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I was baptised in a protestant church, so my exposure is merely protestant.

"Merely Protestant"? Why "merely"? A Protestant exposure to Christianity is as good as any other sort of exposure.

The problem with protestant is that we the bible only mindset, we are proud of our reformation in the 16th century, and that can makes us bias and willing to open up to the true christianity.

Sola Scriptura - Scripture alone - is not a problem but an answer and a very good one. There is no "true Christianity" except that Christianity described in the Bible.

The sad part about protestantism it is a mess, each denomination interpret their bible in their own way and no true unity btw them, each claim they are right and know how to read the bible best, this open up to false teaching and invite wolves into the churches.

??? I'm afraid you're speaking from ignorance, here. In the city where I live, Baptists, E-Free, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Missionary Alliance, Calvary Temple, and many non-denominations all hold to the same set of fundamental doctrines of the faith. They differ in peripherals - organizational structure, cultural heritage, eschatology, ministry focus, etc. - not in essentials. The "mess" you assert exists is more assumed than real.

so how does one find truth in Christianity. i don't deny the authority of the bible but i'm interested in the correct interpretation of the bible. that being said I've to read the early christian writings, read tons of theologian from different branch of christianity including roman catholic and eastern orthodox, study hard about church history.. right? I was an ostrich I mainly listen to whosoever pastor me in a church, I think it's time for me to do my due diligence. What are some of the advice I can get for those who have went through it?

Learn about proper biblical hermeneutics. A popular-level treatment of this topic can be found in the book, "How to Read the Bible for All Its Worth" by Gordon D. Fee and Douglas Stuart. This would be a good place to start in learning how to properly interpret Scripture.

Be discipled. Find a mature, godly man - not one who is merely knowledgeable about the faith but living it out - and have him walk with you for a time into a deeper understanding and experience of God.

Don't get all your spiritual food "pre-chewed." Study the Bible for yourself. There are excellent software packages online you can purchase for this sort of study. I would recommend WordSearch which has recently folded into Logos Faithlife Bible study website. A huge spectrum of Bible study tools is offered to any level of student of Scripture.
 
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In the city where I live, Baptists, E-Free, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Missionary Alliance, Calvary Temple, and many non-denominations all hold to the same set of fundamental doctrines of the faith. They differ in peripherals - organizational structure, cultural heritage, eschatology, ministry focus, etc. - not in essentials. The "mess" you assert exists is more assumed than real.
It's true. While the various Protestant denominations differ in some ways, they agree in many more ways. And as for making the supposed "mess" of Protestantism a reason for rejecting all reformed churches in favor of one of the unreformed ones, the fact is that none of the Catholic type churches agrees with the others. In reality, Catholicism is more of a mess in that respect than Protestantism is!
 
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The answer depends upon what you expect. If you expect an inerrant source of truth, I think you're out of luck. The 16th Cent Catholic critique of sola scripture was basically the same as in the OP. I think it’s right. But I don’t think Catholic tradition has any better claim to that.

If you don’t demand inerrancy, and are willing to treat knowledge in Christianity the same as other kinds of knowledge, then I think mainline Christianity (which includes a lot of Catholics) is a pretty good answer. People using the same critical methods that are used in science and scholarship of other kinds have come to a reasonable understanding of what Scripture means. I don’t mean perfect agreement. That’s what you give up in not claiming perfect, inerrant truth.

The problem with this approach is that it often doesn’t come to the same conclusion as Tradition, whether it’s Protestant or Catholic Tradition. But you take your choice. If you want inerrant knowledge, you get buried in contradictory traditions. If you’re OK with the same kind of knowledge we have elsewhere, it’s available.
 
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Prefer to serve God but ultimately doesn't matter as my life was all predestined so hopefully I'll be expended wisely.

Local church has an imported lesbian pastor and the one in the village across the mountain schismed away from their main branch because it was allowing female priests and other overly progressive things. Bit ridiculous considering there's only like two Christians left in the region anyway. Might just keep to myself for now until after the nukes have dropped.

Why "ridiculous," exactly? It sounds like you might have a moral obligation to join that other congregation rather than just retreat from the struggle going on in Christianity at the moment. And those people would most likely love to have your help.
 
