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HI Read Rev 13 and you see the antichrist gains control for 42 months which would be the middle of the week if the tribulation is Daniels 70th week. This make a lot of sense in that 2 Thes 2 says the man of sin is revealed in the Temple and preforms lying signs and wonders and want to be worshiped as above god. This would coincide to Daniels saying in the middle of the week having the daily sacrifice stopped and this mid point being the abomination of desolation. Dan 7 shows the same time line with a pompous guy persecuting for a time times and half a time before the son of man is given the kingdom that covers the earth and has no end. this pompous guy is given to the flame the same as the beast both after persecuting the saints for a time times and half a time.

Mike Tang said:

Before Jesus can return, is there supposed to be a New World Order where the "anti-christ" is supposed to be the leader of for 7 years before Jesus returns ?

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No. That is a man-made interpretation to fit their premillennial doctrine. Nowhere in Scripture that teaches "7-year" tribulation with one supernatural man called "antichrist".

Is this is what is supposed to happen ?

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Not going to happen despite tons of false predictions and interpretations from YouTube, books, and even some false prophets here.

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Is this is what is supposed to happen ?

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Yes, as literally described in Revelation.
The world and all that is in it are God's Creation, He will correct it, as He did in the days of Noah.
Everyone has the choice; follow God and keep His Commandments, or follow Satan and join his fate.

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Or if it's not the "anti-christ"... is it the "Man of Lawlessness/Man of Sin" ?

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Simply put, Satan is the spirit of antichrist which is manifested (revealed) in wicked men.

It's my belief that "Antichrist" has been grossly misunderstood. Again, antichrist is a spirit, the spirit that works within the unsaved and opposes Christ in the church. Not one man, but many. God see every individual as "man of sin." The word itself even implies a pseudo-christ or a substitute Christ. It illustrates "a false Christ." Technically, the man of sin and Antichrist are not "exactly" the same, except that one (the spirit) works within the other. Antichrist is the spirit of Satan that opposes Christ, while the man of sin (the sinful man) is man with the spirit of Satan working within him. Just as the Spirit of God works within a "man unto lawfulness," so the spirit of Satan works within "man to lawlessness," or as is Biblically known, the man of sin. Selah! In other words, sin = lawlessness and the man who is lawless is he who forsakes God's laws. He is he that will come to rule in the church, not a single man, but every single man of sin (lawlessness).

Every man has the spirit of Satan is called the man of lawlessness (or the man of sin) collectively simply because that is what he is. The unrighteous man as opposed to the righteous man (Proverbs 13:5). Thus the sinful or lawless man and the spirit of Antichrist are the same only as one resides within the other. Clearly, this is how Satan rules the kings of the earth, and this is how the Apostle Paul could declare that there were many Antichrists even in his day. Because Antichrist is the sinful man, of which there were many.

1st John 2:18-19

• "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
• They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."

There were many men with the spirit of antichrist (men of sin) in Paul's day, and they were in the church but fell away because they were not truly of Christ. They were of the spirit of the anti (in place of) Christ, and that is why the apostle Paul says "they were not truly of them and went out from them." They were not truly of the spirit of Christ, but of the spirit of the pseudo christ, which is why they chose to forsake the church.

Many Christians wonder how the prophecy can be that "Antichrist should come," if Paul says that he was already there at that time? The answer is simple, because the spirit of Satan was at work in the world within man deceiving (witnessed by Paul saying they went out from them) some even then, but Christ had also bound the spirit Satan by His cross that it was restrained in its power so that His church could be built from the Gentiles/Nations. In other words, though Antichrist was going forth as a roaring lion deceiving some, he couldn't yet come in the fullness of his spiritual power to deceive the nations (Revelation 20) "until" after the period God says the nations were not to be deceived (Revelation 20:3) as the church was built in this millennial or 1000 year reign of Christ.

