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20 major reasons to reject the Premillennial doctrine
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Awaiting just one name.
There's nothing that I need to show. Scripture does the showing for me.
Calvary wasn't future.
The New Covenant fulfillment wasn't future.
The Church wasn't future.
The destruction of Jerusalem wasn't future.
Antichrists weren't future.
The mystery of iniquity wasn't future.
Seems you forgot some of those "all events".
Paste a quote of me "defending some Roman Catholic tainted view of western science".
No truer words could be spoken of modernist dispensational futurism's perversion of historical orthodox truth.
Who from prior to the 19th century is still writing commentaries today?
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I too: quote scripture, we are told that false teachers will deceive many. 2 Timothy 4:3-4
As every teacher from the ECF's until today have different opinions on what God has planned for our future, they are all wrong in at least some aspects of their beliefs. Just as we all are now!
Your failure to even acknowledge anything that contradicts you, shows you have no case, just bluff and red herring demands.
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When did Christ shed His blood?
Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.
Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.
1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."
2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH— (Quoted from Jeremiah 31:31-34.)
Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
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Quoted exactly in Hebrews 8:8...the days are coming.....
NOT have come and obviously, despite your protestations, are not yet.
Isaiah 61:3-11 tells us when. It proves the New Covenant is not yet made. Only when His faithful people gather in the holy Land, as the righteous nation of Beulah, Isiah 62:1-5, will it happen.
Note: that when the leader of the One World Govt comes to Beulah, some of them will violate the Covenant. Daniel 11:32
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Matthew 26
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Did Jesus extend to His disciples your "no" testament?
Or did He extend to His disciples His New Testament?
A Sunday School kindergartner would know.
Since you deny it, are your sins remitted?
Without His New Covenant's Blood, they cannot be.
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Do you understand what it means when the author of the Book of Hebrews quotes from Jeremiah 31:31-34 in the UPPERCASE text found below?
Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
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People who believe things exist, when the reality is otherwise, are in the mire of confusion and delusion.
I shall set My Laws in your hearts…. Hebrews 8:10
This verse from the New Testament, is a quote from the O.T. –
Jeremiah 31:31-34…The days are coming when I shall set My Laws within them, writing them on their hearts…
Mainstream teaching says we Christians are now under the New Covenant, the Old is obsolete: Hebrews 8:10-13. However, it is fairly obvious that this prophecy of how God’s Laws will be set into our hearts has not yet been fulfilled. The great prophecies in Ezekiel chapters 20, 36 and 37 tell us when, how and why this will happen:
Ezekiel 20:39-44 Now, you Israelites, [Scattered among the nations as at present, but now identified as every true Christian person. Romans 9:8] go and serve your idols. But in days to come, I shall punish you for your disobedience to Me and no more will you desecrate My holy Name with your idolatries. But after I have gathered you into the Land of Israel, you will serve Me and the nations will witness it. You will know that I am the Lord, [BEFORE the Return of Jesus, Ezekiel 34:30] when I bring you back to the Land that I swore to give to your forebears and you will despise your old evil ways and follow only My Commandments. You will know that the Lord has done this for you, not for your sake, but for the honour of His holy Name.
Ezekiel 36:1-7…the enemy boasts: The ancient heights of Israel are ours. [the current situation] Therefore the Lord says: The mountains of Israel, now occupied by other peoples and plundered and despoiled by them, so I will act in the heat of My anger against those Edomite peoples who have seized My Land as spoil. [Edom: the descendants of Esau, now identified as the Islamic peoples.] Jeremiah 12:14, Ezekiel 30:2-5
This will be the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, an event extensively prophesied throughout the Bible – a literal Day of fire from the sun, earthquakes, tsunamis and powerful storms. All of the world will be affected, but the full force of this disaster will hit the Middle East, virtually depopulating the entire area.
