteousness to remember. This is how the Lord can say He never knew a particular believer (even if they may have known the Lord at one point in time). For when we accept Jesus Christ as our Savior, and or if we confess our sins to Jesus, He no longer remembers those past sins (See: Hebrews 4:16, and Hebrews 8:12). So the door swings both ways. God can forever forget our past sins forever, but we have to play ball on God's terms and not our own. Believers must confess and forsake sin in order to have mercy (See Proverbs 28:13). Believers must follow after holiness without which no man shall see the Lord (See: Hebrews 12:14).

Side Note:

Please keep in mind that I do believe we are initially and foundationally saved by God's grace, but we must also enter the Sanctification Process as a part of God's plan of salvation, too. To see a more comprehensive picture of salvation, check out this thread here:

The Four Aspects of Salvation.
 
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I admit it, I'm not humble. In fact, I'm not humble at all. God hates proud people like me (sorry but thats just a fact) There are many times when I think im better than everybody else, and by John's own words that's walking in darkness instead of in God's light (obviously). I also sin way too much and I recognize that i am far behind many other Christians.

Yet, the Holy Spirit speaks to me all the time that I'm a child of God and God is working in me and I have this other nature wanting to break forth. I want to show love to all. Yet j do what my flesh desires and give into the passions of my flesh.. I want to obey God and it feels like all I can do is repent for the rest of my life. So, what did John mean when he said that people like me walk in the darkness? Is this a salvation issue or merely something that God will correct?

Are you not one of the unconditionally elected?

Walking in darkness is not having the truth of the Gospel. There really is power in the Holy Spirit and I fear you "quench" Him. The new man will prevail if the Holy Spirit works in him with little obstruction. Consider what really is keeping you from a holy walk with our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Be blessed.
 
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I admit it, I'm not humble. In fact, I'm not humble at all. God hates proud people like me (sorry but thats just a fact) There are many times when I think im better than everybody else, and by John's own words that's walking in darkness instead of in God's light (obviously). I also sin way too much and I recognize that i am far behind many other Christians.

Yet, the Holy Spirit speaks to me all the time that I'm a child of God and God is working in me and I have this other nature wanting to break forth. I want to show love to all. Yet j do what my flesh desires and give into the passions of my flesh.. I want to obey God and it feels like all I can do is repent for the rest of my life. So, what did John mean when he said that people like me walk in the darkness? Is this a salvation issue or merely something that God will correct?
You shocked me, but then I saw that you were a Calvinist, so all that you've said sounds about right--kinda surprised it's not worse, actually.

To contradict your tagline under your name, we are actually saved by His grace, through our faith.

--Perhaps this comment from one of the founders of the United States on the guy you follow, John Calvin, may cause you to pause and consider what it is you are actually believing:

Thomas Jefferson on John Calvin.jpg


Jefferson here sounds like a poet, so concise, yet so precise, praise God!
 
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You shocked me, but then I saw that you were a Calvinist, so all that you've said sounds about right--kinda surprised it's not worse, actually.

To contradict your tagline under your name, we are actually saved by His grace, through our faith.

--Perhaps this comment from one of the founders of the United States on the guy you follow, John Calvin, may cause you to pause and consider what it is you are actually believing:

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Jefferson here sounds like a poet, so concise, yet so precise, praise God!

I'd give my opinion on Thomas Jefferson, but I'm not allowed to here. But lets just say, Jefferson wasn't the greatest apple of them all either and his words cannot really be trusted, in my opinion anyway. Anybody that does that kind of stuff to another culture of people should not be listened to. That's like taking the words of Benedict Arnold and saying they're Biblical Cannon. But, Arminians and Calvinists will always disagree. But, you don't hear me saying that Arminians (or many other denominations of Christianity) believe the doctrine of the Devil either. Whether its true, or not.
 
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I admit it, I'm not humble. In fact, I'm not humble at all. God hates proud people like me (sorry but thats just a fact) There are many times when I think im better than everybody else, and by John's own words that's walking in darkness instead of in God's light (obviously). I also sin way too much and I recognize that i am far behind many other Christians.

Yet, the Holy Spirit speaks to me all the time that I'm a child of God and God is working in me and I have this other nature wanting to break forth. I want to show love to all. Yet j do what my flesh desires and give into the passions of my flesh.. I want to obey God and it feels like all I can do is repent for the rest of my life. So, what did John mean when he said that people like me walk in the darkness? Is this a salvation issue or merely something that God will correct?

Yes ... what did he mean ... a lack of knowledge ...
 