After the millennial reign of the nations being set free from spiritual bondage, then this spirit will be loosed from its chains to freely go forth to deceive the nations again and gather the wicked to assault the camp of the saints with full force of spiritual power that was taken from him at the Cross.

This word [anti] as applied to Christ is more clearly defining a substitute Christ, or that which is 'instead of' Christ. Therefore it is a synonym for "false Christ" or pseudo Christ, a substitute for the true. Those with the spirit of Antichrist are those who come as the church with the spirit of a false Christ. For example, professing Christians who are not truly Christians or not truly saved. As the apostle Paul says (1st John 2:18-19), they went out from us "because" they were not of us. Selah! They did not have the Spirit of Christ which would truly make them one of them.

2nd Corinthians 11:13-15

• "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
• And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
• Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

These are the ministers of Satan coming "appearing like ministers of Christ." They are professed Christians. They were the Antichrists or false Christs of Paul's day, as they are of our day! However, the difference is, in the latter days, these are those that will multiply greatly or abound, and this will be near the time of Christ's return. Then you will "SEE" the Antichrist be revealed in all his power to gather together the Gentiles (unsaved) against the camp of the saints. Those men with the spirit of the pseudo Christ, who worship a substitute Christ in the spirit of disobedience so that the sinful man is then ruling in the Holy Temple (God's house) in place of God.

So under the false premillennial doctrine, the term "anti-Christ" as it is often understood to be "ONE" personage that is supposed to come, is a misnomer. The Bible defines it as the spirit that is prophesied to come, and yet was already in the world at the time the apostle Paul was inspired to write the text. That hardly qualifies as one man.

Like is the Man of Lawlessness/Sin supposed to rule for 7 years or 1335/1290/1260 days or something ? Before Jesus returns ?

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Show me the chapter and verses where God said there will be literally seven years of Great Tribulation exactly. Then we will go from there.

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Yes, as literally described in Revelation.

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LOL! Like frogs literally coming out of men's mouth, Revelation 16. Or...

Rev 16:3-4
(3) And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
(4) And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

Do you honestly think all waters on Earth will literally turns into blood cells with chromosomes in them? Where will it come from, actually?

Seriously, all the "physical" events in the Old Testament were only an example or spiritual picture for the New Testament. It does not mean that everything in Revelation will be fulfilled literally like you wanted us to believe with all the literal theory craps coming out of YouTube, books, etc. No, you need to have spiritual discernment or wisdom of Christ. Tell me, what does the water often represents in the Gospel? What does blood represent? Look at Exodus for example, during the first plague, the waters that support Egypt has become blood. Likewise, in Revelation 11, the church has spiritually become Egypt and Sodom. So the water that supports her will become blood. Now, what do you suppose that church's water represents? And why it will be polluted with blood? You need to think carefully and pray for spiritual discernment BY STUDYING THE SCRIPTURE and find God's interpretation! Not force Scripture to be interpreted by TV or national geography! Do your homework instead of writing scripts for another disaster Hollywood movie!

Mike Tank: Before Jesus can return, is there supposed to be a New World Order where the "anti-christ" is supposed to be the leader of for 7 years before Jesus returns ?

JS: This my understanding of this. First the anti-Christ as he is described in Rev.17

9 “Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. 10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. 11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.

Those seven "kings": 1) the Pharaoh who enslaved all Israel, killing all males; 2) Assyria king who exiled Ephraim and absorbed them; 3) Nebuchadnezzar who enslaved Judah; 4) Haman who sough to exterminate Judah, 5) Anti-ochus who sought to draw Judah from their faith. This had already fallen by the time John penned these words.

"One is" was number 6) Nero who persecuted Christians who are part of Ephraim/Israel,

"And the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time" is number 7) Hitler, finial solution sought to whipe out Judah. and had he succeeded Christian/Israel would have followed.

