The rise of totalitarianism: Opinion

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Were they organizing on Facebook and twitter?


I did come across this:

PolitiFact - Suspended Twitter account fans misinformation about antifa, George Floyd protests

What we do know is that there is no national organization for antifa, which means there is no official Twitter account for the movement. And there were no reports we could find of antifa or other groups specifically targeting white residentials.......

But as of now, there is no proof that antifa activists are the primary demonstrators stoking violence at Black Lives Matter protesters across the country. Neither Trump nor Barr have offered public evidence that the leftist movement is behind the demonstrations. And while they are probably part of the protests, experts say it’s unlikely that antifa groups are culpable for a significant portion of damage.

"I haven’t seen any instances in these demonstrations of groups marching behind a banner saying, ‘Hey, we are antifa,’" said Mark Bray, a part-time lecturer at Rutgers University and author of "Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook." "That said, I think there's a fair likelihood that some antifa groups have participated in the protests that we've seen."

White supremacists pose as Antifa online, call for violence - CNN

A Twitter account that tweeted a call to violence and claimed to be representing the position of "Antifa" was in fact created by a known white supremacist group, Twitter said Monday. The company removed the account.

Before it emerged the account was run by white supremacists, Donald Trump Jr., President Donald Trump's son, pointed his 2.8 million Instagram followers to the account as an example how dangerous Antifa is.
"This account violated our platform manipulation and spam policy, specifically the creation of fake accounts," a Twitter spokesperson said in a statement. "We took action after the account sent a Tweet inciting violence and broke the Twitter Rules."
Although the account only had a few hundred followers, it is an example of white supremacists seeking to inflame tensions in the United States by posing as left-wing activists online.
And as to violence this last summer:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/22/who-caused-violence-protests-its-not-antifa/

Antifa is a moniker, not a single group with a clear organizational structure or leader. It is a decentralized network of activists who don’t coordinate. Their common ground is opposing anything that they think is racist or fascist. In recent years, antifa activists appeared whenever there was a large gathering of white nationalists......

Roughly 80 federal charges, including murder and throwing molotov cocktails at police vehicles, reveal no evidence of an antifa plot. Four people who identify with the far-right extremist “boogaloo” movement are among those facing the most serious federal charges.....

An intelligence bulletin issued by the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security and the National Counterterrorism Center that was obtained by ABC News warned that “anarchist extremists continue to pose the most significant threat of targeted assaults against police.” The bulletin, which was distributed to police departments nationwide, mentions antifa only in a footnote differentiating those who self-identify with the group from anarchists.

Rather, the bulletin said that “the greatest threat of lethal violence continues to emanate from lone offenders with racially or ethnically motivated violent extremist ideologies and [domestic violent extremists] with personalized ideologies,” specifically pointing to boogaloo-related groups as likely to be “instigating violence” at the protests.



It obviously become a huge problem with the conspiracy theories and organization by right wing groups when the Capitol was stormed, and there was a chant to "Hang Mike Penis" and there were plans to assassinate Pelosi.

Proud Boys intended to kill Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi, FBI witness says

An FBI witness says that members of the far-right Proud Boys had hoped to assassinate Vice President Mike Pence and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi during last week's violent storming of the U.S. Capitol.

An FBI special agent made the claim in an affidavit as part of a criminal complaint against 43-year-old Dominic Pezzola, who is accused of taking part in the riot in support of President Donald Trump's false claims that the presidential election was "stolen." Pezzola, who is also known as "Spaz," allegedly used a shield taken from a Capitol Police officer to smash a Capitol window before entering the building. An FBI witness said that the group Pezzola was with had discussed committing violent acts that went far beyond property damage.

Who are these militia seen charging up the steps during the US Capitol siege?

In the aftermath of the January 6 assault on the US Capitol by a mob of pro-Trump insurrectionists, a Twitter video posted on January 10 caught the eye of social media sleuths trying to identify the perpetrators of the assault. In it, a line of men equipped with combat helmets, bullet-proof vests, and radios move steadily up the Capitol steps amid cheering protesters. They are members of the Oath Keepers — one of the largest radical anti-government militia groups in the US readying themselves for a civil war.

too bad Andy NGO didn’t know that before he showed their tweets and group messages on FB and Twitter over the last eight months..

Along with the open calls for his murder.

It is VERY convincing when only one side of the narrative is permitted
 
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BTW, hislegacy, I don't support any violence, regardless of who does it.
But the whining because the far right groups that tried to overthrow the election and plotted violence and committed federal crimes having their social media affected is just silly. Why defend them?
 
