The Sword Of Goliath
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Are you sure? Is that what he needed at that moment? Your responses seem to lack any insight,
but someone may appreciate you stating the obvious, so thanks for the contribution to the discussion.
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I’m sure because that’s what’s implied for the text. You are wanting to read something into it that can’t be supported.
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So the point was, David wanted a sword, David got a sword. Check. I'll leave it at that for now. Thanks.
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It is all relational to the process happening in him (and regardless whether we see it), in us.
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I'm having a disconnect with does 1+1=2 vs what does 2 mean?
I guess my first question is how can I apply this later?
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Proverbs 19:21. Many are the plans in the mind of a man,
but it is the purpose of the LORD that will stand.
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The purpose of the Lord, what has the Lord purposed us to do based on the implied lesson in the OP?
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David was in a difficult situation. He requested a weapon. He was offered Goliath's sword,
which was stored behind an ephod, by which the priest could have enquired of the Lord on
his behalf. David does not enquire of the Lord. There were tragic consequences...
I am being told that I am reading things into the narrative, but surely there is a lesson for us
in the scriptures. Maybe you can find something and let me know.
This is immediately preceded by David asking the same priest for bread. Using this standard, I can only conclude David needed bread, David asked for bread, David got bread. And yet this narrative comes
up in the Gospels. Yeshua teaches a lesson. Is it clear to us? Why does He say David went into the
house of God of Abiathar the high priest? Questions worth seeking an answer for, because The Lord
uses these OT examples as lessons.
Mark 2:
23 Now it happened that He went through the grainfields on the Sabbath; and as they went His
disciples began to pluck the heads of grain.
24 And the Pharisees said to Him, “Look, why do they do what is not lawful on the Sabbath?”
25 But He said to them, “Have you never read what David did when he was in need and hungry,
he and those with him: (1 Samuel 21).
26 how he went into the house of God of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the showbread, which
is not lawful to eat except for the priests, and also gave some to those who were with him?”
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So asking for bread, not a big deal and the lesson is god desires mercy not sacrifice.David was in a difficult situation. He requested a weapon. He was offered Goliath's sword,
which was stored behind an ephod, by which the priest could have enquired of the Lord on
his behalf. David does not enquire of the Lord. There were tragic consequences...
I am being told that I am reading things into the narrative, but surely there is a lesson for us
in the scriptures. Maybe you can find something and let me know.
This is immediately preceded by David asking the same priest for bread. Using this standard, I can only concludeavid needed bread, David asked for bread, David got bread. And yet this narrative comes
up in the Gospels. Yeshua teaches a lesson. Is it clear to us? Why does He say David went into the
house of God of Abiathar the high priest? Questions worth seeking an answer for, because The Lord
uses these OT examples as lessons.
Mark 2:
23 Now it happened that He went through the grainfields on the Sabbath; and as they went His
disciples began to pluck the heads of grain.
24 And the Pharisees said to Him, “Look, why do they do what is not lawful on the Sabbath?”
25 But He said to them, “Have you never read what David did when he was in need and hungry,
he and those with him: (1 Samuel 21).
26 how he went into the house of God of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the showbread, which
is not lawful to eat except for the priests, and also gave some to those who were with him?”
But asking for sword, a big deal because he didn't pray first.
Lesson from this post is, if acquiring deadly weaponry to protect yourself - pray first.
I'll reflect on that, praying before everyone is indeed important - and it is not written in the text whether David prayed or didn't pray - it simply isn't written.
Since the adultery case was the only thing God held against David - what is being imagined in this thread is probably wrong - at the very least, God didn't hold it against Him.
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The bread was a big deal, as the priest was carrying sanctified bread from the Lord's Sanctuary.
Yeshua uses this as a lesson in the Gospels.
This is not simply saying a prayer.
In the scriptures, whenever David enquired of the Lord, by ephod or by prophet, the Lord
responded to Him. In this circumstance, the priest had an ephod, but David did not enquire of the Lord, or the narrative would have provided the instructions, as they always do.