As for the Anti-Christ: he beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition. He is 8) and was because he will resemble in some part all of those seven named antichrists. Is not because he had not yet come so looking looking at that list, this is what we drew from those seven:

1) he will enslave G-d people
2) He will exile them
3) plundered and destroyed the Temple of G-d
4) Sought the death of Judah through trickery
5) Seek to draw Christians and Jews from their faith
6) Persecuted and killed any who stood form in faith or stood out,
7) sough death like Haman only he made himself G-d first,

The antichrist will have all these attributes. AS for the New World Order, its actually an modernized old world order, Babylon Spiritually/ Exactly what that means is anyone's guess. Also Brain McNamee said, his time of true power is only three in a half years, not that he (or she) might not be in power before this. What we suspects this means is three and a half years before Christ comes he/she will declare they are the Messiah.

Mike Tank: Is this is what is supposed to happen?

JS: Its a little more complex than that simple definition as the short excerpt included here is but the tip of the ice burg in definitions. Others here have other details.

One more thing Tribulations Signs is correct, there have been thousands of anti-Christ because anyone who denies Christ (not sees Him differently as Jews do but outright denies Him) while coming out of us is an antichrist. Yet there are as Rev.17 shows, seven BIG ones and there will be one more, both like and unlike those seven that come before him. So if you want to understand the antichrist, study those that came before.

Mike Tang said:

Before Jesus can return, is there supposed to be a New World Order where the "anti-christ" is supposed to be the leader of for 7 years before Jesus returns ?

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The first problem there is the "Before Jesus can...". Any idea that begins with the assumption that our Lord is unable to do something or other before some condition is met is inherently flawed. God can do just as He chooses, at any time. The idea of placing conditions on Him is ludicrous.

Mike Tang said:

Hi,

Before Jesus can return, is there supposed to be a New World Order where the "anti-christ" is supposed to be the leader of for 7 years before Jesus returns ?

Is this is what is supposed to happen ?

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Some have tried to get a 7 year tribulation out of Daniel 9:27 by taking it out of its New Covenant context.
Are we supposed to believe the angel Gabriel came to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then the angel failed to even mention the New Covenant?


Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner


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BABerean2 said:

Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner

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"to seal up the vision" - in the video, at minute 4:44. No all six points have not been fulfilled.
The vision is still left to be fulfilled.

Dr. Kelly Varner apparently was not aware that Daniel had no vision in Daniel 9. The vision Gabriel referred
to in Daniel 9 is the vision that Daniel had of the little horn person and the 2300 days, which in the text of
Daniel 8 is stated by Gabriel as being the time of the end.

To bad Dr. Kelly Varner is no longer with us, that he could have been made aware of his misunderstanding.

Here is my own video about that vision in Daniel 9 Gabriel was referring to. And another recent video
regarding the timeframe expressions in Daniel and Revelation - and the 7 years in Revelation (the 70th week of Daniel 9)

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"to seal up the vision" - in the video, at minute 4:44. No all six points have not been fulfilled.
The vision is still left to be fulfilled.

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The summary found in Daniel 9:24 has been fulfilled by the Messiah Jesus Christ, as found below in the New Testament.


Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.


Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

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BABerean2 said:

The summary found in Daniel 9:24 has been fulfilled by the Messiah Jesus Christ, as found below in the New Testament.


Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.


Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

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Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

The vision and prophecy of the little horn and the 2300 days is still unfulfilled.

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Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

The vision and prophecy of the little horn and the 2300 days is still unfulfilled.

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John 10:22

(ESV) At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter,

(ESV+) At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter,

(Geneva) And it was at Hierusalem the feast of the Dedication, and it was winter.

(GW) The Festival of the Dedication of the Temple took place in Jerusalem during the winter.

(KJV) And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

(KJV+) AndG1161 it wasG1096 atG1722 JerusalemG2414 theG3588 feast of the dedication,G1456 andG2532 it wasG2258 winter.G5494

(NKJV) Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter.

