How many laws are too many?

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You often hear the word "legalist" in reference to the commandments of God. The question is how many laws are too many?

In the US the Federal laws are too long to count! A List of Federal Laws (thelists.org)
Not to mention all the State, City and County laws- still too many to count. You're talking thousands and thousands of laws that we are all under and are suppose to obey.

Yet God's laws are simple and only 10. God asked us to keep His laws written in our hearts and minds, we do them (literally) because they are in our minds, but more importantly we obey out of our for love for God.

The only written and spoken scripture by God:

The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV)
1 You shall have no other gods before Me.
2 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
5 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
6 “You shall not murder.
7 “You shall not commit adultery.
8 “You shall not steal.
9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

I am surprised the word legalist and the commandments of God are used in the same sentence. God is the Creator of all things. We are here because of Him. What He asks of us seems so little in comparison. When we set out eyes on God and ask for His help to keep all His laws, why is this so difficult?
 
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When we set out eyes on God and ask for His help to keep all His laws, why is this so difficult?

Because we have satan messing with us ... we often take our focus off of the Lord and thereby yield to temptations.

There is nothing wrong with God's laws ... they are perfect ... mankind on the other hand is imperfect.

Hebrews 10:14
For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.

We do endeavor to follow in His steps .... but will stumble here and there.

It is a life-long process .... being sanctified by the Lord.
 
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Because we have satan messing with us ... we often take our focus off of the Lord and thereby yield to temptations.

There is nothing wrong with God's laws ... they are perfect ... mankind on the other hand is imperfect.

Hebrews 10:14
For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.

We do endeavor to follow in His steps .... but will stumble here and there.

It is a life-long process .... being sanctified by the Lord.
Yes, I agree its a process being sanctified. I praise God He provides us a Helper. I also believe it comes down to motivation, if you want to obey and do the will of God instead of your own, the laws no longer seem "legalistic".
 
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Yes, I agree its a process being sanctified. I praise God He provides us a Helper. I also believe it comes down to motivation, if you want to obey and do the will of God instead of your own, the laws no longer seem "legalistic".

Jesus was "legalistic" ... however He called it love ... so they are laws of love.
 
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Laws of love, I like that.
Hi Sis imge, only just saw this now. God's law is to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness (right doing) when obeyed according to the scriptures *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. It is the standard and knowledge of good (right doing) and evil (wrong doing). If we break anyone of them according to James we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them *James 2:10-11. According to the scriptures "circumcision" was a physical sign of receiving a new heart to love through faith *Romans 4:9-12 pointing to Gods' new covenant promise of obedience to God's law *Romans 2:28-29; Deuteronomy 10:16; Deuteronomy 30:6 Ezekiel 36:24-27; Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:10-12. This is of course God's new covenant promise of a new heart to love. We cannot separate Gods' law from love like some try to do as God's love is expressed through faith that works by love as we believe and follow Gods' Word. This is why JESUS, Paul, James and John all state that on these two great commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets in Matthew 22:36-40; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; 1 John 5:3-4 and is why we need to be born again to follow God. Unless we are born again to love we cannot enter into God's kingdom according to JESUS in John 3:3-7 because those who are born again do not practice sin *1 John 3:6-9 which is breaking God's law *1 John 3:4 or breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments *James 2:10-11 or not believing and following what God say in Romans 14:23. This is why Jesus says if we love hm we will keep His commandments in John 14:15; John 15:10 and if a man loves Him, he will keep His words in John 14:23. We cannot separate Gods' love from Gods' law as God's law is the standard of right doing and love is expressed in obedience to God's law as we believe God's Word. Another words it is no longer law if there is love because love fulfills (does) God's law *Romans 13:8-10. This is how it was in Eden before the fall of mankind when man being made in God's image walked and talked with God.

God bless. (HAPPY SABBATH ALL :clap:)

PS

A "legalist" is someone that is seeking God's salvation outside of faith through the works of the law and not through the blood of Christ. We are all sinners in need of Gods' salvation. We are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. OBEDIENCE to God's Law is not how we are saved. It is the FRUIT of faith from one that is already been given Gods promise of forgiveness and salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow God's Word and receive His Spirit *Galatians 5:16. If our faith has no fruit it is dead according to James or not true faith *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and if the fruit of obedience to God's Word is not present in our lives Jesus says our tree (we) will be cast down and thrown into the fire in MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. God's law therefore is our teacher that leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25 that we might be made free to walk in God's Spirit *Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:4. Salvation is from sin not continuing to practice known unrepentant sin. If we continue in known unrepentant sin we will not enter into God's kingdom *Hebrews 10:26-31; Matthew 7:21-23. Unless we are born again to love we cannot enter into God's kingdom according to Jesus *John 3:3-7. Those who are born again do not practice sin *1 John 3:6-9; Romans 8:1-4; Romans 3:31; James 2:18-20; 26; John 14:15. Sadly the term "legalist" is used as a label by some people today who knowingly or unknowingly break God's laws, as a distraction against those who genuinely love God and through faith seek to believe and follow His Words. According to the scriptures, God's love is not separate to God's law it is expressed through obedience to Gods' law *Matthew 22:36-40; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12.