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Ridiculous because from an outside view practicing Christians in the visible church exist within a rapidly diminishing bubble yet continue to war amongst themselves over what are, essentially, trivialities. Love God and love thy neighbour seems to cover most bases, and the New Testament offers more than enough necessary, though I understand human creative drive and desire for more.
Okay. I had the impression that you were put off by the changing face of organized Christianity, which is mainly a matter of flabby doctrine. But if you think it doesn't matter what we believe so long as we're nice, I can appreciate why you don't have an interest in being part of either a liberal or a conservative Christian congregation. :)
 
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Ridiculous because from an outside view practicing Christians in the visible church exist within a rapidly diminishing bubble yet continue to war amongst themselves over what are, essentially, trivialities.

I think this is, in no small part, the effect of a Worldly Church, a Church full of "tares," or "false brethren" as the apostle Paul called them. Or the effect of the Church loaded with very carnal Christians (James 3:14-16; James 4:1; 1 Corinthians 3:3). Jesus said that there are few who find the Narrow Way (Matthew 7:14) and I think, as the Church shrinks to its actual size under the pressures of the modern World, we shall see just how few. There will always be, of course, a sort of "State Church," a church of the World, the devil's counterfeit of the real thing, mixing worldly philosophies and values with "spirituality" and calling it Christianity. But it's relatively easy for a genuine - and mature - believer to discern this false Church, I think.

it's a religion centred around a man who died and came back to life better than before

Um, I would amend this statement a bit: It's a relationship centered around a God-Man who died and rose from the dead in a glorified state. "Better than before" can be construed in various ways. The only way, though, in which Jesus was "better" post-resurrection was in his being in a glorified body.
 
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How do you become Christ-like apart from the hard-core truth?
It's the work of the Holy Spirit. There is a lot more involved than learning the Bible. Very often we learn by failure. We need to know that our thoughts, ambitions, plans and methods are God's. I know a Christian who sells real estate. He is very good and has made a lot of money. It is also an obsession now. You won't find "thou shalt not sell real estate" in the Bible. I warned him, I believe at the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, that it was a spiritually risky line of work. He politely told me how good he was and that it would not affect his Christian life. He got the first bit right. He's now aloof and superior, as I could see coming a mile off.

He will come unstuck. He will go to God and find out where he went wrong. Something of his self will dies and something of Christ takes its place. God changes by exchange, new life for old. For sure God's word is vital, but if we do not heed His word, He uses circumstances (as CS Lewis eloquently put it: "God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is His megaphone to rouse a deaf world.")
 
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Most churchgoers tend to be either very young or very old here, with the majority of churches in my city turned into pubs, nightclubs, student residences or even a casino. Even a few left to ruin (like, some of the more recent ones, obvs a lot of ruins in Scotland). A place once renowned for it's faith and learning, the two traditionally having gone hand in hand.
This state of affairs displeases me, and I don't think a happy can do attitude will address that even if it does help, nor does warring with each other too hard help. Some balance so the fire and soul is stoked, but not so hard that it sours the goodness inherent ie a good healthy debate is nourishing to the mind, heart and soul.
Yes, I can appreciate that and the rest of what you added to it. What I thought was that you were sympathetic to the reasons for that group in the next village having broken away and formed a different congregation/parish. If that were the case, some people would think that you really ought to support them, even as weak as that congregation is. But it's just a thought; we needn't argue over it.

What I've read of the invisible church sounds promising however, even if I dislike cloak and dagger shenanigans for being so, well, sneaky and treacherous as anything good and true would be open and honest.
However, the invisible church is just a concept. It's not some kind of underground church. When the term is used it simply means that all baptized and professing Christians are part of a great assembly of disciples of Christ regardless of denomination, etc.

Not to say there'd be no need of a visible church either ofc, to offer some structure and as the boots on the ground infantry.
That's it. I guess what I'm saying is that anyone who is a member of the invisible church and recognizes what all this means, really ought not to opt out of the visible church unless there really is no viable and straight-thinking choice available. And I don't really know if that other congregation does match up.
 