(YLT) And the dedication in Jerusalem came, and it was winter,

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Douggg said:

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

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Misapply of Scripture. Nothing in Daniel 9:24 talked about your "little horn." This verse obviously talked about God's salvation plan for His people, Israel with Christ being the Most Holy. Do not be confused with strictly Jews only or national Israel, but Congregation Israel -- making up of all Elect from Old and New Testament IN CHRIST whom God has anointed, according to Scripture BABeran quoted you.

Moreover...

Mark 3:26-27

• "And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
• No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house."

The strong man is a figure of Satan, Christ is the one who has come to spoil His house/kingdom, the spoil is all the elect that were held captive in this spiritual Prison, and Christ Unambiguously tells us that "FIRST" He had to bind the strong man, Revelation 20! If that doesn't tell you that Satan had to be bound "first" so the Church could be built, then what will.

Isaiah 61:1-2

• "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
• To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;"

Luke 4:18-19

• "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the Captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
• To preach the acceptable year of the Lord."

Isaiah 42:6-7

• "I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
• To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house."

This is what the confirmation of the covenant by Messiah the Prince in Daniel 9 is all about! This is in order to redeem those in captivity, and set those prisoners free, "FIRST" Christ had to bind the strong man Satan. The ransom Christ paid to deliver us from the prison-house of Satan was death. The wages of our sins.

Jeremiah 31:11

• "For the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and ransomed him from the hand of him that was stronger than he."

Therefore, Daniel 9:24-27 does NOT mention one thing about the so-called "evil prince" whether he is Titus, Antiochus IV Epiphanes, or some future antichrist with supernatural power, etc. Nor this has to do with a piece of paper called a "peace treaty." No! It is about God to confirm a covenant with HIS PEOPLE, Israel who He has all the prophecies in verse 24 fulfilled! It's between God and His People.

May the Lord give us the wisdom to discern His most holy word.

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John 10:22

(ESV) At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter,

(ESV+) At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter,

(Geneva) And it was at Hierusalem the feast of the Dedication, and it was winter.

(GW) The Festival of the Dedication of the Temple took place in Jerusalem during the winter.

(KJV) And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

(KJV+) AndG1161 it wasG1096 atG1722 JerusalemG2414 theG3588 feast of the dedication,G1456 andG2532 it wasG2258 winter.G5494

(NKJV) Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter.

(YLT) And the dedication in Jerusalem came, and it was winter,

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The little horn and the 2300 days is "time of the end" according to Gabriel.

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The little horn and the 2300 days is "time of the end" according to Gabriel.

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What Gabriel said is found below.


Dan 8:20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
Dan 8:21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
Dan 8:22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.


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BABerean2 said:

What Gabriel said is found below.


Dan 8:20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
Dan 8:21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
Dan 8:22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.


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13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.

16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

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17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

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Keep reading Douggg;
Daniel 8:18-22 explains that vision of Daniel 8:1-14 is about Alexander the Great and the four kingdoms that followed him.
Antiochus 4 E, was the 'little horn', who stopped the offering for 2300 evenings and mornings; that is 1150 days, the exact period that Maccabees tells us happened; circa 167-164 BC. Fulfilled prophecy!

Daniel 8:17...the vision points to the time of the end. REBible.
It was a pointer to what will happen; NOT the confusing and erroneous way the KJV puts it.

However; from Daniel 8:23-29, the vision is for days far ahead.
Referring to the 'beast' leader of the One World Govt, who will have power for just 42 months, Revelation 13:5.
2300 half days, full days or years, however way you put it, simply doesn't fit anywhere in the end times just before Jesus returns.

BABerean2 said:

What Gabriel said is found below.

Dan 8:20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
Dan 8:21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
Dan 8:22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
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Thanks for quoting Daniel 8, BABeran. Unfourentely, like myself in the past, many people tried to use world history with Daniel 8 for literal interpretations. I have heard about Antiochus IV Epiphanes, Greece and Iran/Iraq etc. etc.

