BLM member arrested for involvement in Capitol riot

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atpollard said:

He was a Russian spy that defected to Britain and worked for British intelligence.

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No, he was not. He was recruited directly from Cambridge.

Christopher Steele - Wikipedia

atpollard said:

No deaths by gunshots except from the Police! No bombs. No burning buildings. Lots of shouting and pushing and a few people brawling with the police.

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Plus them murdering one police officer. But hey, no point on dwelling on that bit, we've got to find excuses to ignore the actions of right-wing domestic terrorists.

KCfromNC said:

Plus them murdering one police officer. But hey, no point on dwelling on that bit, we've got to find excuses to ignore the actions of right-wing domestic terrorists.

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Since when is beating someone to death with a fire extinguisher murder?

Aryeh Jay said:

Since when is beating someone to death with a fire extinguisher murder?

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I think it has to be done by BLM for it to "blue lives matter" matter.

atpollard said:

I never claimed anyone won by a landslide.

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Then why would you even use the word "landslide" in your post #31.

atpollard said:

He was a Russian spy that defected to Britain and worked for British intelligence.

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As has already been noted, this is a complete and utter falsehood.

MIDutch said:

Then why would you even use the word "landslide" in your post #31.

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[sigh]

atpollard said:

I never claimed anyone won by a landslide. You should ask Donald if he made that claim (I never liked the man, even in The Apprentice and never voted for him in any Primary). However I asked the poster that claimed a Biden landslide how large a percent is a landslide ... so I did ask the person making the claim to back it up with numbers.

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Belk said:

No, he was not. He was recruited directly from Cambridge.

Christopher Steele - Wikipedia

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Wikipedia is not a reliable source in a time of heavy censorship of dissenting opinions, however, I stand corrected: He was a British Spy that fabricated a report based on rumors for the DNC that turned out to be false.

KCfromNC said:

Plus them murdering one police officer. But hey, no point on dwelling on that bit, we've got to find excuses to ignore the actions of right-wing domestic terrorists.

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By your definition, most bar room brawls are "insurrections". Let's stick to the crimes that were actually committed. People are claiming an "armed insurrection" when the police were the ones doing the shooting. People are claiming the mob had bombs when there were no bombs at the Capitol.

I admitted that a group of people were brawling with an Officer and someone hit him with a fire extinguisher (which means that person did not even bring a weapon to the Capitol with the intention to kill someone). The officer got up and returned to his station and later died from that injury. It sounds like manslaughter to me and the person/people responsible SHOULD be charged with the crime they committed. However, an armed militia with guns and bombs attacking the Capitol building is just NOT what happened that day. Pretending it is as an excuse to hate Trump and everyone that refuses to agree with the policies of Joe Biden is just plain fantasy.

[Hint: most people are not angry that Trump lost; they are angry because have lost confidence in the integrity of the process. Calling everyone on the right a "terrorist" fans the flames of that anger and mistrust. Something to keep in mind is the 48% conservatives have many more guns than the 52% liberals ... so they COULD have come shooting if that was their intent. Clearly shooting was not their intent.]

atpollard said:

However, an armed militia with guns and bombs attacking the Capitol building is just NOT what happened that day.

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Fair enough, they didn't bring their bombs in with them, they left them in the car. But they did bring in their guns, that's what makes it "armed". If I rob a liquor store with a gun, but I don't shoot anybody, it's still armed robbery. What do you think it means to be armed?

Moral Orel said:

What do you think it means to be armed?

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What do you think it means that the only person shot was an unarmed protester shot by the police?

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

• People have a RIGHT to "peaceably to assemble" and to "petition the government for a redress of grievances" ... these people felt the government was ignoring their grievances and sought to make their grievances heard in a way that the Courts and Legislators could not IGNORE. They went to their Legislators and were shot by the police.

Amendment II
A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

• Unless evidence can be shown otherwise, a few people were exercising their legal right to keep and bear arms. No arms were drawn or discharged illegally in any photos that I saw.

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

• Everyone in those photos has the legal presumption of innocence until proven guilty. I know we prefer to convict in the media, then execute punishment and wait to hold a trial only after the fact, but this is still America and the MEDIA is not the Courts.

atpollard said:

Remind me again, how many pipe bombs did they detonate in the “insurrection” attack on the Capitol building?

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Are you for real? The fact the police *stopped* him before he used them is utterly irrelevant. Your mob came to DC with the express intent of starting a "civil war", and with the intent on trying to overthrow the duly elected government.

Feds: Investigation found truck full of bombs/guns near Capitol protest

Look at the writing on those t-shirts! It doesn't say "Peaceful March On DC - January 6 2021".

atpollard said:

Let’s talk about the deaths:

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How about the 50 or so police officers that were also injured during your riots?

More than 50 police officers were hurt at pro-Trump riot at the Capitol that also killed 4

Ya, and they are *your* riots now too since you keep trying to misrepresent the facts about those *riots*. They were *not* "non-violent". They were *very* violent, and they would have been a lot *more* violent if the mob had gotten to members of the Congress and Senate.

Brian Sicknick: Capitol Police officer brawling with protestors was struck with a fire extinguisher and later died of complications from the head injury.

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That's called "murder". It precludes you from trying to claim these riots were "peaceful". Like hell they were peaceful!

THESE are the facts concerning the actual deaths of the real people that made up this mythical “armed insurrection”.

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There's nothing "mythical" about it. I don't care *how* they murdered and injured police, I only care that they did so!

The fact that you keep making excuses for them only makes you an accomplice after the fact!

atpollard said:

People have a RIGHT to "peaceably to assemble"

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They didn't "peacefully assemble". They injured over 50 police officers, and killed one too. They broke windows. They broke doors. They broke furniture. They looted the Capitol building. That's not a "peaceful" assembly no matter how hard you try to misinform everyone.

atpollard said:

You are ignoring the inconvenient facts about what really happened. Yes the trespassers should be charged with trespassing and the vandals should be charged with vandalism and the person/persons that assaulted the officer should be charged with manslaughter (or whatever charge is appropriate to their intent). However an unarmed mob pushing past the police is not an armed insurrection.

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More Republican lies. They were not unarmed, nor did they "peacefully" assemble.


"Hang Mike Pence"?

tulc said:

...I suspect a lot of people would be interested in seeing the proof for this particular claim.
tulc(knows he would)

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One is not able to prove a negative. The proof that needs to be presented is the proof that the remarks are what caused the riot.

Aryeh Jay said:

Since when is beating someone to death with a fire extinguisher murder?

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Since forever, I would guess, but it's been established that this story about a man being beaten to death with a fire extinguisher was in error.

Michael said:

They didn't "peacefully assemble". They injured over 50 police officers, and killed one too. They broke windows. They broke doors. They broke furniture. They looted the Capitol building. That's not a "peaceful" assembly no matter how hard you try to misinform everyone.

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Sounds very similar to last year's "mostly peaceful protesters." . Funny how the positions of so many have reversed on the subject of violent uprising.

Zergling Rush said:

This guy looks armed.

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Not only is he armed, he brought handcuffs with the express intent of taking prisoners, specifically members of Congress and the Senate.