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I was baptised in a protestant church, so my exposure is merely protestant. The problem with protestant is that we the bible only mindset, we are proud of our reformation in the 16th century, and that can makes us bias and willing to open up to the true christianity. The sad part about protestantism it is a mess, each denomination interpret their bible in their own way and no true unity btw them, each claim they are right and know how to read the bible best, this open up to false teaching and invite wolves into the churches.

so how does one find truth in Christianity. i don't deny the authority of the bible but i'm interested in the correct interpretation of the bible. that being said I've to read the early christian writings, read tons of theologian from different branch of christianity including roman catholic and eastern orthodox, study hard about church history.. right? I was an ostrich I mainly listen to whosoever pastor me in a church, I think it's time for me to do my due diligence. What are some of the advice I can get for those who have went through it?
You will find the truth in Jesus Christ of Nazareth. He is the WORD. Only then will you walk faithfully with His Holy Spirit who will guild you through the branches of confusion onto the narrow road we all so desperately seek to stay on.Be blessed.
 
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What are some of the advice I can get for those who have went through it?
" Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." ( 2 Timothy 2:15 ).
 
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It's the work of the Holy Spirit. There is a lot more involved than learning the Bible. Very often we learn by failure. We need to know that our thoughts, ambitions, plans and methods are God's. I know a Christian who sells real estate. He is very good and has made a lot of money. It is also an obsession now. You won't find "thou shalt not sell real estate" in the Bible. I warned him, I believe at the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, that it was a spiritually risky line of work. He politely told me how good he was and that it would not affect his Christian life. He got the first bit right. He's now aloof and superior, as I could see coming a mile off.

He will come unstuck. He will go to God and find out where he went wrong. Something of his self will dies and something of Christ takes its place. God changes by exchange, new life for old. For sure God's word is vital, but if we do not heed His word, He uses circumstances (as CS Lewis eloquently put it: "God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is His megaphone to rouse a deaf world.")
No truth? Just a beanie with a propeller?
 
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I'm very happy being a Protestant. I am proud of our Reformation because it exposed things in the Church that needed to be changed and should have been changed long before the Reformation even happened. The Reformation was started not to start a revolt or to cause trouble but to bring Biblical Christianity back that was lost from the days of the Apostles.

But, you're right. There are a lot of denominations and each one declares they are right just like I say that the Reformers had the right interpretation of scripture in the first place. The Reformers started the five Sola's including Sola Scriptura and started from there so really, if you want Biblical Christianity I would start with Reformed Theology and join a good Reformed Church. Study up on Luther, Calvin and Zwingli's writings. It's where Protestantism started and was the main Protestant theology for 400+ years running. But, even now there are a lot of Reformed Protestant Churches around and it's starting to make a comeback among people as Christ's return is drawing ever closer.

But, as a proud Protestant and Calvinist I'm naturally going to recommend Protestantism to you. It's up to you to decipher for yourself which preachers and theologians are teaching the words of the Apostles because, the Apostles would have the correct interpretation of scripture, yes? Considering they wrote the New Testament, walked with Christ, and started Christianity in the first place.
 
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How does one find true Christianity? Jesus couldn't have made it simpler. He founded one Church, said it was to remain one, and promised that one Church "The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth", and "Whatsoever you bind upon Earth is bound in Heaven", and "He who hears you hears Me". Anyone who reads the Bible should know this. And His followers enjoyed that fullness of truth in unity for 1,500 years, before one proud misguided man thought he could do a better job of interpreting the Bible than the Church that had compiled the Bible from its own writings, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Before Luther died, there were already half a dozen other denominations that had separated from his church because they didn't agree with his biblical interpretations. The doctrinal chaos of Protestantism had begun. Today there are over 6,000 denominations, each claiming to follow "the Bible alone", yet the teaching of each one contradicting the teaching of the others. And that doesn't even include the 20,000+ so-called "non-denominational" Protestant churches. Truth cannot conflict with truth, so obviously untruth is rampant in this manmade tradition. Meanwhile, the one Church Jesus founded remains one in belief, one in teaching, one in worship, one in biblical interpretation after 2,000 years, still teaching the fullness of His truth throughout the world, just as He promised it would.
 
