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.......that's the lacking assurance I was referring to.​

So, mkgal, are yours or any Christians sins, conscious or inadvertent, pardoned before, during or after they occur?
Isn't it plain to you that Hebrews 8:12 is in the context of a future fulfillment , a yet to happen Promise of God?

Sin was pardoned on the Cross. That's not a future event we need to anticipate. As Jesus said, "It is finished".

N.T. Wright presented what I believe is a wonderful overview of the Healing Streams of the New Covenant. On the last day of the Feast of Tabernacles.....recorded in John 7....Jesus quoted Isaiah 55:

John 7:37-39

37On the last and greatest day of the feast, Jesus stood up and called out in a loud voice, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink. 38Whoever believes in Me, as the Scripture has said: ‘Streams of living water will flow from within him.’ ” 39He was speaking about the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were later to receive. For the Spirit had not yet been given,e because Jesus had not yet been glorified.

Isaiah 55:1-4


1“Come, all you who are thirsty,

come to the waters
;

and you without money,

come, buy, and eat!

Come, buy wine and milk

without money and without cost!

2Why spend money on that which is not bread,

and your labor on that which does not satisfy?

Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good,

and your soul will delight in the richest of foods.

3Incline your ear and come to Me;

listen, so that your soul may live.

I will make with you an everlasting covenant—
My loving devotion promised to David.a4Behold, I have made him a witness to the nations

Deuteronomy 30:4


Even if you have been banished to the farthest horizon, He will gather you and return you from there.

 
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Sin was pardoned on the Cross. That's not a future event we need to anticipate. As Jesus said, "It is finished".
What Jesus did was to Atone for our sins, not pardon them. Jesus made it possible for God to pardon our sins, but He has not done so yet.

I asked you when you thought our sins were pardoned. If it was when we were born, or even born again in Jesus, then no matter how much murder, robberies, adulteries, etc, we do; they don't count?

I like NT Wright, but like all who try to explain the prophesies, they cannot know the truth, as it is hidden from them. Matthew 11:25, 1 Corinthians 1:19-20,+
 
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What Jesus did was to Atone for our sins, not pardon them.

"Pardon" is a synonym for "forgive".

How many NT instances assuring us that Christ has forgiven, i.e. pardoned, our sins would you like to see?

Note that forgiveness/pardon is conditional. 1 John 1:9

But it's immediate.
 
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"Pardon" is a synonym for "forgive".

How many NT instances assuring us that Christ has forgiven, i.e. pardoned, our sins would you like to see?

Note that forgiveness/pardon is conditional. 1 John 1:9

But it's immediate.
But if pardon for any sin was immediate, then we could sin as much as we liked!
The belief it applies now, is simply untenable.

All the prophesies about this pardoning are only after all His people have proved themselves faithful and who trusted in the Lord's protection during His terrible Day of fiery wrath.
We DO have to repent and prove ourselves worthy to receive the Lord's forgiveness.
Why do you try to explain the prophecies?

They're hidden from you.
Because we are now in the end times and a few people will finally be able to understand. Daniel 12:10

What I do in my articles, is to write out each prophetic passage and if it has never been fulfilled, then I use matching prophesies to fit it into the sequence of end time events. Mostly using the Revelation sequence of Seals, Trumpets and Bowls; then the Return, the Millennium and finally; Eternity.

The difficulty in understanding comes from false teachings, wrong theories and doctrines that many have believed and as Isaiah 29:9-14 says; the Lord locks people into them.
This can be overcome, by prayer and clearing the mind of any preconceived ideas.
 
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But if pardon for any sin was immediate, then we could sin as much as we liked!

Hebrews 10 NASB
26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.

Because we are now in the end times and a few people will finally be able to understand.

You said:
"I like NT Wright, but like all who try to explain the prophesies, they cannot know the truth, as it is hidden from them."

"All" does not exclude you.
Your rationalizations notwithstanding.
 
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Hebrews 10 NASB
26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.
You fling around scriptures like water, but like BaB, you don't relate them to the subject, or explain how they help your case.
Jesus IS the sacrifice.
All sin and fall short of righteousness.
ONLY when we gather as a nation in the holy Land, will the new Covenant be made and the Lord will remember our sins no more.
You said:
"I like NT Wright, but like all who try to explain the prophesies, they cannot know the truth, as it is hidden from them."

"All" does not exclude you.
Your rationalizations notwithstanding.
All; up until now, as we are now in the last few years. Proved by the exact time periods of the 7000 years Plan of God for mankind.

It isn't me who makes the Prophesies, I just write them out and promote them. If you or anyone can't understand them, it isn't my fault!
 
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ONLY when we gather as a nation in the holy Land, will the new Covenant be made and the Lord will remember our sins no more.


Do you expect Jesus to be crucified again in the future?

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.


