New World Order ?

Marilyn C said:

The nations of the world have come together for their own plans at Armageddon, (Rev. 16: 16) and it is from there that the Father brings them down to Jerusalem where they will surround the city. (Luke 21: 24)

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Not going to happen. There will be no literal war between literal nations over a literal piece of land in the Middle East.

At the moment we are seeing the nations coming together, G 7, G 20 & the IMF (International Monetary Fund) to be the over sight of the world`s economy. Eventually in the near future I believe, an Islamic person will arise and deceive the nations. He will lead the G 20 and rule for 3 1/2 years.

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Oh brother. You do not even know what nations that the Lord talked about here! He is not talking about physical political nations coming down against modern national Israel. You lack spiritual discernment.

Number one, because the "nations" and "Gentiles" are UNSAVED and so are naturally at enmity with the Kingdom of Church, which is all over the world (Luke 17:20-21). That is the New Testament Congregation of Israel, the Church! She is all over the world where the unsaved are brought against!

When God said that he will gather all nations for judgment (Armaggeddon), he is not talking about France, India, and the little island of Nauru. You are brainwashed to think that all the physical naitons of the world come against the nation of Israel. The answer is they wouldnt!

Listen.. God is talking about all the people from all the nations of the world WHO Are unquestionably at enmity with God would come against God's church that torments them (testify/expose their sins). As indeed Christ fully prophesies of this when telling of the killing (silencing) of the Two Witnesses' testimony (typifies Elect with Gospel), the two prophets, the two candlesticks, Revelation 11:9-10.

Why would they? This is WHY!

Isaiah 40:3-5

• "The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
• Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
• And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it."

If you were to look for physical highways In Israel, Physical construction workers digging in the ground making Highways straight, physical valleys being made like mountains, and physical mountains being made as valleys, while all the physical people in the world observed it, you would miss Christ altogether.

Which in part, national Israel did!!

For it was they who were looking at the wrong way to interpret prophesy. Just as the Dispensational army like you today!

Jesus will then return to judge the nations, (Matt. 25: 31) and deliver Israel. (Zech. 12:10, 14: 1 - 4)

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Romans 11:33-34

• "O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
• For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?"

Except we are single-minded in our receiving and being obedient to what is revealed of the mind of God, through His word, we will be open to be led astray by convoluted theologians and eschatologies.

Knowing all this, why would I imply (by inclusion) that the gospel of the kingdom might be Premillennial, or it might be Postmillennial, or it could even be Preterist, when I don't believe that to be in any wise true? You can call that being narrow-minded if you like, but it is actually the quiet peaceable confidence in the word, through the Spirit. In other words, the mind of Christ doesn't instruct in the very diverse ideas of Dispensationalism, in Postmillennialism and in Preterism, implying we can't really know which doctrine is true. The mind of Christ doesn't place a wide selection out there and say we should "take our pick," and thus I'm not going to do that either. I fully believe there is an eschatological truth, it is in the scriptures, and it is not ambiguous once the authority of scripture is honestly received. The kingdom of Christ "has" come, the Prince thereof has delivered Israel and He does reign right now with the government upon His shoulders. He has established the New Covenant with Israel and brought comfort and peace to Jerusalem. He has brought righteousness to the nations, binding the enemy (which is Satan) that the glorious kingdom might be extended to all people and tongues or languages that living waters (Holy Spirit) have gone out from Jerusalem. All this is expounded upon in the scriptures and not something that Amillennialists have made up to support their doctrines. So again, why would I preach another "different" gospel of the kingdom, when I know perfectly well that it's not the true witness of scripture? That is the real question that should be answered.

Israel will then rule the nations as promised for a thousand years.

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Show me the chapter and verse that said this exactly!

BABerean2 said:

after” the 69 weeks. If I agree to paint your house “after” 69 weeks, it will not be painted until the 70th week, or after. Is there a “gap” of almost 2,000 years between the 69th week and the 70th week, or was it fulfilled during the first century when the Gospel was preached “first” to the Jews?

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Jesus covers the whole 7 years. He was cut off and will finish at the Second Coming. Daniel will only be complete at the 7th Trumpet. Jesus Christ will not use all 7 years by any means. That is why we have this verse: Indeed, if the length of this time had not been limited, no one would survive; but for the sake of those who have been chosen, its length will be limited.

The Second Coming can not be known, neither the shortness of the future 3.5 years. It could be as short as 5 months instead of 3.5 years.

Douggg said:

I am not getting baited into some boondoggle diversion of yours. I have shown using the scriptures of why the man made new covenant movement's interpretations and doctrines are wrong.

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Heb 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.


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BABerean2 said:

Heb 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.


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We are not talking about whether Jesus is the messiah or not.

We are talking about Daniel 9 whether the vision referred to by Gabriel is complete or not. The vision Gabriel referred to is time of the end, and spans 2300 days.

Douggg said:

We are not talking about whether Jesus is the messiah or not.

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But Daniel did. He wrote about Messiah the Prince in the context of Daniel 9.

We are talking about Daniel 9 whether the vision referred to by Gabriel is complete or not. The vision Gabriel referred to is time of the end, and spans 2300 days.

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Here is a problem for you. What you, and many premillennialists, don't realize is the Covenant Week that Christ confirmed in verse 27 did NOT last 7 years. It is a unique week that spanned from the time Christ went to the Cross to the Second Coming (consummation). This is the millennial kingdom with Satan in the bottomless pit until near the end.

The "time of the end", 2,300, or Great Tribulation will take place right before the end of the Covenant Week after Satan comes out of Bottomless Pit! Not 7 years prior to Second Coming. Not before then so-called 1,000 years millennial Kingdom. All will be fulfilled within Covenant Week, then the mystery of God concerning New Testament Congregation is finished...when the seventh angel blows the "Last Trump."

Rev 10:4-7
(4) And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
(5) And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
(6) And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
(7) But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Douggg said:

We are talking about Daniel 9 whether the vision referred to by Gabriel is complete or not. The vision Gabriel referred to is time of the end, and spans 2300 days.

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There is nothing in Daniel 9 about "the time of the end", or "2300 days".
That is coming from your private interpretation.

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BABerean2 said:

There is nothing in Daniel 9 about "the time of the end", or "2300 days".
That is coming from your private interpretation.

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The vision in Daniel 9 refers to the vision of the little horn and the 2300 days for "the time of the end".

Douggg said:

The vision in Daniel 9 refers to the vision of the little horn and the 2300 days for "the time of the end".

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So now your proof is a video you produced for YouTube, of your private interpretation of the passage.

If you could show us the words "little horn", or "time of the end", in Daniel 9, that would be a good starting point.



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BABerean2 said:

So now your proof is a video you produced for YouTube, of your private interpretation of the passage.

If you could show us the words "little horn", or "time of the end", in Daniel 9, that would be a good starting point.



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Right after you show the words Jesus, new, and first century in Daniel 9.