Happy Sabbath.
 
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Hi Sis imge, only just saw this now. God's law is to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness (right doing) when obeyed according to the scriptures *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. It is the standard and knowledge of good (right doing) and evil (wrong doing). If we break anyone of them according to James we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them *James 2:10-11. According to the scriptures "circumcision" was a physical sign of receiving a new heart to love through faith *Romans 4:9-12 pointing to Gods' new covenant promise of obedience to God's law *Romans 2:28-29; Deuteronomy 10:16; Deuteronomy 30:6 Ezekiel 36:24-27; Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:10-12. This is of course God's new covenant promise of a new heart to love. We cannot separate Gods' law from love like some try to do as God's love is expressed through faith that works by love as we believe and follow Gods' Word. This is why JESUS, Paul, James and John all state that on these two great commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets in Matthew 22:36-40; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; 1 John 5:3-4 and is why we need to be born again to follow God. Unless we are born again to love we cannot enter into God's kingdom according to JESUS in John 3:3-7 because those who are born again do not practice sin *1 John 3:6-9 which is breaking God's law *1 John 3:4 or breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments *James 2:10-11 or not believing and following what God say in Romans 14:23. This is why Jesus says if we love hm we will keep His commandments in John 14:15; John 15:10 and if a man loves Him, he will keep His words in John 14:23. We cannot separate Gods' love from Gods' law as God's law is the standard of right doing and love is expressed in obedience to God's law as we believe God's Word. Another words it is no longer law if there is love because love fulfills (does) God's law *Romans 13:8-10. This is how it was in Eden before the fall of mankind when man being made in God's image walked and talked with God.

God bless. (HAPPY SABBATH ALL :clap:)

PS

A "legalist" is someone that is seeking God's salvation outside of faith through the works of the law and not through the blood of Christ. We are all sinners in need of Gods' salvation. We are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. OBEDIENCE to God's Law is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of forgiveness and salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow God's Word. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. God's law therefore is our teacher that leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25 that we might be made free to walk in God's Spirit *Galatians 5:16. Salvation is from sin not continuing to practice known unrepentant sin. If we continue in known unrepentant sin we will not enter into God's kingdom. Unless we are born again to love we cannot enter into God's kingdom according to Jesus *John 3:3-7. Those who are born again do not practice sin *1 John 3:6-9; Romans 8:1-4; Romans 3:31; James 2:18-20; 26; John 14:15. Sadly the term "legalist" is used as a label by some people today who knowingly or unknowingly break God's laws, as a distraction against those who genuinely love God and through faith seek to believe and follow His Words. According to the scriptures, God's love is not separate to God's law it is expressed through obedience to Gods' law *Matthew 22:36-40; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12.

Happy Sabbath.
Perfectly stated!
 
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Yet God's laws are simple and only 10. God asked us to keep His laws written in our hearts and minds, we do them (literally) because they are in our minds, but more importantly we obey out of our for love for God.

In Deuteronomy 5:31-33, Moses wrote down everything that God commanded him without departing from it, so all of the Law of Moses is the Law of God, not just the Ten Commandments. Likewise, the Law of Moses is referred to as the Law of God in verses like Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12, and Luke 2:22-23.

You often hear the word "legalist" in reference to the commandments of God. The question is how many laws are too many?

In the US the Federal laws are too long to count! A List of Federal Laws (thelists.org)
Not to mention all the State, City and County laws- still too many to count. You're talking thousands and thousands of laws that we are all under and are suppose to obey.

If God is a legalist for commanding the Mosaic Law and if Jesus is a legalist for living in sinless obedience to it and for teaching his followers how to obey by word and by example, then being a legalist would be being in good company, but that is not what legalism refers to. As you point out, no one is considered to be a legalist for thinking that the laws of their country should be obeyed, so neither is someone a legalist for thinking that followers of God should follow what God has commanded. So legalism is not in regard to thinking that one of many laws should be followed, but rather it is in regard to the manner in which someone follows a particular law without regard to its intent.
 
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In Deuteronomy 5:31-33, Moses wrote down everything that God commanded him without departing from it, so all of the Law of Moses is the Law of God, not just the Ten Commandments. Likewise, the Law of Moses is referred to as the Law of God in verses like Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12, and Luke 2:22-23.



