WHY DOES LUKE 16:2,3,4 THE WORD DISPENSATION ?

garee · Jan 8, 2021

Dan Perez said:
Hi and in Jer 3:8 that Christ gives Israel a BILL OF DIVORCE and it means that Christ was MARRIED TO Israel and to Judah ?

By the way the Heb words words COMMITTED ADULTERY / NA'APH is in the Heb PERFECT TENSE and means that from that point in time Israel and Judah would always be divorced !!

So can Christ have to BRIDES is your question ??

Do you know where Paul calls the BODY OF CHRIST A BRIDE or did I miss it ??

dan p

Hi thanks for the reply.

The bride of Christ is Christian the new name our father named the wife of Christ the church .She is made up of all the nations of the world.

Previously he called the born again bride , Israel .The first recorded member is Abel. Abel the first recorded apostle as martyr also.

Having Jewish flesh provides no advantage.

The law of faith is : if an man of any nation has not the born again Spirit the spiritual seed of Christ ,. . . they simply do not belong to him

A bill of divorce means not all Jews like all of mankind.(Hebrew 6) They heard the word of God shared in the things of the Holy Spirit but in the end they crucified him over and over subjecting him to public shame .(no faith) This was as if one demonstration was not enough. The same kind of unbelieving Jew in the same place of a gentile found today.(no Spirit of Christ in them working with them to both will and empower them to believe. They have another teaching authority other than all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura ) called; "I heard it through the grape vine" as oral traditions of mankind.

Joseph had in mind to put away Mary. A divorce decree was needed even if the wedding had not been consummated.

Matthew 1:18-20 King James Version (KJV)Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily. But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

On this side of the cross the demonstration what God has joined together let no man call separate.

In that way as new creatures Christians are prepared for the wedding supper this is when we do receive our new incorruptible bodies, the consummation of the promise. The end of this dying world system.

Dan Perez · Jan 8, 2021

garee said:
Hi thanks for the reply.

The bride of Christ is Christian the new name our father named the wife of Christ the church .She is made up of all the nations of the world.

Previously he called the born again bride , Israel .The first recorded member is Abel. Abel the first recorded apostle as martyr also.

Having Jewish flesh provides no advantage.

The law of faith is : if an man of any nation has not the born again Spirit the spiritual seed of Christ ,. . . they simply do not belong to him

A bill of divorce means not all Jews like all of mankind.(Hebrew 6) They heard the word of God shared in the things of the Holy Spirit but in the end they crucified him over and over subjecting him to public shame .(no faith) This was as if one demonstration was not enough. The same kind of unbelieving Jew in the same place of a gentile found today.(no Spirit of Christ in them working with them to both will and empower them to believe. They have another teaching authority other than all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura ) called; "I heard it through the grape vine" as oral traditions of mankind.

Joseph had in mind to put away Mary. A divorce decree was needed even if the wedding had not been consummated.

Matthew 1:18-20 King James Version (KJV)Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily. But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

On this side of the cross the demonstration what God has joined together let no man call separate.

In that way as new creatures Christians are prepared for the wedding supper this is when we do receive our new incorruptible bodies, the consummation of the promise. The end of this dying world system.

Hi and your did not comment on my post #21 !!

And since you wrote of Heb 6 , WHY are the Jews to LEAVE / FORSAKE the teaching AND DOCTRINE OF CHRIST ?

dan p

garee · Jan 8, 2021

Dan Perez said:
Hi and your did not comment on my post #21 !!

And since you wrote of Heb 6 , WHY are the Jews to LEAVE / FORSAKE the teaching AND DOCTRINE OF CHRIST ?

dan p

God does not treat the Jews any differently then the gentiles .He is not served by the corrupted hand as a will of mankind .It as never about corrupted dying flesh and blood against corrupted flesh and blood .But is always in respect to the eternal not seen. As sons of God called born again Christians which we are we know not what we will be. No man has receive the promise of a glorious new body that will never die . As believers we do know it will be neither male not female Jew nor gentile. The unconverted Gentile stands guilty in the same place of uncovered Israel . Not all of Israel are sons of God.

1 John 3:1-2Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Again if any man has not the born again Spirit of Christ then neither are a new creature awaiting the promise as sons of God .

Galatians 3:28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

garee · Jan 8, 2021

Dan Perez said:
Hi and your did not comment on my post #21 !!

And since you wrote of Heb 6 , WHY are the Jews to LEAVE / FORSAKE the teaching AND DOCTRINE OF CHRIST ?

dan p

God did not divorce those outward Jews who remained as a chaste virgin .subject to all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura) describing those having no other gods before our Father the anointing Holy Spirit of Christ, of God . Their graves were opened when the veil was rent. They are asleep awaiting the wake up call on the last day .. . Rise shine and receive your new incorruptible bodies.