These are the great promises of our redemption and the great gathering:
Ezekiel 37:11-14 The Lord said: These bones are the whole people of Israel, [every Christian person] They say: Our bones are dry, [spiritually bereft] our hope is gone [Acts 26:6-7] and we are cut off. [separated from the holy Land] Prophesy, therefore, the Lord God has said: My people, I shall bring you out of your graves, [your dead spiritual condition] I shall put My spirit into you, redeem and purify you, then I shall settle you into your heritage. Ezekiel 30:11-31, Ezekiel 20:34-38
Ezekiel 36:24-28 The Lord says: I am going to take the Israelites from where they are among the nations, I shall assemble them from every location and bring them to their homeland. I shall purify them from everything that defiles them, give them a new heart and put a new spirit within them. I shall place My spirit in My people, they will conform to My statutes and observe My Laws faithfully. THEN they will live in the holy Land that I gave to their forebears, they will be My people and I will be their God.
Isaiah 51:1-2…We Christians belong to the Seed from Abraham. Galatians 3:26-29
So, the sequence of events is: first, the great Day of the Lord’s wrath, next His people are gathered and purified, then they are settled into all of the holy Land. About 10 years later, Jesus will Return for His Millennium reign.
I shall set My Laws in your hearts…. Hebrews 8:10
This verse from the New Testament, is a quote from the O.T. –
Jeremiah 31:31-34…The days are coming when I shall set My Laws within them, writing them on their hearts…
Mainstream teaching says we Christians are now under the New Covenant, the Old is obsolete: Hebrews 8:10-13. However, it is fairly obvious that this prophecy of how God’s Laws will be set into our hearts has not yet been fulfilled. The great prophecies in Ezekiel chapters 20, 36 and 37 tell us when, how and why this will happen:
Ezekiel 20:39-44 Now, you Israelites, [Scattered among the nations as at present, but now identified as every true Christian person. Romans 9:8] go and serve your idols. But in days to come, I shall punish you for your disobedience to Me and no more will you desecrate My holy Name with your idolatries. But after I have gathered you into the Land of Israel, you will serve Me and the nations will witness it. You will know that I am the Lord, [BEFORE the Return of Jesus, Ezekiel 34:30] when I bring you back to the Land that I swore to give to your forebears and you will despise your old evil ways and follow only My Commandments. You will know that the Lord has done this for you, not for your sake, but for the honour of His holy Name.
Ezekiel 36:1-7…the enemy boasts: The ancient heights of Israel are ours. [the current situation] Therefore the Lord says: The mountains of Israel, now occupied by other peoples and plundered and despoiled by them, so I will act in the heat of My anger against those Edomite peoples who have seized My Land as spoil. [Edom: the descendants of Esau, now identified as the Islamic peoples.] Jeremiah 12:14, Ezekiel 30:2-5
This will be the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, an event extensively prophesied throughout the Bible – a literal Day of fire from the sun, earthquakes, tsunamis and powerful storms. All of the world will be affected, but the full force of this disaster will hit the Middle East, virtually depopulating the entire area.
These are the great promises of our redemption and the great gathering:
Ezekiel 37:11-14 The Lord said: These bones are the whole people of Israel, [every Christian person] They say: Our bones are dry, [spiritually bereft] our hope is gone [Acts 26:6-7] and we are cut off. [separated from the holy Land] Prophesy, therefore, the Lord God has said: My people, I shall bring you out of your graves, [your dead spiritual condition] I shall put My spirit into you, redeem and purify you, then I shall settle you into your heritage. Ezekiel 30:11-31, Ezekiel 20:34-38
Ezekiel 36:24-28 The Lord says: I am going to take the Israelites from where they are among the nations, I shall assemble them from every location and bring them to their homeland. I shall purify them from everything that defiles them, give them a new heart and put a new spirit within them. I shall place My spirit in My people, they will conform to My statutes and observe My Laws faithfully. THEN they will live in the holy Land that I gave to their forebears, they will be My people and I will be their God.
Isaiah 51:1-2…We Christians belong to the Seed from Abraham. Galatians 3:26-29
So, the sequence of events is: first, the great Day of the Lord’s wrath, next His people are gathered and purified, then they are settled into all of the holy Land. About 10 years later, Jesus will Return for His Millennium reign.
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The author of the Book of Hebrews used the word "now" in the New Covenant passage of Hebrews 8:6-13, and in Hebrews 10:16-18, but you refer to the Old Testament passages and insist Jeremiah 31:31-34 has not been fulfilled yet.
Either the author of the Book of Hebrews is confused, or you are confused.