If God is a legalist for commanding the Mosaic Law and if Jesus is a legalist for living in sinless obedience to it and for teaching his followers how to obey by word and by example, then being a legalist would be being in good company, but that is not what legalism refers to. As you point out, no one is considered to be a legalist for thinking that the laws of their country should be obeyed, so neither is someone a legalist for thinking that followers of God should follow what God has commanded. So legalism is not in regard to thinking that one of many laws should be followed, but rather it is in regard to the manner in which someone follows a particular law without regard to its intent.

Of course there are many laws that are still applicable today from the old testament scriptures besides the 10 commandments (e.g. Deuteronomy 14:2-21; Leviticus 11 to 16 etc) and every law in the book of the law of Moses from the old covenant comes from God. I do not think anyone here is disagreeing with that statement or has said anything disregarding it. There however are many "shadow laws" for remission of sins that are fulfilled under the new covenant, made from better promises that are fulfilled (meaning continued not abolished) in Christ *Hebrews 8:1-6 as our great High Priest and God's sacrifice for the sins of the world *Hebrews 7:19-27; Hebrews 10:1-12; John 1:29 etc... Many of the "shadow laws" for remission of sin under the old covenant were prophetic in nature pointing to the coming of the Messiah and his role in our salvation and God's sacrifice for the sins of the world and His ministration as our great High Priest in the heavenly Sanctuary not made with hands. *Hebrews 10:1-17. In the old covenant these "shadow laws" pointed forward to God's plan of salvation for mankind in Jesus while today under the new covenant we look backward these "shadow laws" being fulfilled in Jesus as God's sacrifice for mankind under the new covenant. If we were to continue in an earthly Sanctuary today offering animal sacrifices for sins under the Mosiac laws of the Levitical Priesthood we would be denying the very Christ those laws all pointed to. For examples, do you still do animal sacrifices? Where is your Levite Priest and Temple? Today under the new covenant the shadow laws for the earthly Sanctuary are fulfilled in the heavenly (Hebrews 7:1-28; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-28 and Hebrews 10:1-17. You do make a mistake however in thinking that God's law (10 commandments) which was the work of God alone, written with the finger of God on two tables of stone *Exodus 34:16 and spoken by God alone to His people in Exodus 20:1-17 and separated from the Mosaic book of the covenant *Exodus 24:7 in the Ark of the covenant *Deuteronomy 10:2-4; Deuteronomy 31:26 is the same law that Moses wrote and spoke. Why do you think that God wrote and spoke the 10 commandments alone on tables of stone and did not just let Moses write them by himself in the book of the law? Under the new covenant the shadow laws for remission of sins, animal sacrifice for sin and the earthly Sanctuary, Levitical Priesthood "shadow laws" are fulfilled in Christ who ministers on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary made without hands *Hebrews 8:1-2; 1 Timothy 2:5 according to God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 10:1-21
 
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Of course there are many laws that are still applicable today from the old testament scriptures besides the 10 commandments (e.g. Deuteronomy 14:2-21; Leviticus 11 to 16 etc) and every law in the book of the law of Moses from the old covenant comes from God. I do not think anyone here is disagreeing with that statement or has said anything disregarding it. There however are many "shadow laws" for remission of sins that are fulfilled under the new covenant, made from better promises that are fulfilled (meaning continued not abolished) in Christ *Hebrews 8:1-6 as our great High Priest and God's sacrifice for the sins of the world *Hebrews 7:19-27; Hebrews 10:1-12; John 1:29 etc... Many of the "shadow laws" for remission of sin under the old covenant were prophetic in nature pointing to the coming of the Messiah and his role in our salvation and God's sacrifice for the sins of the world and His ministration as our great High Priest in the heavenly Sanctuary not made with hands. *Hebrews 10:1-17. In the old covenant these "shadow laws" pointed forward to God's plan of salvation for mankind in Jesus while today under the new covenant we look backward these "shadow laws" being fulfilled in Jesus as God's sacrifice for mankind under the new covenant. If we were to continue in an earthly Sanctuary today offering animal sacrifices for sins under the Mosiac laws of the Levitical Priesthood we would be denying the very Christ those laws all pointed to. For examples, do you still do animal sacrifices? Where is your Levite Priest and Temple? Today under the new covenant the shadow laws for the earthly Sanctuary are fulfilled in the heavenly (Hebrews 7:1-28; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-28 and Hebrews 10:1-17. You do make a mistake however in thinking that God's law (10 commandments) which was the work of God alone, written with the finger of God on two tables of stone *Exodus 34:16 and spoken by God alone to His people in Exodus 20:1-17 and separated from the Mosaic book of the covenant *Exodus 24:7 in the Ark of the covenant *Deuteronomy 10:2-4; Deuteronomy 31:26 is the same law that Moses wrote and spoke. Why do you think that God wrote and spoke the 10 commandments alone on tables of stone and did not just let Moses write them by himself in the book of the law? Under the new covenant the shadow laws for remission of sins, animal sacrifice for sin and the earthly Sanctuary, Levitical Priesthood "shadow laws" are fulfilled in Christ who ministers on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary made without hands *Hebrews 8:1-2; 1 Timothy 2:5 according to God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 10:1-21

The Moedim, as well as the Sabbath, are shadows of good things to come; yet YHWH says that we are to keep them forever; and they will be kept in the kingdom to come. Yes, they do point to Messiah's first coming; but we shouldn't dismiss YHWH's eternal Moedim, on the basis that they are shadows of good things to come.
 