Again espoused to be married. That marriage will not be consummated or carried out until the new order. These temporal times under the sun will not be remembered or ever come to mind.

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Did you mean WHY did the Jews to LEAVE / FORSAKE the teaching AND DOCTRINE OF CHRIST ? It would appear no God of the scriptures in their hearts foolish ones called atheists' or fools .

Dan Perez · Jan 9, 2021

garee said:
God did not divorce those outward Jews who remained as a chaste virgin .subject to all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura) describing those having no other gods before our Father the anointing Holy Spirit of Christ, of God . Their graves were opened when the veil was rent. They are asleep awaiting the wake up call on the last day .. . Rise shine and receive your new incorruptible bodies.

Again espoused to be married. That marriage will not be consummated or carried out until the new order. These temporal times under the sun will not be remembered or ever come to mind.

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Did you mean WHY did the Jews to LEAVE / FORSAKE the teaching AND DOCTRINE OF CHRIST ? It would appear no God of the scriptures in their hearts foolish ones called atheists' or fools .

imerHi and the Greek word NAVE ESPOUSED/ HATMOZO primary , is JOINED , FIT TOGETHER !!

And this Greek word is in the Greek AORIST TENSE , MIDDLE VOICE and in the INDICATIVE MOOD !!

The AORIST TENSE mean that it has happened , the JOINNING together has happened already !!

And the INDICATIVE MOOD means that this JOINING is a FACT !

No where does it say that the BODY OF CHRIST , marries CHRIST , PERIOD !!

dan p

garee · Jan 9, 2021

Dan Perez said:
imerHi and the Greek word NAVE ESPOUSED/ HATMOZO primary , is JOINED , FIT TOGETHER !!

And this Greek word is in the Greek AORIST TENSE , MIDDLE VOICE and in the INDICATIVE MOOD !!

The AORIST TENSE mean that it has happened , the JOINNING together has happened already !!

And the INDICATIVE MOOD means that this JOINING is a FACT !

No where does it say that the BODY OF CHRIST , marries CHRIST , PERIOD !!

dan p

Yes as sons of God which we are, we have that joining together as the end of our new born again faith but us as new creatures male and female, Jew and gentile we are not what we will be when the wedding is consummated and virtue is seen at its highest glory. Virtue the uniting of two was lost in the garden and is found in the chaste virgin bride the church.

There seems to be a parable that supports that conclusion . "Who touched me ? virtue has went out before its time". .

Luke 8:45 And Jesus said, Who touched me? When all denied, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude throng thee and press thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me.

Psalm 105:15 Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.

1 Corinthians 7:1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

The examples applies to all believers male and female .We cannot consummate our new born again spirit while in the earthen bodies of death .

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

it would seem male and female, Jew and gentile will be a forgotten thing of the past. Now is the time we can offer our good works Christ in us working with us .Our Emanuel .

garee · Jan 13, 2021

Dan Perez said:
imerHi and the Greek word NAVE ESPOUSED/ HATMOZO primary , is JOINED , FIT TOGETHER !!

And this Greek word is in the Greek AORIST TENSE , MIDDLE VOICE and in the INDICATIVE MOOD !!

The AORIST TENSE mean that it has happened , the JOINNING together has happened already !!

And the INDICATIVE MOOD means that this JOINING is a FACT !

No where does it say that the BODY OF CHRIST , marries CHRIST , PERIOD !!

dan p

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

I am not saying we have not received the end of our new born again faith. . the salvation of our soul. But not one son of God as the bride has receive the propmised new incorruptible bodies (Hebrew 11;40)

The consummation or bringing together of the ESPOUSED. Then withe bride of Christ the church will be made perfect virtuous that was destroyed in the garden will be made complete.

An example of one below who got ahead of their own selves as if virtue had already been given and the end had come .

A reminder to us to do the work and be patient.

Mark 5:29-31 King James Version (KJV)And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague. And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes? And his disciples said unto him, Thou seest the multitude thronging thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?

Dan Perez · Jan 13, 2021

garee said:
1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

I am not saying we have not received the end of our new born again faith. . the salvation of our soul. But not one son of God as the bride has receive the propmised new incorruptible bodies (Hebrew 11;40)

The consummation or bringing together of the ESPOUSED. Then withe bride of Christ the church will be made perfect virtuous that was destroyed in the garden will be made complete.

An example of one below who got ahead of their own selves as if virtue had already been given and the end had come .

A reminder to us to do the work and be patient.

Mark 5:29-31 King James Version (KJV)And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague. And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes? And his disciples said unto him, Thou seest the multitude thronging thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?