As I said, God is not interested in world history lessons as interpretation for His prophecies. Instead of giving a full commentary of Daniel 8 which is a whole study in itself, I will briefly summarize what Daniel 8 generally talks about.

In God's eyes, by comparing Scripture with Scripture, the vision is about Ram and HeGoat. They transcend time. The Ram with two horns being the kings of Media and Persia. It has two horns. Both horns are high, but the higher came up last. These horns spiritually represent the power of God's powerful congregations, the Old and the New. Remember the horn represents power? Both congregations had the power of the Gospel but it is the New Testament Congregation that came last (or came after the first) is higher because this congregation went forth to the whole world with Gospel.

The rough goat, the king of Grecia, represents Satan and his kingdom. While Satan rules the heathen world, He also rules through false prophets and Christs of the congregation with "dark sentences" of verse 23. Allow me to explain:

It is all about the word, as it is the gospel, the hidden wisdom of God delineated in mysteries, proverbs, parables, riddles, etc. In fact, the word used is actually translated riddle 9 times. By Daniel chapter 8 declaring that this ruler that arises will have an understanding of dark sentences, God is portraying him as a pastor/preacher/minister of the gospel. Dark sentences or Dark Sayings [chiydah] in scripture are a synonym for the mysteries of God's word, which in a sense is hidden or as a riddle not easily understood. By contrast:

Numbers 12:7-8

• "My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
• With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?"

That word translated "dark speech" is the same word translated dark sayings. In this context it means God will not speak to God in dark sayings, but very plainly!

God's Word is "normally" written cryptically, with deeper spiritual meanings, in secrets, hidden mysteries, proverbs, parables, etc. We can get some idea of its meaning by considering the context of the passages that employ the phrase:

Psalms 78:1-2

• "Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth.
• I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:"

Proverbs 1:5-6

• "A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:
• To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings."

Dark sayings are the same word translated dark sentences. It is equated to the "understanding of God's cryptic word."

Okay? Now in the context of Daniel 8, speaking about the latter time of the kingdom, which is obviously the end-time period prior to Second Coming, the Evil Ruler rising after his ministers take over God's New Testament congregation. It means he will be a minister of the gospel, having the understanding to use God's Word craftily, cunningly to gain the advantage of the Church. That old serpent Satan, as the snake in the Garden, understands the law of God to a certain degree, but like his disciples is "subtle" to twist it to his own advantage. That is to say, he is the "false Christ," the seducer to use God's dark sayings of scripture to trick or deceive the people that they would forsake Christ while thinking they serve him (John 16:2). For example, this is what Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyers, Johnthan Prince, Todd White, etc. are doing to God's congregaiton with their lies. This is how Satan is "revealed" through them . Satan is the master deceiver and the father of lies, and his army of false prophets and christs come in that same subtle and subtil way, masquerading imperceptibly as those of love of God, who brings peace and who minister righteousness. As Satan coming into the Garden asking cleverly, "Hath God Said?" Another way to say Antichrist, literally, is to say PseudoChrist or Substitute Christ (FalseChrist). Jesus warned in Matthew 24, that there will be a RISE of false Christs and prophets within God's congregation, and He wasn't talking about the few mentally ill persons who actually claim they are Christ. For they don't deceive anyone. Those coming insomuch as they would deceive the very elect if it were possible. Their doctrine will sounds so good that the Elect could almost couldn't tell the truth from a lie. These are the False Christs far more sinister and dangerous than some mentally ill individuals claiming to be the Messiah. Let's not forget, God's word doesn't warn us that Satan comes as a messenger of light for nothing! It's because he comes as a minister of the gospel, of dark sentences, shrewdly praising God with his mouth and subverting with a bible in his hand. All of this through his false prophets and christs you see in the church today! I am not kidding. As the Priests in Christ's day, understanding dark sentences, but with no "Spiritual" discernment.

