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keras said:

So is Tim la Haye, John Hagee, and a raft of other false teachers!
Some, like NT Wright do have good things to say, but their ideas about Bible prophecy up until now, are all wrong.

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What do you think distinguishes LaHaye and Hagee and other modernist futurists from Wright?

Simple.

Harmony with the historical defenders of the true faith.

Harmony that you deny and reject.

keras said:

The KJV, dearly beloved by most; doesn't.

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You need an eye examination ASAP.

Hebrews 8 KJV
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

keras said:

But anyway Hebrews 8:6 is referring to how Jesus is now our Mediator of the New Covenant, NOT that the NC was in force from His death.

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Yes, of course Jesus is now our Mediator of the New Covenant.
And when did He begin to be that Mediator?

Hebrews 9
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

keras said:

Why don't you answer; When was the new Covenant actually made between Jesus and the Christian peoples?

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Hebrews 9
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

mkgal1 said:

What does the Cross mean to you, if not God's forgiveness of sin? It's more than just the possibility to forgive. Remember John's announcement of Jesus?

John 1:29
Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!​

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John quoted directly from Daniel. He understood.

keras said:

When was the new Covenant actually made between Jesus and the Christian peoples?

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When he said, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you." (Luke 22:20)

For the life of me Keras, I cannot see why you do not understand this.

Christian Gedge said:

When he said, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you." (Luke 22:20)

For the life of me Keras, I cannot see why you do not understand this.

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Enough foolishness! In no way are we in any Covenant now.
With Communion, we celebrate how Jesus died for our sins.

Jesus Blood made the Atonement and made His half of the New Covenant.
But the Christian peoples have yet to be gathered as a nation and to prove our worthiness to be the other half.

These prophesies prove it:
The New Covenant will be made between the Lord’s faithful Christian peoples, after the Sixth Seal event has cleared and cleansed all of the holy Land, and all the faithful Christian peoples migrate to live there:

Ezekiel 34:25 I shall make a Covenant with them for their peace and prosperity....


Isaiah 61:8..... I will grant them a sure reward and make an everlasting Covenant with them.

Isaiah 59:20-21 The Lord will come as a Redeemer to Zion and to those descended from Jacob who repent of their rebellion. This is the Covenant I will make with them: My Spirit will abide with them thru all the following generations.


Jeremiah 32:37-40 I shall gather My people from all the lands where they now live......I will make and everlasting Covenant with them, it will be a joy for Me to do them good.


Ezekiel 37:26 [After the Spiritual regeneration and the rejoining of the tribes] I shall make an everlasting Covenant with them, for their peace and prosperity and their numbers will greatly increase. I will put My Sanctuary in their midst, where it will remain for all time.

jgr said:

You need an eye examination ASAP.

Hebrews 8 KJV
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

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OK, I don't need to wear glasses, but I do need good light to read my small print KJV.
'now' is there, but it isn't in my REB or the CJB. And for sure, it doesn't mean the New Covenant was immediately in force at the Crucifixion.
That idea is impossible, as there was no Christian Church then.

keras said:

'now' is there, but it isn't in my REB or the CJB.

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It's there in the Greek. That's all you need.

keras said:

And for sure, it doesn't mean the New Covenant was immediately in force at the Crucifixion.

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And for sure, the writer of Hebrews declares unequivocally that it was.

Hebrews 9
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

keras said:

With Communion, we celebrate how Jesus died for our sins.

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With Communion, we celebrate the New Covenant in His Blood.

1 Corinthians 11
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

jgr said:

And for sure, the writer of Hebrews declares unequivocally that it was.

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Who did Jesus make the NC with; was it the thief on the cross?
Jesus has done His part and the new Covenant has to be made with His living people, the faithful Christians of today.

It is obvious to anyone who keeps within the realms of reality, it is not yet made and Bible prophecy tells us when it will be.

keras said:

Who did Jesus make the NC with; was it the thief on the cross?

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Beginning with His disciples.

Matthew 26
26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

keras said:

Do you understand that the Christian Church did not exist the day Jesus was Crucified?
It started 50 days later, Acts 2:1-47. But there is no mention there of any Covenant.
Unless you can show when a new Covenant was made between Jesus and the Christian peoples; it remains to be made in the future.

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What do you think Jesus was referring to here:

Luke 22:20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

For any Christian to not understand that the new covenant was put into effect by the blood of Christ is just mind boggling to me. We are saved under the new covenant. It is the means by which our sins are forgiven. How can you not discern that?

keras said:

But if pardon for any sin was immediate, then we could sin as much as we liked!
The belief it applies now, is simply untenable.

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What specifically makes that belief untenable? We actually can sin as much as we like......I'm not sure why anyone would deliberately sin.....but what's getting in their way? Remember Paul's explanation of all this?

Christian Gedge said:

When he said, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you." (Luke 22:20)

For the life of me Keras, I cannot see why you do not understand this.

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Exactly. I agree! The whole ministry of Jesus testifies to an upending of Jewish life. There's a reason that Jesus and His teaching enraged the religious leaders of His day. It seems that many Christians today miss just how earth shattering this time was - when Jesus walked this earth.

keras said:

Who did Jesus make the NC with

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Take a look at John's Gospel....chapter 7, when Jesus was at the Feast of Tabernacles. Jesus is making reference to both Isaiah 55 and Ezekiel 47 in what He shouted out. The invitation is extended to ALL.Those that accept Jesus's invitation are who He is in covenant with (the New Covenant/everlasting covenant/covenant of grace).





About Ezekiel 47 - living streams.....hope for all

keras said:

Enough foolishness! In no way are we in any Covenant now.

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Back to John 7:37-39 and Jesus's references to Isaiah 55 and Ezekiel 47

Maybe it's not clear what is meant by God’s covenants?

mkgal1 said:

Maybe it's not clear what is meant by God’s covenants?

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It is clear to me, a Covenant is an agreement made between two living parties or individuals.
Jesus died, but He rose again and is alive now. He will be one side of the new Covenant.
We Christians will be the other side. Many Christians have died and they await their reward of Eternal life at the GWT Judgment, after the Millennium. But we who are alive now and who survive through the forthcoming Lord's Day of fiery wrath, will gather and go to live in the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Psalms 107:1-43
It will be there where Jesus will appear to us, 2 Thessalonians 1:10, Revelation 14:1, we will praise Him, Revelation 7:9 and make a Covenant with Him, for His protection and blessings. Psalms 50:3-6

I realize that this scenario is new to most, but it is what scripture says.
Christians seem to have not given any thought to the New Covenant; just assumed it is in force now.
However careful reading of the results of this Covenant in Hebrews 8:10-12 and the several OT prophesies that mention a Covenant, should make people reconsider their beliefs.

Is the Lord going to make a Covenant will people as we are today? He has given us the Way of salvation and we can become His people by faith. But a Covenant of peace and security? Not yet, my friends.

keras said:

It is clear to me, a Covenant is an agreement made between two living parties or individuals.

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Yes.....that's generally what a covenant is,
but what I'd said is that maybe it's not clear what is meant specifically by God’s covenants. The video I shared is quite explanatory and succinct.

keras said:

But a Covenant of peace and security? Not yet, my friends.

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Peace and security comes from learning our sins are forgiven. It all goes back to the Cross.

mkgal1 said:

Peace and security comes from learning our sins are forgiven. It all goes back to the Cross.

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You may have peace and security, I have it too, but many many of our Christian brethren don't.
Only as we gather into our heritage, the holy Land, will this promise be for everyone. Proved by how the Lord destroys the huge army from the North, that will attack us, Ezekiel 38 to 39