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Actually it is you that doesn't read the prophesies for what they say.
All those OT prophesies tell us that the Lord will make a Covenant with His people, the faithful Christians; when they are settled into the holy Land.
The results of that Covenant, as per Hebrews 8:10-12, are not yet a reality. They are yet to happen in the future; maybe the not too distant future!
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Can you explain what it means when a New Testament writer quotes an Old Testament passage word-for-word, and begins the passage with the word "now"?
What does the word "now" mean in your dictionary?
Compare Jeremiah 31:31-34, to Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18.
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You just told us less than 24 hours ago that Christ fulfilled His New Covenant in His Blood.
Have you already recanted?
Hebrews 9:16-17 assures us that His Covenant became of force when He died.
Have you already forgotten?
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If I had two yap dogs, I know the names to call them!
Be good if you read what I say, not what you think I say.
The 'now' in Hebrews 8:6, doesn't appear in most translations and if it does, 'now' refers to His Ministry NOT the future new Covenant.
It remains for us to fulfil our side of the new Covenant.
Be good if you read what I say, not what you think I say.
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Two yap dogs provide effective detection of, and protection from, doctrinal trespassers.
Forgive me for thinking that you'd finally arrived at the truth.
What happens to you if you die before you've fulfilled your side of the New Covenant?
Does your doctrine of a decapitated covenant originate in the British Israelism cult to which you subscribe?
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What you do actually provide, is a venue for me to promote the Biblical truths. It is then up to the other viewers here to decide who is right.
At the very least, I have been able to show there is another way to see, for example: the timing for the fulfillment of the new Covenant.
Millions of Christians have died over the age. They wait for the final Judgment, after the Millennium. Revelation 20:11-15
The prophesies for the end times are for the living, faithful Christians, who will be the ones to make the new Covenant with the Lord, as He blesses them in the holy Land. Isaiah 32:15-18
Read Daniel 11:32, where it says some of those Christians will violate the Covenant. How do you reconcile this verse and its context, with your beliefs?
Noted: that you have to resort to personal accusations again.
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What is the word found in the original Greek?
Hebrews 8:6
(KJV+) ButG1161 nowG3570 hath he obtainedG5177 a more excellentG1313 ministry,G3009 by how muchG3745 alsoG2532 he isG2076 the mediatorG3316 of a betterG2909 covenant,G1242 whichG3748 was establishedG3549 uponG1909 betterG2909 promises.G1860
G3570
νυνί
nuni
noo-nee'
A prolonged form of G3568 for emphasis; just now: - now.
Total KJV occurrences: 21
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Every opportunity to compare the claims of modernist futurism against the collective unanimity of the historical defenders of the true faith, is welcomed.
Daniel 11:32 and the majority of Daniel 11 is an historical account of the Antiochus dynasty, within from the 5th to the 1st centuries BCE.
There were no Christians then.
Are you ashamed to be a British Israelite?
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Do you understand that the prophecy made in Jeremiah 31:31-34 was being quoted in Hebrews 8:8-12? The time that was coming was future to the time the prophecy was made by Jeremiah, not future to the time Hebrews 8:8 was written.
The new covenant was established by the blood of Christ, so how can you say it was not in force from the death of Jesus?
Luke 22:20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
If the new covenant is not in effect then we are not saved because we are not saved without the shed blood of Christ. Do you believe that you are not saved?
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Now, Jesus became the Mediator of the new Covenant, which remains to happen in the future.
The fulfilled prophecy about A4E, is found in Daniel 8:1-22
Daniel 11:21-45 is about another king, whose deeds have not yet occurred. At the time of the end, as verse 40 says.
If I was, I would be less ashamed than if I was a preterist denier of the Prophetic Word.
The truth of who are the Israel of God now, is plainly stated by Paul in Galatians 3:26-29 & Galatians 6:14-16
We are saved if we accept the Atoning sacrifice of Jesus.
But obviously the results of the NC are still future. Your avoidance of Hebrews 8:10-12 shows the weakness of your beliefs.
You again question my salvation. If you had a genuine case for your beliefs, such personal attacks would not be necessary.
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This is double-talk meant to make your viewpoint work.
Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.
Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.
1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."
2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
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