Hi and since you like 1 John 3:1 , explain verse 9 , that whosoever IS BORN OF GOD , doth not COMMIT SIN !!

dan p

pescador · Jan 16, 2021

garee said:
1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

I am not saying we have not received the end of our new born again faith. . the salvation of our soul. But not one son of God as the bride has receive the propmised new incorruptible bodies (Hebrew 11;40)

The consummation or bringing together of the ESPOUSED. Then withe bride of Christ the church will be made perfect virtuous that was destroyed in the garden will be made complete.

An example of one below who got ahead of their own selves as if virtue had already been given and the end had come .

A reminder to us to do the work and be patient.

Mark 5:29-31 King James Version (KJV)And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague. And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes? And his disciples said unto him, Thou seest the multitude thronging thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?

Here is a translation of the verse you cited in the English that is in use today, not the Englyshe of 400+ years ago that nobody uses as their regular language (and is thus misinterpreted constantly):

"Immediately her bleeding stopped and she felt in her body that she was freed from her suffering.

At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, “Who touched my clothes?”

“You see the people crowding against you,” his disciples answered, “and yet you can ask, ‘Who touched me?’ ”

In your Bible version...

1) What is "the fountain of her blood"? In English, it's "...her bleeding"
2) Notice that "virtue" had not gone out of Him but power. How does "virtue" leave Christ?
3) What does "... turned him about in the press" mean?

BTW, thank you for at least not including the verse numbers that are NOT part of Scripture.

Dan Perez · Jul 3, 2021

garee said:
God does not treat the Jews any differently then the gentiles .He is not served by the corrupted hand as a will of mankind .It as never about corrupted dying flesh and blood against corrupted flesh and blood .But is always in respect to the eternal not seen. As sons of God called born again Christians which we are we know not what we will be. No man has receive the promise of a glorious new body that will never die . As believers we do know it will be neither male not female Jew nor gentile. The unconverted Gentile stands guilty in the same place of uncovered Israel . Not all of Israel are sons of God.

1 John 3:1-2Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Again if any man has not the born again Spirit of Christ then neither are a new creature awaiting the promise as sons of God .

Galatians 3:28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And in 2 Cor 5:17 reads , Therefore , if any man BE in Christ , he is a NEW CREATURE and Gal 3:28 says we ARE /ESTE " in Christ " and the Greek word ARE/ESTE is in the Greek Present Tense , and in the Indicative Mood and the Present Tense means that we are Continually " in Christ " and the Indicative Mood means it is a Fact .

Then in Eph 2:6 reads And has raised us us up together and made us to sit together in the heavenlies with Christ .

The Greek words HATH RAISED US UP TOGETHER / SYGKATHIZO is also in the Greek past tense and we are all seated right now , in the heavenlies with Christ Jesus is in the Dative case is a point of reference .

In Gal the Greek word neither is a Disjunctive Particle , Negative , so the word means , that there Can not be NEITHER Jew or Greek , Free , Bond and neither male not Female as we are a New Creation .

dan p

Clare73 · Jul 3, 2021

Dan Perez said:
Hi to all and in Luke 16:2 uses the Greek word OIKONOMIA / STEWARDSHIP a noun in the GENITIVE CASE ?
Then in the same verse uses nthe Greek word STEWARD / OIKONOMEO and it seems similar .
In verse 3 the words THE STEWARD/ OIKONOMOS is used !
Then in the same verse , THE STEWARDSHIP/ OIKONOMIA the Greek word here is the Greek word DISPENSATION , but in the ACCUSAITIVE CASE which to means that DISPENSATION is LIMITED to this STEWARD in verse 3.

And in verse 4 , that when he is put out OF THE STEWARDSHIP/ OIKONOMIA /DISPENSATION is in the GENITIVE CASE which means that this STEWARDSHIP / DISPENSATION belongs to this steward .
How will you reconcile Luke 16: 2,3,4,?

Yep. . .

In the Greek, "dispensation" is not a period or epoch, but a mode of dealing, an arrangement or admininstration of affairs (dispensation of law, dispenstion of grace).

"Dispensation" (Gr: oikonomia) means stewardship (oikos=house, nomos=law) law or arrangement of a house; i.e., managment of a household or household affairs. Paul applies it to the
stewardship (dispensation) entrusted to him of preaching the gospel (1 Corinthians 9:7), to the

stewardhip (dispensation) commited to him to "fulfill the word of God" (Colossians 1:25), the fulfillment being the unfolding of the completion of the divinely arranged and imparted cycle of truths which are consummated in the truth relating to the church as the body of Christ, to the

grace of God gvien him as a stewardship (dispensation) in regard to the same mystery (Ephesians 3:2), to the

arrangement or admininstrtion (fellowship) by God, by which in the fulness of the times (seasons) God will sum up all things in the heavens and on earth in Christ (Ephesians 1:10, Ephesians 3:9) "fellowship" (koinonia) in 1 Timothy 1:4.

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