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I'd give my opinion on Thomas Jefferson, but I'm not allowed to here. But lets just say, Jefferson wasn't the greatest apple of them all either and his words cannot really be trusted, in my opinion anyway. Anybody that does that kind of stuff to another culture of people should not be listened to. That's like taking the words of Benedict Arnold and saying they're Biblical Cannon. But, Arminians and Calvinists will always disagree. But, you don't hear me saying that Arminians (or many other denominations of Christianity) believe the doctrine of the Devil either. Whether its true, or not.
The allegations against Jefferson are terrible, yet they remain allegations--I don't care about allegations, I care about what comes out of that person's mouth.

--If you don't hear both sides before judging, then the judgment is unrighteous, period.

Jefferson ain't around to defend himself, so let's just stick to what we believe, and see if we can defend that.

This is what is going on in Christianity today, and it's not new:

"Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles. But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things. Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely? I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service. And when I was present with you, and wanted, I was chargeable to no man: for that which was lacking to me the brethren which came from Macedonia supplied: and in all things I have kept myself from being burdensome unto you, and so will I keep myself. As the truth of Christ is in me, no man shall stop me of this boasting in the regions of Achaia. Wherefore? because I love you not? God knoweth. But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works." --2 Corinthians 11:1-15

How do you feel about that?
 
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Says who? There are several passages of scripture that say that God gives us various talents and abilities and that we should use those abilities to serve God in their various forms. Unless I'm misreading scripture and what lots of Christians say we are all born with talents that God gave us whether it's Art, Speaking, Knowledge of Theology, A musical Instrument, Talking to Prisoners, Being good at school work ...etc.

Mine just happened to be computers and I've been talented and Knowledgeable in Computer Science and Computers since I was a little child.

I couldn't have taught myself Computers at a young age from programming, to diagnosing and fixing problems ...etc. Those were gifts of God. A young child doesn't just instantly know those things, especially when (trying not to brag) many adults can't do those things.

But it's no different than someone being able to play piano and write music from infancy and be able to do things many people can't do. Like sing perhaps. I definitely CANNOT sing.

How to play video games though? You might have a point. I don't know. I don't even remember when I picked up my first video game and was apparently good at it because I was still in diapers.

Oh I can think of one other talent though that God gave me, I'm good with numbers and math (But not Calculus and Algebra. They were the failure of my Computer Science degree). For most of my school years I used to aggravate my teachers trying to teach math problems by blurting out the answer before they even started explaining the problem. I also never understood why they made me show my work on paper when I knew already what the answer was without showing my work. I don't really see how that talent could bring people closer to Christ though or show people Christs love. It's kind of a condescending talent that says "na na I can do math that you can't do.". I could see my seven year old self saying that... lol

Whole lot of "I" in that post. Just trying to help like you asked.
 
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I admit it, I'm not humble. In fact, I'm not humble at all. God hates proud people like me (sorry but thats just a fact) There are many times when I think im better than everybody else, and by John's own words that's walking in darkness instead of in God's light (obviously). I also sin way too much and I recognize that i am far behind many other Christians.

Yet, the Holy Spirit speaks to me all the time that I'm a child of God and God is working in me and I have this other nature wanting to break forth. I want to show love to all. Yet j do what my flesh desires and give into the passions of my flesh.. I want to obey God and it feels like all I can do is repent for the rest of my life. So, what did John mean when he said that people like me walk in the darkness? Is this a salvation issue or merely something that God will correct?
I have already responded to you, but in light of some of the following posts feel I should respond again.
God knows your heart. He knows whether you are heartily seeking Him and yet are stumbling or whether you are simply going by mere natural instincts which the Scriptures warns against...I gave both warnings and encouragements in my prior post I feel. Now, see some of the following passages:

James 4:5-7:
5 Or do you think Scripture says without reason that he jealously longs for the spirit he has caused to dwell in us 6 But he gives us more grace. That is why Scripture says:

“God opposes the proud
but shows favor to the humble.”
7 Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

So then are you calling upon Jesus to resist the devil? Only you and God know that answer. Don't give up in your struggles against the flesh. Remember too we are not to use the grace of our Lord Jesus as a license for immorality. (Jude 1:4...which I've already cited in my previous post)

Jude 1:18-20:
18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
Remembering this encouragement in verse 20...

20 But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit,

As fellow Christians we are to extend mercy with rebuking in hopes and prayer that this promotes correction and endurance in the faith remembering James 2:12-14:
12 Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

And as is said of Christ's mercy to us...

A bruised reed he will not break,
and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out, (Matthew 12:20)

So then in sum my message to you is one of rebuke as an aim for change, exhortion to do so with dispatch and to rely wholly on the strength of Jesus...not omitting the seeking of God's mercy and forgiveness...which I sincerely hope you are seeking daily.

I am sorry for some of the underlines and italics where they should not be, but these features are not working properly for me today...don't turn off and on properly.



 
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