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What Jesus did was to Atone for our sins, not pardon them. Jesus made it possible for God to pardon our sins, but He has not done so yet.
What does the Cross mean to you, if not God's forgiveness of sin? It's more than just the possibility to forgive. Remember John's announcement of Jesus?

John 1:29
Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
 
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We DO have to repent and prove ourselves worthy to receive the Lord's forgiveness.
Remember the 3 parables Jesus told - the lost sheep, lost coin, and lost son? The theme of these parables is that it's the seeker that does the "work". The sheep, coin, and son did nothing to be found. The son didn't have to prove himself worthy of the Father's forgiveness. That belief of a need to prove worthiness destroys the message of Grace.

Luke 15:19 - 24

I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me as one of your hired men.”’ 20 “So he got up and came to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion for him, and ran and embraced him and kissed him. 21 “And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ 22 “But the father said to his slaves, ‘Quickly bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet; 23 and bring the fattened calf, kill it, and let us eat and celebrate; 24 for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.’ And they began to celebrate.
"123. Parables of the Lost Sheep; the Lost Coin; the Prodigal Son" 123. Parables of the Lost Sheep; the Lost Coin; the Prodigal Son
 
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You fling around scriptures like water, but like BaB, you don't relate them to the subject, or explain how they help your case.

If you can't understand them, then leave them for those who can understand.

They explain themselves.

All; up until now

N. T. Wright is alive "now".

As is the New Covenant.
 
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We DO have to repent and prove ourselves worthy to receive the Lord's forgiveness.

Salvation by works.

Explain what we must do to "prove ourselves worthy".

Then explain this:

Ephesians 2
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Now you've got me curious.

Is salvation by works a teaching of the cult of British Israelism?
 
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But the new Covenant was not in force from the death of Jesus.
Hebrews 8:8 says the time is coming when I shall make a new Covenant with the House of Israel and Judah. [now all the Christian peoples]

Your demands that it is in force now, fall flat as the time for it is not yet.
Isaiah 61:3-11 gives when.
Do you understand that the prophecy made in Jeremiah 31:31-34 was being quoted in Hebrews 8:8-12? The time that was coming was future to the time the prophecy was made by Jeremiah, not future to the time Hebrews 8:8 was written.

The new covenant was established by the blood of Christ, so how can you say it was not in force from the death of Jesus?

Luke 22:20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

If the new covenant is not in effect then we are not saved because we are not saved without the shed blood of Christ. Do you believe that you are not saved?
 
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Do you expect Jesus to be crucified again in the future?

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
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Pathetic BaB. The word 'now' isn't in most translations. If it is, it doesn't mean at that point in time.
What does the Cross mean to you, if not God's forgiveness of sin?
Jesus made the Atonement for the sins of the world. He made it possible for God to forgive our sins, but obviously the world has gone on sinning and the forgiving of our sins will happen after the new Covenant is made with His faithful Christian people in the holy Land. Isaiah 61:3-11
They explain themselves.
Right.
Just as prophesies like Isaiah 61:3-11 does. Verse 8 says the the Lord will make a Covenant with His righteous people when they live in the holy Land.
N. T. Wright is alive "now".
So is Tim la Haye, John Hagee, and a raft of other false teachers!
Some, like NT Wright do have good things to say, but their ideas about Bible prophecy up until now, are all wrong.
Explain what we must do to "prove ourselves worthy".
We must stand firm in our faith and trust in the Lord for His protection during the forthcoming Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. 1 Peter 4:12
Those who did this are seen by John in Jerusalem; Revelation 7:1-14
Revelation 7:15-17, refer to Eternity, which comes 1000 years later.
Do you understand that the prophecy made in Jeremiah 31:31-34 was being quoted in Hebrews 8:8? The time that was coming was future to the time the prophecy was made by Jeremiah, not future to the time Hebrews 8:8 was written.
Do you understand that the Christian Church did not exist the day Jesus was Crucified?
It started 50 days later, Acts 2:1-47. But there is no mention there of any Covenant.
Unless you can show when a new Covenant was made between Jesus and the Christian peoples; it remains to be made in the future.
 
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We must stand firm in our faith and trust in the Lord for His protection during the forthcoming Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. 1 Peter 4:12
Those who did this are seen by John in Jerusalem; Revelation 7:1-14
Revelation 7:15-17, refer to Eternity, which comes 1000 years later.

Why did you refuse to explain Ephesians 2:8-9?

Since you refused to answer the question about British Israelism, we must presume that it teaches salvation by works as well as a decapitated New Covenant.

Examples of the fantasies and fallacies of cultism.
 
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Well over half of the translations use "now".
The KJV, dearly beloved by most; doesn't.
But anyway Hebrews 8:6 is referring to how Jesus is now our Mediator of the New Covenant, NOT that the NC was in force from His death.
Since you refused to answer the question
I could list dozens of questions I have asked, but just get ignored.
Why don't you answer; When was the new Covenant actually made between Jesus and the Christian peoples?
 
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