Not simply because of deadly weaponry, but because David's circumstances were dire.
His actions led to that village being destroyed, so there is some purpose resulting.
The Lord's purpose is what we seek in the narrative of scriptures.
There is so much more to these events.
For example, there are at least two Psalms that came out from this experience.
I haven't imagined anything.
The point of the OP is to seek and find from the scriptures.
You expect to see, 1 +1 = 2. I have never found that to be the case.
I wish you well in the seeking, and finding.
Proverbs 25:2. It is the glory of God to conceal a matter,
But the glory of kings is to search out a matter.
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Got it, pray instead of using an elaborate, man-made, intimidating, carnal weapon like words out-of-the-mouth. (known as a "sword" in the Bible)David was in a difficult situation. He requested a weapon. He was offered Goliath's sword,
which was stored behind an ephod, by which the priest could have enquired of the Lord on
his behalf. David does not enquire of the Lord. There were tragic consequences...
I am being told that I am reading things into the narrative, but surely there is a lesson for us
in the scriptures. Maybe you can find something and let me know.
This is immediately preceded by David asking the same priest for bread. Using this standard, I can only conclude
up in the Gospels. Yeshua teaches a lesson. Is it clear to us? Why does He say David went into the
house of God of Abiathar the high priest? Questions worth seeking an answer for, because The Lord
uses these OT examples as lessons.
Mark 2:
23 Now it happened that He went through the grainfields on the Sabbath; and as they went His
disciples began to pluck the heads of grain.
24 And the Pharisees said to Him, “Look, why do they do what is not lawful on the Sabbath?”
25 But He said to them, “Have you never read what David did when he was in need and hungry,
he and those with him: (1 Samuel 21).
26 how he went into the house of God of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the showbread, which
is not lawful to eat except for the priests, and also gave some to those who were with him?”
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What happens when they find out there is a man behind the curtain?Many have asked that same question.
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In any case, the scripture does say that David was found blameless in every matter except for that one where he had sex with another man's wife and then had him killed.
So there's nothing to find.
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As I said, there remains much to tell in this story.
1 Samuel 22:
20 Now one of the sons of Ahimelech the son of Ahitub, named Abiathar, escaped and fled after David.
21 And Abiathar told David that Saul had killed the Lord’s priests.
22 So David said to Abiathar, “I knew that day, when Doeg the Edomite was there, that he would
surely tell Saul. I have caused the death of all the persons of your father’s house.
23 Stay with me; do not fear. For he who seeks my life seeks your life, but with me you shall be safe.
Guilt and regret often follow us, as well as repercussions much later. Abiathar eventually followed
Adonijah against his brother Solomon.
1 Kings 1:
5 Then Adonijah the son of Haggith exalted himself, saying, “I will be king”; and he prepared for
himself chariots and horsemen, and fifty men to run before him.
6 (And his father had not rebuked him at any time by saying, “Why have you done so?” He was
also very good-looking. His mother had borne him after Absalom.)
7 Then he conferred with Joab the son of Zeruiah and with Abiathar the priest, and they
followed and helped Adonijah.
Solomon showed him mercy in only banishing him.
1 Kings 2:
26 And to Abiathar the priest the king said, “Go to Anathoth, to your own fields, for you are
deserving of death; but I will not put you to death at this time, because you carried the ark of
the Lord God before my father David, and because you were afflicted every time my father was afflicted.”
27 So Solomon removed Abiathar from being priest to the Lord, that he might fulfill the word of the Lord which He spoke concerning the house of Eli at Shiloh.
The repercussions of seeking a weapon rather than enquiring of the Lord continued beyond
David's lifetime.
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We have a similar thing today.
In the early church there were these councils to determine what Christians really believe. Among the statements were a number anathema statements stating, if you don't believe what we do - damn you to hell.
We still have repercussions today based on these decisions, part of these is the attitude in the above post.
Jesus forgave us, so forgive.
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