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BTW, hislegacy, I don't support any violence, regardless of who does it.
But the whining because the far right groups that tried to overthrow the election and plotted violence and committed federal crimes having their social media affected is just silly. Why defend them?


where have I defended them?

And why are you not holding Antifa to the same standards?
 
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I am not the one who is complaining about social media, nor am I defending anyone who is violent or plotting it. Reread your OP. Why shouldn't social media, aka private companies, stop the plotting of insurrection and violence on their platforms. You imply that it is totalitarianism.

If you see plotting by antifa folks, you need to complain to Facebook and Twitter.
 
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Totalitarianism is a concept for a form of government or political system that

prohibits opposition parties,
restricts individual opposition to the state and its claims,
and exercises an extremely high degree of control over public and private life.

It is regarded as the most extreme and complete form of authoritarianism. In totalitarian states, political power has often been held by autocrats who employ all-encompassing campaigns in which propaganda is broadcast by state-controlled mass media.

We are not there as of yet, but we are closer than we ever have been.

to wit

There are calls for Republicans to be thrown out of congress

Any dissenting comment towards the party in power is immediately harassed and silenced

There is an amazing amount of government control of public and private lives including travel and who is allowed to have their businesses open.

Big Tech and multi billionaires are backing one party almost exclusively.

Media is effectively promoting only one party in a positive light, and big tech shuts down posts, tweets and websites that oppose the left narrative.
I am amazed at how the left and right can look at a subject, such as this thread, and both believe they are justified because they each think it defines the opposition.
 
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How about their freedoms were stolen by run of the mill elected officials? That appears to be what most people who believe the election to have been fraudulent think about it.
So you're saying they won't admit they were deceived by Trump?
 
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Here is one of the people charged in the Capital breach. A known Antifa activist.
He is persona-non-grata with BLM. As to antifa:

https://www.ksl.com/article/5008376...illed-was-first-to-try-to-enter-house-chamber

"If people are saying I'm Antifa, as far as a terrorist organization, I'm not," he said. "Am I anti-fascist? We all are anti-fascist. And that's what we should all strive for being. I have my own organization, Insurgence USA, and that's what it is for. That's really what it is."

He said he documented the rally as it began near the Washington Monument and "migrated over to the Capitol."

"There were all of these people just listening to Trump, and then they just marched," Sullivan said. "It's not like a new group joined, another group came. They literally came from the MAGA protest, where Trump was, and went over there. There was no Antifa."​

He seems pretty off to me. Sadly, there were a number of disturbing people at the Capitol that day.
 
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I am not the one who is complaining about social media, nor am I defending anyone who is violent or plotting it. Reread your OP. Why shouldn't social media, aka private companies, stop the plotting of insurrection and violence on their platforms. You imply that it is totalitarianism.

If you see plotting by antifa folks, you need to complain to Facebook and Twitter.

I have. Both state they don’t violated their rules.

That is the point I am making. Violence is tolerated depending on political party.
 
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He is persona-non-grata with BLM. As to antifa:

https://www.ksl.com/article/5008376...illed-was-first-to-try-to-enter-house-chamber

"If people are saying I'm Antifa, as far as a terrorist organization, I'm not," he said. "Am I anti-fascist? We all are anti-fascist. And that's what we should all strive for being. I have my own organization, Insurgence USA, and that's what it is for. That's really what it is."

He said he documented the rally as it began near the Washington Monument and "migrated over to the Capitol."

"There were all of these people just listening to Trump, and then they just marched," Sullivan said. "It's not like a new group joined, another group came. They literally came from the MAGA protest, where Trump was, and went over there. There was no Antifa."​

He seems pretty off to me. Sadly, there were a number of disturbing people at the Capitol that day.

Oh asking the guy who was arrested for violence at the capital if he is a bad guy. And him saying. Why no! I’m not.

How about looking at and listening to his own words? If you can stomach that much filthy language
 
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Why didn’t big tech shut down Antifa communications through facebook and Twitter when they were laying violent siege to the police and federal court houses in Portland and Seattle?
The agenda is obvious.
 
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When the rioters attacked a Federal Building, pushing Federal Agents back into the building, then smashing the windows and throwing in explosive devices and attempting to burn it down. This going on for almost 100 days

Where was the outcry from the left?
Where was the call to shut down their accounts.

People are not dumb, we can see.
 
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