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The Moedim, as well as the Sabbath, are shadows of good things to come; yet YHWH says that we are to keep them forever; and they will be kept in the kingdom to come. Yes, they do point to Messiah's first coming; but we shouldn't dismiss YHWH's eternal Moedim, on the basis that they are shadows of good things to come.
Although there are ceremonial "shadow sabbaths" linked directly to the annual Feasts of Leviticus 23, these are not the same as God's 4th commandment that is only linked directly to the "seventh day" of the week on a continuous weekly cycle. God's 4th commandment which is linked directly to the "seventh day" of the week is not the same as the ceremonial sabbaths in the feast days which are linked directly only to the annual feast days which can fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle. For example the ceremonial "shadow sabbaths" included; Feast of Unleavened Bread or Passover (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8; Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25; Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32; Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36; Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39; and Feast days of Holy convocation of no work *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 (sabbaths plural to sabbaton in Colossians 2:16-17; also called high sabbaths if they fall on the same day as a weekly sabbath *John 19:31). These annual (not weekly) ceremonial sabbaths connected to the feast days are not the same as God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments which is only linked direrctly to the "seventh day" on a continuous weekly cycle *Exodus 20:8-11 from Genesis 2:1-3. God's 4th commandment Sabbath is strictly linked to the "seventh day" of the weekly cycle as a memorial of creation. Exodus 20:8-11; Genesis 2:1-3. It is impossible for the "seventh day" weekly Sabbath to be a "shadow law" of anything because it is a "memorial"of creation ("Remember" the Sabbath day - Exodus 20:8 linked directly to the seventh day of the creation week - Exodus 20:10-11), which is a part of the "finished work" of creation *Genesis 2:1-3. This means that God's 4th commandment points backwards not forward to things to come to the creation week (Remember Exodus 20:8) of Genesis 2:1-3. When the Sabbath was made for mankind, there was no sin and no law and no plan of salvation (shadow laws), no Moses and no ISRAEL when God made the Sabbath for all mankind according to the scriptures *Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27.
 
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It is impossible for the "seventh day" weekly Sabbath to be a "shadow law" of anything

Paul says that the Sabbath and the Moedim are shadows.

(CLV) Col 2:16
Let no one, then, be judging you in food or in drink or in the particulars of a festival, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,

(CLV) Col 2:17
which are a shadow of those things which are impending—yet the body is the Christ's.



(CLV) Hb 4:3
Then we who believe are entering into the stopping, according as He has declared, "As I swear in My indignation, `If they shall be entering into My stopping!'" although the works occur from the disruption of the world.

(CLV) Hb 4:4
For He has declared somewhere concerning the seventh thus: And God stops "on the seventh day from all His works."

(CLV) Hb 4:5
And in this again, "If they shall be entering into My stopping!"

(CLV) Hb 4:6
Since, then, it is left for some to be entering into it, and those to whom the evangel was formerly brought did not enter because of stubbornness,

The words in bold above, speak of a future event.

SABBATH FOREVER:

(CLV) Ex 31:16
Hence the sons of Israel will keep the sabbath so as to make the sabbath an eonian covenant throughout their generations.


PASSOVER FOREVER:

“And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to YHWH throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:14)

UNLEAVENED BREAD FOREVER:

“And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:17)

BIKKURIM (Feast of First Fruits) FOREVER:

You shall eat neither bread nor parched grain nor fresh grain until the same day that you have brought an offering to your God; it shall be a statute FOREVER throughout your generations in all your dwellings (Leviticus 23:14)

SHAVUOT (Feast of Weeks) FOREVER:

“And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute FOREVER in all your dwellings throughout your generations.” (Leviticus 23:21)

YOM TERUAH (Feast of Trumpets) FOREVER:

The sons of Aaron, the priests, shall blow the trumpets; and these shall be to you as an ordinance FOREVER throughout your generations. (Numbers 10:8)

YOM KIPPUR FOREVER:

Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute FOREVER throughout your generations in all your dwellings. (Leviticus 23:31)

FEAST OF TABERNACLES (Booths / Sukkot) FOREVER:

And ye shall keep it a feast unto YHWH seven days in the year. It shall be a statute FOREVER in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.(Leviticus 23:41)
 
