I have herd some say only the Jews, and I have herd some say all that are saved?
what do you say? please provide any scripture to support your stance.
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what do you say? please provide any scripture to support your stance.
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Who are the elect?
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It works like this. Only Israel is saved. God removed the unbelievers from Israel and grafted in believing gentiles. The believers in Christ are biblical Israel. But many unsaved act like believers. These are the tares.
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Depends on the timeline. Both groups are correct. The Jews were chosen to bring the Messiah into the world. After this was accomplished , the chosen are those who choose Him. Be blessed.
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This term is used two ways: The election pertaining to the Body of Christ, where there is
neither Jew nor Greek.
2 Peter 1:10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure,
for if you do these things you will never stumble.
All members of the church are called, there are several ways to describe the elect, this one
should serve this purpose.
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me:
and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me,
and gave himself for me.
The other way is found in Romans 11, where Paul describes The Lord's unbroken commitment
to natural Israel, though blindness came upon them for a season, for the sake of the Gospel
to the Nations.
Romans 11:28 Concerning the gospel, enemies for your sake, but concerning the election,
beloved for the sake of the fathers.
Reading in context will give greater clarity, the point is, if every believer comprehended Paul's
teaching in this chapter, there would not be this question.
I hope you can see that both of these are incorrect. Salvation does not equal election within
the body of Christ. Yeshua spoke of this when he said:
Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few chosen [elektos, G1588]
neither Jew nor Greek.
2 Peter 1:10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure,
for if you do these things you will never stumble.
All members of the church are called, there are several ways to describe the elect, this one
should serve this purpose.
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me:
and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me,
and gave himself for me.
The other way is found in Romans 11, where Paul describes The Lord's unbroken commitment
to natural Israel, though blindness came upon them for a season, for the sake of the Gospel
to the Nations.
Romans 11:28 Concerning the gospel, enemies for your sake, but concerning the election,
beloved for the sake of the fathers.
Reading in context will give greater clarity, the point is, if every believer comprehended Paul's
teaching in this chapter, there would not be this question.
I hope you can see that both of these are incorrect. Salvation does not equal election within
the body of Christ. Yeshua spoke of this when he said:
Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few chosen [elektos, G1588]
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2 Peter, 1:10 Therefore, brothers, strive to make your calling and election sure. For if you practice these things you will never stumble.
Romans, 2:29 No, a man is a Jew because he is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise does not come from men, but from God.
Colosians, 2:11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
Romans 11:17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
Let’s address Romans, 9:11: “… for the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calls.” This scripture has not only been taken out of context, it has been twisted to say something which it clearly does not. What is this chapter about? We’ll start at the top. Verse 1. “I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, that I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh,” Paul is referring to Israel. Those who quote this in support of casual determinism are dishonest.
Romans, 8:29-30 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. And yet… “Many are called and few are chosen”. Matthew, 22:14 Paul’s statement above is either not true, or someone misinterpreted it. If He justified those individuals He called, how can many be called and few chosen? 2nd Peter, 1:11. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. We must believe and respond. Belief alone is not enough. “Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.” James 2:19
In a letter to the CHURCH
Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will… First. He uses the words, us, we, so we know he is speaking of a group. Which group? Clearly to believers about believers. The church at Ephesus. The faithful, believers, the chosen.
Verse 13 -14. … In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. After we trust and believe the “Good News,” we are sealed with the promise. What promise? Romans, 8:23 “… And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, to wit, the redemption of our bodies.” The promise of a new eternal, spiritual body when our adoption is finalized.
The elect/chosen is the church as a whole, the “Body of Christ.”
We are not a body, it is a vehicle designed to support a spirit. It is a vehicle in which a new soul has experiences to live and choices to make. We are exhorted to exercise control over our body, our nature, our flesh, not to simply respond to, or follow natural impulses, proclivities and stimuli. We do not drift downstream.
Romans, 2:29 No, a man is a Jew because he is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise does not come from men, but from God.
Colosians, 2:11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
Romans 11:17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
Let’s address Romans, 9:11: “… for the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calls.” This scripture has not only been taken out of context, it has been twisted to say something which it clearly does not. What is this chapter about? We’ll start at the top. Verse 1. “I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, that I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh,” Paul is referring to Israel. Those who quote this in support of casual determinism are dishonest.
Romans, 8:29-30 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. And yet… “Many are called and few are chosen”. Matthew, 22:14 Paul’s statement above is either not true, or someone misinterpreted it. If He justified those individuals He called, how can many be called and few chosen? 2nd Peter, 1:11. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. We must believe and respond. Belief alone is not enough. “Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.” James 2:19
In a letter to the CHURCH
Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will… First. He uses the words, us, we, so we know he is speaking of a group. Which group? Clearly to believers about believers. The church at Ephesus. The faithful, believers, the chosen.
Verse 13 -14. … In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. After we trust and believe the “Good News,” we are sealed with the promise. What promise? Romans, 8:23 “… And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, to wit, the redemption of our bodies.” The promise of a new eternal, spiritual body when our adoption is finalized.
The elect/chosen is the church as a whole, the “Body of Christ.”
We are not a body, it is a vehicle designed to support a spirit. It is a vehicle in which a new soul has experiences to live and choices to make. We are exhorted to exercise control over our body, our nature, our flesh, not to simply respond to, or follow natural impulses, proclivities and stimuli. We do not drift downstream.
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The way that first sentence was worded makes me think a note of clarification is in order--
The Jews are not guaranteed salvation. Israel was God's chosen people for his purposes leading up to the coming of Christ, but it's a mistake to read the language of Scripture and translate that as a guarantee that any and all ethnic Jews were or will be saved just because of their ethnic heritage.
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Did we choose Him, or did He choose us? An important distinction.
Ephesians 1:4. just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be
holy and without blame before Him in love.
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Galatians 3:28
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise .…
The new covenant is the everlasting covenant of grace first established with Adam and Eve after sin (Genesis 3:15) renewed with Abraham, and ultimately fulfilled in Christ.
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The elect have many names: holy angels, good seed, sheep, Jews, Christians, the Church. Some refer to life metaphors, some to physical and political metaphors but all refer to the Bride of Christ, sinful or holy.
The elect have many names: holy angels, good seed, sheep, Jews, Christians, the Church. Some refer to life metaphors, some to physical and political metaphors but all refer to the Bride of Christ, sinful or holy.
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To me this sounds like a definition of Gods elect,, what do you think??? points to the gentiles also.
Romans 8:29-33
29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
32 He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?
33 Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.
Romans 8:29-33
29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
32 He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?
33 Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.
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It is both,
Romans 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Colossians 3:12
Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
2 Timothy 2:10
Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
Titus 1:1
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
1 Peter 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
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Immediately the boy's father exclaimed, "I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!" - Mark 9:24
No one starts out with perfect faith. But through trial and tribulations our faith is being refined, re-creating us into new creatures in Christ. (read Romans 5:2-5)
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The elect of God are any who are justified, sanctified, and glorified. It can be Jew or Gentile, free or slave... the Gospel went out to the 4 corners of the earth, and a great multitude was saved, more than any man could number, more than the population of the whole of earth at the time it was seen.
The Great Multitude
Awesome sermon to listen to.
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