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How does one find true Christianity? Jesus couldn't have made it simpler. He founded one Church, said it was to remain one, and promised that one Church "The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth", and "Whatsoever you bind upon Earth is bound in Heaven", and "He who hears you hears Me". Anyone who reads the Bible should know this. And His followers enjoyed that fullness of truth in unity for 1,500 years, before one proud misguided man thought he could do a better job of interpreting the Bible than the Church that had compiled the Bible from its own writings, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Before Luther died, there were already half a dozen other denominations that had separated from his church because they didn't agree with his biblical interpretations. The doctrinal chaos of Protestantism had begun. Today there are over 6,000 denominations, each claiming to follow "the Bible alone", yet the teaching of each one contradicting the teaching of the others. And that doesn't even include the 20,000+ so-called "non-denominational" Protestant churches. Truth cannot conflict with truth, so obviously untruth is rampant in this manmade tradition. Meanwhile, the one Church Jesus founded remains one in belief, one in teaching, one in worship, one in biblical interpretation after 2,000 years, still teaching the fullness of His truth throughout the world, just as He promised it would.
The Church is made up of believers only. They are scattered throughout all of Christendom. But as Jesus said they are few in number. What we see today are the tares that pass themselves off as believers but are not in any true sense.
 
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It's...complicated. Sin is apparently universal and I'm disinclined to judge anyone too harshly rn while there's a psychic storm brewing and I'm still not in full possession of all the facts, beyond trying to understand a little of why people and reality seems to have gone a bit off. Sure everyone is just trying their best with what they know and their hearts are in the right places, and it will work out for the best.

Something's gone awry here. I didn't write the quotation to which you're responding in the above remarks. This is true of the other quotations you address in post #65, too.
 
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The Church is made up of believers only. They are scattered throughout all of Christendom. But as Jesus said they are few in number. What we see today are the tares that pass themselves off as believers but are not in any true sense.
In the same way God scattered people at Babel and confounded language, I believe no one (group) is given the whole truth but each contains a piece of it so that no one may claim superiority. That leaves us with the words of Jesus alone and even He spoke of the Kingdom in parables.
 
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I liked the ""God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is His megaphone to rouse a deaf world." quote. Great now I'm an Italic than a Celtic. Bloody Papists.


Thank you for the recommendations and insights, helpful in understanding. Martin Luther King I've been meaning to read up on.

Is it common consensus among Christians of all denominations that Jesus is due a comeback at somepoint soon? It's been hard to get a proper feel for anything of that magnitude and logically Christians would be quite averse to actually bringing it up for fear of reaction to that that they might deem detrimental to their overall faith and the media is, well, the media and not usually representative of Christianity in general anyway.

The signs are certainly pointing in that direction. Nobody knows when Christ will return or how he will return (Rapture or not) but the signs of his return are here.

Christ said that when he returns the days will be like the days of Noah. Read Genesis and see what the world was like, then study our world over the last 60 years or so. We had WWII the most bloodiest conflict in history which was started by Hitler a claiming Protestant. If he was a Protestant though he wouldn't have wanted to execute every Jew on the planet. Considering, Christians come from the Jews and share the same promise from Abraham.

Within the last 60 years we've had several school shootings, the 9/11 terrorist attacks, The terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center before that, the terrorist attacks in London, the US Capitol being infiltrated and they tried to execute the vice president, Obama, Clinton, and President Elect. Princess Diana dying and it being speculated that Prince Charles killed her (They did divorce on horrible terms it wouldn't surprise me), We've had a 15+ year war that's still going on and now there's talks of a Civil War, We've had the Corona Virus that still isn't solved and might not be for another few years, "Christians" on TV insisting we start saying amen and awoman in our prayers and millions of people listening to them, Feminism being a massive global rise, Abortion, On that subject too as of a few years ago its now legal here in New York state to Abort *cough murder* a full term baby. A living breathing baby! Gay Marriage was legalized, There's calls for unity among not only homosexuals, trans-gendered people, cist people, genderless people, transsexuals ...etc. God said there's only two kinds of people, a man and a woman. There's no in between. Trump's people who if you ask me might turn out in the future to be revealed as the AntiChrist (Not kidding). It being so easy to get a divorce these days (something God detests, read the Bible if you don't believe me) you don't even need the signature of both sides, one side can sign and say see ya and you can never see them again. That's so massively unfair and anti Godly that it makes my blood boil. Need I go on? People need to open their eyes. This world is going to hell and we need a savior before we start a global nuclear war and don't have a planet to come back to.


