Butterball1
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No, tell me, does ANY SAINT ever decide to leave the church?
Of course not. The FACT that they "went out" from the church
demonstrates they were NEVER PART of the "wheat". Or do you
not know of this Scripture?
1Jn_2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us;
for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
This is the SAME as your verse in Galatians...
they "went out from us" [the wheat] because they were NOT
"of us". And them going out MAKES MANIFEST that they were
not "of us".
Read 1 Jn 2:19 (above) again and again and again...
until you finally UNDERSTAND and ACCEPT the Biblical doctrine
that those who "go out" from the church were NEVER saved...
which is PROVEN by the fact they "went out".
Listen, I asked you before...
Does any REAL SAINT ever forsake the church?
Why do you not answer that easy question?
Because it proves your "logic" to be delusion.
Revelations 2:4-5 "Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent."
Here is case at Ephesus where they did not leave the church but if they did not repent of the things commanded the church (candlestick, Rev 1:20) God would take the church from them. They would no longer be recognized by God as being His church. They may coninue to meet and take the Lord's Supper etc, but God would not recognize them as His people....if they will not repent.
1 Jn 2:19 "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."
--if those antichrists John speaks about were never saved then the most the verse proves is a never saved person was never saved, it does not prove it is impossi le for one to fall away.
--let's assume those antichrist had once been saved and of the church, the verse still does not prove your point:
a) John does NOT say they were NEVER of us but that they were not of at the time they went out from us. They may have been saved at point (A) remained faithful till point (B) where they no longer let what they had heard (the gospel) abide in them (1 John 2:24) and THEN FELL away from them and continued to not be a part of them from point (B) to they left at point (C).
Furthermore if it is impossible for one to fall away then the warning, admonition John gives in 1 John 2:24 is pointless, needless and senseless. John says " If (conditional word) that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father." THerefore again, it may have been those people were faithful Christians many years with God's word abiding in them but they did not conditionally let God's word abide in them, they may have been lead astray by the false teachings of the Gnostics thereby falling away from Christ, then they no longer of them and was not of them til they day they went out from them.
b) John is talking about specific people in this context, these antichrist. THerefore no matter if they were "never saved" you cannot use them to make universal application. For there are examples of those who were of the church, Christian who had been redeemed by fell away, 2 Peter 2:1 who went from being washed, cleansed of their sin back to wallowing in the mire of sin, 2 Peter 2:22.
In Acts 15 there were those who were teaching a false teaching, "Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved". ..that the Gentiles could not be saved unless they were circumcised, the Apostles met with the church in Jerusalem to discuss this matter, verse 2. James speaks at this meeting and in verse 24 "Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:" Those false teachers came from the church teaching things without authority of the Apostles. THe fact they "went out from us" does not in any way imply they were 'never of us'.
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