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Paul says that the Sabbath and the Moedim are shadows. (CLV) Col 2:16 Let no one, then, be judging you in food or in drink or in the particulars of a festival, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,(CLV) Col 2:17 which are a shadow of those things which are impending—yet the body is the Christ's.
Please see my last post above yours. This is repetition already addressed in the previous post you did not respond to. Paul says that the ceremonial annual sabbaths connected to the Feast days are "shadows" not God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments. Gods' 10 commandments written on stone are "eternal laws" and the work of God alone written with Gods' own finger *Exodus 32:16. Gods' Word says whatsoever God does it shall be forever nothing can be added to it *Ecclesiastes 3:14. As posted above and shared through the scriptures already unlike the "ceremonial sabbaths" that were "shadow laws" linked directly to the "annual feast days" it is impossible for Gods' 4th commandment Sabbath to be a "shadow" of anything to come as it does not point forward it points backwards to the "seventh day" of the creation week - "Remember" the Sabbath day to keep it holy (Exodus 20:8) with the reason given in Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: why the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it which is pointing backwards to Genesis 2:1-3. You mixing up God's "shadow laws" of things to come under God's plan of salvation foretold in the annual Feast days of Leviticus 23 with God's eternal law (10 commandments) that give us the knowledge of good (right doing) and evil (wrong doing); sin and righteousness *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. God's 4th commandment Sabbath is strictly linked to the "seventh day" of the weekly cycle as a memorial of creation. Exodus 20:8-11; Genesis 2:1-3. It is impossible for the "seventh day" weekly Sabbath to be a "shadow law" of anything because it is a "memorial"of creation ("Remember" the Sabbath day - Exodus 20:8 linked directly to the seventh day of the creation week - Exodus 20:10-11), which is a part of the "finished work" of creation *Genesis 2:1-3. This means that God's 4th commandment points backwards not forward to things to come to the creation week (Remember Exodus 20:8) of Genesis 2:1-3. When the Sabbath was made for mankind, there was no sin and no law and no plan of salvation (shadow laws), no Moses and no ISRAEL when God made the Sabbath for all mankind according to the scriptures *Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27.
(CLV) Hb 4:3 Then we who believe are entering into the stopping, according as He has declared, "As I swear in My indignation, `If they shall be entering into My stopping!'" although the works occur from the disruption of the world. (CLV) Hb 4:4 For He has declared somewhere concerning the seventh thus: And God stops "on the seventh day from all His works." (CLV) Hb 4:5 And in this again, "If they shall be entering into My stopping!" (CLV) Hb 4:6 Since, then, it is left for some to be entering into it, and those to whom the evangel was formerly brought did not enter because of stubbornness, The words in bold above, speak of a future event.
Hebrews 4:4-6 is not speaking of a future event at all. Let's add the contexts back in...

HEBREWS 4:8 WHAT IS THE ANOTHER DAY

The key scriptures to help understand Hebrews 4:8 are the context of Hebrews 4:1-11. So why not look at them as you cannot expect to understand single scriptures devoid of context and build a doctrine around it. But it is true many seem to do just this though but lets not head in that direction. Let's look at all the scripture context.

HEBREWS 4
[1], LET US THEREFORE FEAR, LEST, A PROMISE BEING LEFT US OF ENTERING INTO HIS REST, ANY OF YOU SHOULD SEEM TO COME SHORT OF IT.
[2], FOR TO US WAS THE GOSPEL PREACHED, AS WELL AS TO THEM: BUT THE WORD PREACHED DID NOT PROFIT THEM, NOT BEING MIXED WITH FAITH IN THEM THAT HEARD IT.
[3], FOR WE WHICH HAVE BELIEVED DO ENTER INTO REST, as he said, As I HAVE SWORN IN MY WRATH, IF THEY SHALL ENTER INTO MY REST: ALTHOUGH THE WORKS WERE FINISHED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
[4], FOR HE SPOKE IN A CERTAIN PLACE OF THE SEVENTH DAY ON THIS WISE, AND GOD DID REST THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS.
[5], AND IN THIS PLACE AGAIN, IF THEY SHALL ENTER INTO MY REST.

KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 4:1-5

NOTE: CONTEXT is God's REST from the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5) and those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD [the GOSPEL] enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD did on the SEVENTH DAY of the week and those who did not enter into God’s rest (Sabbath) did not do so because they did not believe and follow God’s Word (the gospel). The CONTEXT is GOD's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST and those who believe or do not believe God's WORD (the Gospel that was preached unto them as well as unto us, with those of us entering into God’s Sabbath rest!

Let’s continue…

[6], SEEING THEREFORE IT REMAINS THAT SOME MUST ENTER THEREIN, AND THEY TO WHOM IT WAS FIRST PREACHED ENTERED NOT IN BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF

NOTE: Following on from the earlier contexts therefore it remains that some (those who believe and follow God’s Word – the gospel) and those who God’s Word (the gospel) was first preached did not enter in because of unbelief.

