Discussion So if God says something to you and it doesn't happen ...

Nowhere near enough information to answer that.

It doesnt affect my faith. It was a wrong call and it was from me and my thoughts/feelings/emotions. Not from god.
If god really tells me something , its going to happen . No such thing as error on gods part

Then it wasn't God. Could be any number of other things, but it wasn't God. Even if it was, someone who hears from God like that would know how to handle it already.

If "god" says something to me and it doesn't happen then I was deceived by Satan and it wasn't God who spoke.

It would affect my faith by allowing me to repent, and beg His help to become more discerning... I would also seek a better relationship with Him, and reconsider my current approach to the Faith.

Michael Collum said:

So if God says something to you, and it doesn't happen ...

How does this affect your faith?

and what is your reaction?

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Either it was someone other than God who said it, or I didn't follow God's instructions.

Sometimes prophesy indicates opportunity rather than outcome.

God may indicate an open door.

We still have to walk through it...

Michael Collum said:

So if God says something to you, and it doesn't happen ...

How does this affect your faith?

and what is your reaction?

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Michael Collum said:

So if God says something to you, and it doesn't happen ...

How does this affect your faith?

and what is your reaction?

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When it comes to current events, like the political prophesy around the US election I am trying to give various people as much rope as I can, before officially saying they failed etc. even though things look very bleak, unlikely etc.


But I got to say things, don't look good and I got some beefs with how prophesy is talked about, taught etc.

1) Yes there is conditional prophesy, but I don't really see a Word of Faith dynamic needed for things to be fulfilled in general in the Bible, where some how we need to achieve some many Faith points scored for such a such a thing fulfilled. Prophesy should not be a Christian application of "the Power of Positive Thinking"


2) God often does things based on Providence etc. even when people have a horrible outlook, no Faith etc. He often makes something happen because it fits into his plan and his general will etc. That actually was the case for a lot of prophesy in the Bible. But it's funny how we don't hear about that sort of thing in modern times, like this kind of notion is not in the Lexicon of ideas among many "prophets".

Michael Collum said:

So if God says something to you, and it doesn't happen ...

How does this affect your faith?

and what is your reaction?

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I am hesitant to post this. Well God has never said anything to me personally, this past few weeks have been a roller coaster for me and it almost shipwrecked my faith. I was close to just walking away which I thought about for about 0.03 seconds. I am better but not alright, I am sure you all think I am an awful person now.

I should add, however, that no one hears perfectly from the Holy Spirit. I still believe prophecies are alive and well in the Christian faith, however, they are misused a lot. With a lot of prophecies, it's one of those things that a lot of the time people like the sensationalism of them without grasping exactly what they are prophesying themselves. Like, having a prophecy that Trump is going to be the president and being super emphatic about it... I think there should actually be prophecies that are not even said. Paul gives the details of how to give prophecies...
1 Corinthians 14:26-33 What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up. If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God. Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. If a revelation is made to another sitting there, let the first be silent. For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged, and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets. For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.

Michael Collum said:

So if God says something to you, and it doesn't happen ...
How does this affect your faith?
and what is your reaction?

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Are you sure he said you were going to see it happen or was it a few dozen generations down the line?

Taodeching said:

I am hesitant to post this. Well God has never said anything to me personally, this past few weeks have been a roller coaster for me and it almost shipwrecked my faith. I was close to just walking away which I thought about for about 0.03 seconds. I am better but not alright, I am sure you all think I am an awful person now.

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Don't turn your back on God... but rather, toward Him. There are Godly pastors, just stop listening to those who aren't of God..

Your not an awful person, no one thinks it.

This forum is only for posters who believe in the manifestation of the spiritual gifts and they're for today per forum rules.

Both Abraham and Jonah were told by God Didnt happen
"And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of." "And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son." Gen 22
Jonah: "Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me." "And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown."

Sometimes the lesson is - will we obey what we're told as Abraham and Jonah.

Yet "Samuel grew; the Lord was with him and let none of his words fall to the ground." I Sam 3:19

Prophetic words are to be tested "Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." I Thess 5:20-21 This is a difference between OT and NT prophets. Don't know any prophets that don't try to hear acutely accurate then encourage folks to get confirmation for themselves. (Acts 9).

Think there's more for all of us to learn from this. Maybe "This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;" I Tim 1:18

True Counterphobia said:

I should add, however, that no one hears perfectly from the Holy Spirit. I still believe prophecies are alive and well in the Christian faith, however, they are misused a lot. With a lot of prophecies, it's one of those things that a lot of the time people like the sensationalism of them without grasping exactly what they are prophesying themselves. Like, having a prophecy that Trump is going to be the president and being super emphatic about it... I think there should actually be prophecies that are not even said. Paul gives the details of how to give prophecies...
1 Corinthians 14:26-33 What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up. If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God. Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. If a revelation is made to another sitting there, let the first be silent. For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged, and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets. For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.

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We have to understand what ought to be happening there.

First, the congregation should contain those with the gift of discerning spirits. When a prophesy is made, it is those with that gift who do the "weighing" and respond with an "amen" if they discern that the prophesy is true. That's what is supposed to be happening when the pastor says, "Can I get an 'amen?'" or "Can I get a witness?" If the Holy Spirit does not confirm what has been said, nobody should give him an "amen"... the pastor then knows he was on the wrong tangent. People who don't have that gift should not be saying anything.

Just like tongues, every thing, including prophesies, must be confirmed by two or three witnesses. And if the prophesy turns out to fail, we have to side-eye those witnesses as well.

Personally, I don't believe the gift of prophesy currently extends beyond the level of individuals or congregations. I think that prophesies involving the entire Body of Christ or entire nations are already spoken in scripture, and anybody claiming such expansive prophesies is actually trying to add to scripture. The subtext I discern in 1 Corinthians 14 is that all those gifts are for the edification of that congregation, those people who are in one accord with each other.