BLM member arrested for involvement in Capitol riot

tulc said:

Evidently we weren't talking, otherwise you would have addressed that I pointed out several "new things"

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I agree since that was addressed in the portion of my original post that you didn’t bother to quote.

There seemed no point in repeating an answer already ignored once.

Michael said:

There was no fanning of the flames by the Democrats.

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Not by Biden, but can you say the same for AOC and Pelosi and Maxine?

Michael said:

Violence is violence regardless of who's doing it.

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The people arrested have mostly been charged with TRESPASSING, not with violent crimes. My point was that this was a mostly non-violent protest (closer to a sit in). If you want to know what a VIOLENT protest looks like, watch a BLM protest with burning cars and looted businesses and lots of armed civilians.

To call this an insurrection is nonsense. It was the least well armed and least violent attempt to “overthrow a government” in history. It was a protest of perceived voting fraud (right or wrong).

atpollard said:

The people arrested have mostly been charged with TRESPASSING, not with violent crimes. My point was that this was a mostly non-violent protest (closer to a sit in).

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A police officer was killed in the line of duty and dozens more were injured, not to mention several other deaths. They ransacked the Capitol building while chanting "hang Mike Pence." That is *not* a "non-violent sit in". Give it a rest already. Enough Republican lies.

If you want to know what a VIOLENT protest looks like, watch a BLM protest with burning cars and looted businesses and lots of armed civilians.

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Two wrongs don't make a right, and I don't personally support the BLM movement either. Apparently Republicans falsely believe that *all Democrats support the BLM* because they've been lied to about that too. Sheesh.

To call this an insurrection is nonsense.

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To call it anything else is a lie.

It was the least well armed and least violent attempt to “overthrow a government” in history. It was a protest of perceived voting fraud (right or wrong).

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Feds: Investigation found truck full of bombs/guns near Capitol protest

They came with pipe bombs, guns, pipes, bats, handcuffs, pepper spray and riot gear. They hunted for members of congress and the VP, and they murdered people. That's not a "protest", that's a riot and an insurrection. Your excuses for it are simply disgusting IMO.

Every other candidate in my lifetime has simply conceded the election they lost. Trump is simply a narcissistic putz and so are his cult followers who commit violence in his name.

atpollard said:

Not by Biden, but can you say the same for AOC and Pelosi and Maxine?

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I'm not a big fan of Maxine, and the quotes I've seen from Pelosi have simply been taken completely out of context IMO.

Michael said:

They came with pipe bombs, guns, pipes, bats, handcuffs, pepper spray and riot gear.

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Remind me again, how many pipe bombs did they detonate in the “insurrection” attack on the Capitol building?

atpollard said:

Remind me again, how many pipe bombs did they detonate in the “insurrection” attack on the Capitol building?

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...you do understand there's a difference between "they came with pipe bombs" (which is what was said) and "they used pipe bombs" right? Because you seem to be having a little trouble with that.
tulc(just thought that should be pointed out)

Michael said:

A police officer was killed in the line of duty

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Let’s talk about the deaths:


Brian Sicknick: Capitol Police officer brawling with protestors was struck with a fire extinguisher and later died of complications from the head injury.

Ashli Babbitt: Air Force Veteran and Trump supporter shot and killed for climbing through a window (excessive force investigation currently under way).

Kevin D. Greeson: A 55 year old husband that believed the election had been stolen and was standing on the west side of the Capitol Building (outside) and talking to his wife on the phone when he suffered a heart attack.

Rosanne Boyland: A 34 year old Trump supporter that was crushed between protesters and police as the crowd attempted to push through.

Benjamin Philips: A 50 year old Trump supporter that sold stuffed kangaroos dressed like Trump who died of a stroke.

THESE are the facts concerning the actual deaths of the real people that made up this mythical “armed insurrection”. No deaths by gunshots except from the Police! No bombs. No burning buildings. Lots of shouting and pushing and a few people brawling with the police. Then a crowd of trespassers acting like fools.

tulc said:

...you do understand there's a difference between "they came with pipe bombs" (which is what was said) and "they used pipe bombs" right? Because you seem to be having a little trouble with that.
tulc(just thought that should be pointed out)

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You seem to have problems understanding the difference between one man having pipe bombs in a truck two blocks away and 10,000 people pushing past the Capitol police to trespass in the building in which the only shooting was the police shooting an unarmed protester climbing through a window.