[7], Again, HE LIMITS A CERTAIN DAY, SAYING IN DAVID, TO DAY, AFTER SO LONG A TIME; AS IT IS SAID, TO DAY IF YOU WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, HARDEN NOT YOUR HEARTS.

NOTE 1: He limits a certain day is in reference to David in Psalms 95 where David says…
[8], Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
[9], When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work.
[10], Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:
[11], To whom I swore in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.

Compare this with Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4:1-11. This reference is a warning not to harden our hearts as those in the wilderness that did not enter into God’s seventh day Sabbath rest because of their unbelief and because they did not believe and follow God’s Word (the gospel).

HEBREWS 4:1-7 CONTEXT SUMMARY

(1). Both God’s people in the wilderness and us “today” have had the Gospel preached to us “for to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them” v2

(2). The gospel did not profit those in the wilderness because they did not believe and follow God’s Word.

(3). God’ rest is defined in the scripture context as God’s “seventh day Sabbath rest” v4-5

(4). Those who do not believe and follow the gospel do not enter into God’s “seventh day Sabbath rest” and those of us (today) that do believe and follow Gods’ Word (the gospel) do enter into God’s Sabbath rest v3

(5). Paul is also referencing David in Psalms 95 which is a warning not to harden our hearts to believe and follow God’s Word (the gospel) so that we can enter into Gods’ rest (the seventh day Sabbath) v8

Ok all of the above is the context so far lets continue.

[8], FOR IF JESUS HAD GIVEN THEM REST, THEN WOULD HE NOT AFTERWARD HAVE SPOKEN OF ANOTHER DAY.

Let’s put it all together. Both those in the wilderness and those of us “today” that have received the gospel of God’s Word have both had the gospel (Word of God) preached to us. Those who JESUS gave rest (Sabbath rest) are those of us who believe and follow God’s Word. By believing and following God’s Word we enter into Gods “seventh day Sabbath rest” as defined in Hebrews 4:4-5. The "another day" therefore is in reference to the gospel being preached "unto us" at the coming of the Messiah “Today if you will hear HIS VOICE {JESUS} harden not you’re your heart as in the day of the wilderness (Psalms 95; Hebrews 3). It is those of us that believe and follow God’s Word (the gospel) in JESUS "today" that enter into God’s rest which the context defines as the “seventh day sabbath”

[9] SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.
[10], For he that is entered into HIS REST, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11], LET US LABOR THEREFORE TO ENTER THAT REST, [God’s REST the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH] lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief [rejecting God’s WORD and sin; Hebrews 3].

KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 4:9
Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

The another day is the coming of the messiah and the Gospel of our Lord JESUS Christ and only those who believe and follow his Word enter into his seventh day Sabbath rest. “Therefore it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath

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SABBATH FOREVER: (CLV) Ex 31:16 Hence the sons of Israel will keep the sabbath so as to make the sabbath an eonian covenant throughout their generations.
True this is speaking about God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that is a memorial of creation and God as the creator of heaven and earth. Not the ceremonial "shadow sabbaths" connected to the Feast days pointing to Jesus and God's plan of salvation for mankind under the new covenant based on better promises that the shadows pointed to (see Hebrews 7:1-28; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-28 and Hebrews 10:1-17). Your mixing up the ceremonial sabbaths in the annual feast days with God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments.
PASSOVER FOREVER: “And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to YHWH throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:14) UNLEAVENED BREAD FOREVER: “And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:17)
True the Passover and Feast of unleavened bread, today in the new covenant is continued in Christ to which it pointed to and believing and following God's Word...

1 Corinthians 5:7-8 [7], Purge out therefore the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, as you are unleavened. FOR EVEN CHRIST OUR PASSOVER IS SACRIFICED FOR US: [8], THEREFORE LET US KEEP THE FEAST NOT WITH OLD LEAVEN NEITHER WITH THE LEAVEN OF MALICE AND WICKEDNESS BUT WITH THE UNLEAVENED BREAD OF SINCERITY AND TRUTH.
BIKKURIM (Feast of First Fruits) FOREVER: You shall eat neither bread nor parched grain nor fresh grain until the same day that you have brought an offering to your God; it shall be a statute FOREVER throughout your generations in all your dwellings (Leviticus 23:14) SHAVUOT (Feast of Weeks) FOREVER: “And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute FOREVER in all your dwellings throughout your generations.” (Leviticus 23:21)
True the Feast of First Fruits, today in the new covenant is continued in Christ being raised from the dead and His followers receiving God's Spirit to which it pointed to...