2nd Corinthians 11:13-15

• "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
• And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
• Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

Satan himself comes "appearing" as a Messenger of light and life, an ambassador of the gospel when he is really the Messenger/Angel of death and darkness! So it is no great thing if his ministers like, Joel Osteen, also come appearing as "ministers of righteousness." And that is exactly what Daniel chapter 8 means when speaking of this ruler that shall arise, understanding dark sayings, and "thus" causing great destruction and apostasy in God's congregation... in the latter-day of Satan's kingdom prior the end. In other words, when Satan comes out of the bottomless pit after God has finish building His New testament Congregation after secured all Elect He intends to seal ahs been sealed!

Daniel 8:23-25

• "And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, [chiydah] shall stand up.
• And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
• And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand."

After the transgressors (false prophets and christs) come to the full in the congregation to deceive people, THEN Satan is loosed, BY GOD, to bring judgment upon His unfaithful Church. Satan destroys the holy people by silencing their truthful testimony (ie. when the beast kill the Two Witnesses) with his understanding of dark sayings, that he may deceive them thereby. That he may sit to rule as king in the Holy Temple of God "as if" he were God (2nd Thessalonians 2). This is how Satan is revealed to us, Elect, through his ministers, if we have eyes to see who they are! His ministers are those serving him and yet coming with praises of God in their mouths. Those having their lips dripping with the juices of spiritual fornication as ministers of Satan while espoused to Christ.

Just like the Priests, Scribes and the Pharisees of the Old Testament Israel appearing righteous to the masses, with their prayers and studies, and traditions. They understood the scriptures front and back, looked for the Messiah, preached of the restoration, joyed in the inheritance of the Jews, but for all their "apparent" understanding of the word, Christ says they were of their father the Devil. It is because they understood and used the dark sayings, not in the Spirit of Christ to the glory of God, but in the spirit of Satan, and to their own glory and advantage. Or again, as Satan knew Christ, and understood scripture, even serving up passages to Christ to try and deceive Him in the desert:

Luke 4:9-13

• "And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
• For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
• And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
• And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
• And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season."

Here we have Satan, having knowledge and understanding of the scriptures like the average Jewish person of the day would never understand, but using them deceitfully and out of context. And How does the Lord answer the great deceiver's scriptures? With an example to all of us of how we are to answer them. He answers with "other scriptures" qualifying the scripture that Satan offered, declaring It is Written Again... In other words, Christ says there is more than simply that one "out of context" passage Satan quoted that needed to be considered and harmonized. This is why it is IMPORTANT to compare Scripture with Scripture. Not Scripture with World History! And this is how we overcome the great deceiver as well. By trying/testing the Spirits by the word of God. That way we will never be deceived by sententious language or dark sayings twisted by Satan's ministers. We'll know the gathering of nations in Ekiekel 38/39 and Revelation 20 has NOTHING to do with Russian, nor the camp of the saints with the physical land of Israel in the middle east, nor the reign of Christ with an establishment of an earthly/worldly Kingdom in Jerusalem for 1,000 years. Because we have something those deceived don't have. The Spirit of truth that "teaches" through the word, rather than the spirit of Antichrist that teaches through the world. And we not be left ashamed by listening to the words of men rather than the words of the Bible. That we are not seduced, deceived, led away in different lusts by the great harlot.

1st John 2:26-28

• "These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
• But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
• And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming."

If we hold fast to the doctrines taught us, we will not be deceived by the evil ruler arising that has an understanding of dark sentences. Though he will be skilled in subtlety and understands how to use the bible to gain advantage and position, we have one greater dwelling within us that teaches us what is truth and what is lawlessness. This is who the King of Grecia is. He is the enemy of God's congregation, the Ram, representing old and new congregation.

Right now, I KNOW that Satan has already been loosened from the bottomless pit and is attacking God's congregations all over the world to deceive many with false teachings. But his power and reign will only last a short season which is what the "little horn" refers to!

Hope this helps.