You are ignoring the inconvenient facts about what really happened. Yes the trespassers should be charged with trespassing and the vandals should be charged with vandalism and the person/persons that assaulted the officer should be charged with manslaughter (or whatever charge is appropriate to their intent). However an unarmed mob pushing past the police is not an armed insurrection.

atpollard said:

Let’s talk about the deaths:


Brian Sicknick: Capitol Police officer brawling with protestors was struck with a fire extinguisher and later died of complications from the head injury.

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Officer Sicknick was an Airforce vet.

Albion said:

That particular person, black or white, isn't as important to understanding the incident as that there are beginning to be a number of non-Trump people apprehended as part of the mob that did actually assault the Capitol--posers, infiltrators, professional rioters--who used (as you may have noticed right away from the videos) techniques typical of Antifa but not of outraged mobs in general.

And along with the proof that the President' speech literally COULD NOT HAVE inspired any group hearing it to have then attacked the Capitol, the fact that all of this was not as was first reported in the media is becoming clear.

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Is this the same as the evidence of massive voter fraud?

atpollard said:

If this had been a BLM protest that trespassed on a State Capital in Illinois and did exactly what these people did, would this have even made the news?

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Yes. Would it have gotten as much coverage in the national news as a riot at the nation's Capitol? Probably not.

There is a big difference between Springfield, IL, and Washington, DC. I don't know why you even think the situations would be equitable.

atpollard said:

Not by Biden, but can you say the same for AOC and Pelosi and Maxine?

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They aren't the president of the United States. There aren't rough men with weapons under oath to follow their orders.

I don't know why you think the two are even equitable.

atpollard said:

You seem to have problems understanding the difference between one man having pipe bombs in a truck two blocks away and 10,000 people pushing past the Capitol police to trespass in the building in which the only shooting was the police shooting an unarmed protester climbing through a window. (snip)

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...so that would be: "I'm going to ignore what was actually said in the post I quoted and instead pretend that the presence of pipe bombs and Molotov cocktails were wholly unrelated to the huge crowd attacking the Capitol building because they weren't used."?
tulc(is just making sure that's atpollard's point)

Desk trauma said:

Officer Sicknick was an Airforce vet.

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I didn’t know that about him. I did know that he was the Police officer killed and from all reports a happy and positive guy. No argument from me that whoever struck him in the head with a fire extinguisher was completely in the wrong to do so and should and likely will be prosecuted for his crime.

tulc said:

...so that would be: "I'm going to ignore what was actually said in the post I quoted and instead pretend that the presence of pipe bombs and Molotov cocktails were wholly unrelated to the huge crowd attacking the Capitol building because they weren't used."?
tulc(is just making sure that's atpollard's point)

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Once again you miss the not so subtle difference between

• The crowd had bombs but did not use them.
• The crowd did not have bombs but one man in a truck two blocks away did have bombs.

There is an Armory with tanks located in Washington. That was nearby as well, so should we just go ahead and claim that the people drove tanks into the Capitol building?

Why let a few blocks or reality spoil the narrative?

Arrest people for what they had and what they did, not for what they did not have but could have had if things had been different and what they did not do. The police did the shooting, not the crowd. The crowd did the vandalism and they did it without any bombs.

RDKirk said:

Yes. Would it have gotten as much coverage in the national news as a riot at the nation's Capitol? Probably not.

There is a big difference between Springfield, IL, and Washington, DC. I don't know why you even think the situations would be equitable.

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Ok, on what dates have protesters trespassed and vandalized Government buildings in 2020?

You seem to think every instance would have made the national news. I disagree.

Albion said:

....And along with the proof that the President' speech literally COULD NOT HAVE inspired any group hearing it to have then attacked the Capitol....

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...unless you were already well worked up by months of "stolen election!" nonsense.

atpollard said:

However an unarmed mob pushing past the police is not an armed insurrection.

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This guy looks armed.

RDKirk said: ↑
Yes. Would it have gotten as much coverage in the national news as a riot at the nation's Capitol? Probably not.

There is a big difference between Springfield, IL, and Washington, DC. I don't know why you even think the situations would be equitable.

atpollard said:

Ok, on what dates have protesters trespassed and vandalized Government buildings in 2020?

You seem to think every instance would have made the national news. I disagree.

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That didn't make any sense with regard to my post.