1 Corinthians 15:20 But NOW IS CHRIST RISEN FROM THE DEAD, AND BECOME THE FIRST FRUITS OF THEM THAT SLEPT .

Romans 8:23 [23], And NOT ONLY THEY BUT OURSELVES ALSO WHICH HAVE THE FIRST FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, TO WIT THE REDEMPTION OF OUR BODY.
YOM TERUAH (Feast of Trumpets) FOREVER: The sons of Aaron, the priests, shall blow the trumpets; and these shall be to you as an ordinance FOREVER throughout your generations. (Numbers 10:8)
Only the Levitical Priest can blow the trumpets and the Levitical Priesthood has given way to a new Priesthood in the new covenant of the order of Melchizedek (King Priest) that points to Jesus and His work and ministration as our great High Priest in the Heavenly Sanctuary made without hands. *Hebrews 7:1-28. The next time we will hear these trumpets will be at the second coming

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and WITH THE TRUMPET OF GOD AND THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE:
YOM KIPPUR FOREVER: Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute FOREVER throughout your generations in all your dwellings. (Leviticus 23:31
Represents the cleansing of the Sanctuary from sin and today continues in the work of Jesus on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary made without hands.

Hebrews 9:1-24
[1], Then truly THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES OF DIVINE SERVICE AND A WORLDLY SANCTUARY.
[2], For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the show bread; which is called the sanctuary.
[3], And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
[4], Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
[5], And over it the cherubim of glory shadowing the mercy seat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.
[6], Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
[7], BUT INTO THE SECOND WENT THE HIGH PRIEST ALONE ONCE EVERY YEAR, NOT WITHOUT BLOOD, WHICH HE OFFERED FOR HIMSELF AND FOR THE SINS OF THE PEOPLE COMMITTED IN IGNORANCE
[8], The Holy Ghost this signifying, that THE WAY INTO THE HOLIEST OF ALL WAS NOT YET MADE MANIFEST WHILE THE FIRST TABERNACLE WAS YET STANDING:
[9], WHICH WAS A FIGURE FOR THE TIME THEN PRESENT IN WHICH WERE OFFERED BOTH GIFTS AND SACRIFICES, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
[10], WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS AND DIVERS WASHINGS AND CARNAL ORDINANCES IMPOSED ON THEM UNTIL THE TIME OF REFORMATION.
[11], But CHRIST BEING COME AN HIGH PRIEST OF GOOD THINGS TO COME , BY A GREATER AND MORE PERFECT TABERNACLE NOT MADE WITH HANDS, that is to say, not of this building;
[12], Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
[13], For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies to the purifying of the flesh:
[14], How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
[15], And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
[16], For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[17], For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator lives.
[18], Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
[19], For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
[20], Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God has enjoined to you.
[21], Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
[22], And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
[23], It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
[24], For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
FEAST OF TABERNACLES (Booths / Sukkot) FOREVER: And ye shall keep it a feast unto YHWH seven days in the year. It shall be a statute FOREVER in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.(Leviticus 23:41)
Continued in the new covenant, we are Gods tabernacle and God dwells with men...

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 [16], Know you not that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? [17], If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

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Indeed, today they are fulfilled or being fulfilled and kept through Christ to who they point to. The literal application under the old covenant is "in your generations" for all the scriptures supplied here which were in force while the covenant is active. We are in the new covenant now and these same shadows are continuing to be fulfilled in Christ and His work in the Heavenly Sanctuary to which they pointed to.

Hope this helps.
 
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God is the Creator of all things. We are here because of Him. What He asks of us seems so little in comparison. When we set out eyes on God and ask for His help to keep all His laws, why is this so difficult?
Sister, happy Sabbath. The reason debated is the Sabbath for so long is because both sides are wrong. We need to take another look at the Sabbath revealed in God's word because no one has fully understood it. Everyone assumes that God gave a start to the first day when He mentioned the word "evening" because of the Sabbath remembered in Israel, but what God really reveals is the end of the first day and we find the start from the end. The first day ends in a "morning"! From what we know about the Sabbath in Israel, a 24-hour period ends with the same word it began. Therefore, God having revealed the end of the first day, He has also revealed the beginning of the 24 hour period having the same word as the end. The days of creation are from morning to morning, just as the Sabbath in Israel is from evening to evening. A 24-hour period ends as it begins: either two evenings like the Sabbath in Israel or two mornings like the first day in Genesis.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

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In Deuteronomy 5:31-33, Moses wrote down everything that God commanded him without departing from it, so all of the Law of Moses is the Law of God, not just the Ten Commandments. Likewise, the Law of Moses is referred to as the Law of God in verses like Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12, and Luke 2:22-23.
Thanks for your comments!

While God commanded laws to Moses, it seems like God made a point though to separate the Ten from the others. The Ten are the only scripture in the Bible both spoken and written by God. Moses wrote down laws that God spoke, but the Ten were written by God. Deuteronomy 4:13-14 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone. 14 And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that you might observe them in the land which you cross over to possess.