The world is just going crazy and through the tubes. It's a violent, anti Godly society that's only going to get more and more worse as time goes along. Yes, Jesus is coming. I'm just saying, the signs are there. Heaven is full of God's Children and Angels Screaming for Justice from God, It's near. But, how near I cannot say.
 
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I was baptised in a protestant church, so my exposure is merely protestant. The problem with protestant is that we the bible only mindset, we are proud of our reformation in the 16th century, and that can makes us bias and willing to open up to the true christianity. The sad part about protestantism it is a mess, each denomination interpret their bible in their own way and no true unity btw them, each claim they are right and know how to read the bible best, this open up to false teaching and invite wolves into the churches.

so how does one find truth in Christianity. i don't deny the authority of the bible but i'm interested in the correct interpretation of the bible. that being said I've to read the early christian writings, read tons of theologian from different branch of christianity including roman catholic and eastern orthodox, study hard about church history.. right? I was an ostrich I mainly listen to whosoever pastor me in a church, I think it's time for me to do my due diligence. What are some of the advice I can get for those who have went through it?

New Testament: is the only collection of books that have been gone through by my own eyes, but the book of Acts.

The only thing that is impossible for me to articulate fully, is that to know the Revelation has done happened, and the Lord Jesus Christ has already returned.

If you read the bible you are going to see history... of many different places, and you are going to see the history of the things that Jesus Christ himself had said.

Some people believe that Jesus Christ had said things to his disciples that were suppose to happen in the future today, but when Jesus Christ said this generation shall not pass away until all these things are complete...

I believe what he said. All of the history of the bible has been completed, and the end result is the last chapter of Revelation Chapter 22, which is for all people that comes after we die here.

I can't make anyone believe me nor force anyone to submit that my view is correct, they have to come to the realization themselves.

I bank on faith that the afterlife exist anyway, because of faith on God and the Lord Jesus Christ, and that he did what he told his disciples what he was going to do, and came back in 70ad and instated the new spiritual kingdom over the material.

2 Timothy 4: 22 The Lord Jesus Christ be with thy spirit. Grace be with you. Amen.
 
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I was baptised in a protestant church, so my exposure is merely protestant. The problem with protestant is that we the bible only mindset, we are proud of our reformation in the 16th century, and that can makes us bias and willing to open up to the true christianity. The sad part about protestantism it is a mess, each denomination interpret their bible in their own way and no true unity btw them, each claim they are right and know how to read the bible best, this open up to false teaching and invite wolves into the churches.

so how does one find truth in Christianity. i don't deny the authority of the bible but i'm interested in the correct interpretation of the bible. that being said I've to read the early christian writings, read tons of theologian from different branch of christianity including roman catholic and eastern orthodox, study hard about church history.. right? I was an ostrich I mainly listen to whosoever pastor me in a church, I think it's time for me to do my due diligence. What are some of the advice I can get for those who have went through it?

2 Tim. 3:16. 2Tim 2 :15. and pray. A great Lexicon and linguistic tools like Blue letter bible and bible Hub are great ways to grow in your faith and understanding. Stay in the New Testament (especially the epistles) until you are very comfortable with them, then add the gospels, and revelations and acts.

Sadly there are many doctrinal studies out there and they war like the churches do.

But if you want to do some more in depth doctrinal study, the man I have sat under his teaching for 35 years is awesome (to me)

Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum. His website is ariel.org.
There is a great range of materials to buy and also you can click on the link resources, click come and see and you can view, print out and listen to the discipleship materials for free. He also has many semionars He has doen around the world on you tube He is intense and uses loads of scripture in all His teachings. You can be a good berean and check and see if he is correct.

Happy walking with teh Lord! He will reward your efforts with a path through the mess that is modern Christianity!
 
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