Here, Moses separate between the Ten Commandments, which “he commanded you,” from the statues which “the Lord commanded me” to give the people.

Another example of the significance of the Ten is that is was placed in the most Holy of Holy in the ark Exodus 40:20 while the laws spoken to Moses were outside the ark Deuteronomy 31:26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

The laws of God are eternal (just reading each of them seems like they apply yesterday, today, tomorrow) Thou shalt have no other gods, worship idols, vain His name, remember His holy day, honor thy father, don't murder, don't commit adultery, don't steal, don't bear false witness and don't covet. While the laws of God are only 10 it covers so much. Some of the laws of Moses were meant to help the Israelites during the wilderness. Like for example circumcision, that is not one of the Ten and was later defined as such when Paul said 1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

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If God is a legalist for commanding the Mosaic Law and if Jesus is a legalist for living in sinless obedience to it and for teaching his followers how to obey by word and by example, then being a legalist would be being in good company, but that is not what legalism refers to. As you point out, no one is considered to be a legalist for thinking that the laws of their country should be obeyed, so neither is someone a legalist for thinking that followers of God should follow what God has commanded. So legalism is not in regard to thinking that one of many laws should be followed, but rather it is in regard to the manner in which someone follows a particular law without regard to its intent.[/QUOTE]
Agree!
 
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Sister, happy Sabbath. The reason debated is the Sabbath for so long is because both sides are wrong. We need to take another look at the Sabbath revealed in God's word because no one has fully understood it. Everyone assumes that God gave a start to the first day when He mentioned the word "evening" because of the Sabbath remembered in Israel, but what God really reveals is the end of the first day and we find the start from the end. The first day ends in a "morning"! From what we know about the Sabbath in Israel, a 24-hour period ends with the same word it began. Therefore, God having revealed the end of the first day, He has also revealed the beginning of the 24 hour period having the same word as the end. The days of creation are from morning to morning, just as the Sabbath in Israel is from evening to evening. A 24-hour period ends as it begins: either two evenings like the Sabbath in Israel or two mornings like the first day in Genesis.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
This has nothing to do with OP. Please lets keep on topic.
 
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Please see my last post above yours. This is repetition already addressed in the previous post you did not respond to. Paul says that the ceremonial annual sabbaths connected to the Feast days are "shadows" not God's 4th commandment of the 10

True the Moedim are Sabbaths along with the seventh day Sabbath; but Paul mentions the Moedim, then the new moons, then the Sabbaths. I don't believe that Paul was blathering on, and repeating himself to fill up space in his letters. Even though the Moedim are Sabbaths, when one mentions Sabbath, the seventh day Sabbath is usually the first thing that comes to mind. I don't make an exception in this case; however, I keep YHWH's eternal Moedim.

Gods' 10 commandments written on stone are "eternal laws"

So are YHWH's Moedim. And?
 
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True the Moedim are Sabbaths along with the seventh day Sabbath; but Paul mentions the Moedim, then the new moons, then the Sabbaths. I don't believe that Paul was blathering on, and repeating himself to fill up space in his letters. Even though the Moedim are Sabbaths, when one mentions Sabbath, the seventh day Sabbath is usually the first thing that comes to mind. I don't make an exception in this case; however, I keep YHWH's eternal Moedim.
So are YHWH's Moedim. And?

There are many kinds of sabbaths in the old testament scriptures that are not God's 4th commandment that has a different purpose to God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken. Most of the sabbaths are linked directly to the Feast days and not a weekly day as Gods' Sabbath is. The scriptural context of Colossians 2:16-17 is specifically to the Feast days and the ceremonial "shadow sabbath" that were shadows of things to come. None of the other Sabbaths are connected to the weekly "seventh day" of the creation week or are they a "memorial" of creation and God as the creator of Heaven and earth *Exodus 20:8-11; Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27-28. AS posted earlier I do not have any problem with anyone wanting to keep the Feast days if they understand what they point to and who they are fulfilled in. No one keeps the Feast days today however without a Levite Priest, animal sacrifice for sins and a temple. It is time to leave the shadows of the old covenant now that the new covenant is here and God has made His own sacrifice and Jesus now ministers on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary made without hands. The Fe now carried on in Christ and his work on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary made without hands of which the earthly was only a copy.
 
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Indeed, today they are fulfilled or being fulfilled and kept through Christ to who they point to. The literal application under the old covenant is "in your generations" for all the scriptures supplied here which were in force while the covenant is active. We are in the new covenant now and these same shadows are continuing to be fulfilled in Christ to which they pointed to.

Hope this helps.

So it's the same with the seventh day Sabbath.

I hope this helps.
 
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