Ricky Schroder and Mike Lindel bail out Kylie Rittenhouse

They'll be cancelled now. We're in the new dark age.

Rittenhouse allegedly flashed white power signs, serenaded with Proud Boys anthem during bar visit with his mom after his arraignment

During Kyle Rittenhouse’s recent visit to a Racine County tavern, he drank beer, flashed white power signs while posing for photos, and was serenaded with the Proud Boys anthem, according to documents filed by prosecutors Wednesday.

Police found Rittenhouse did not violate the conditions of his $2 million bond — state law allows people who are underage to drink if accompanied by a parent or guardian. But they did forward the video on to prosecutors.

And the prosecutors are seeking to change the conditions of his bond

“In these photographs, the defendant and the other adult males flashed the 'OK' sign, which has been co-opted as a sign of ‘white power’ by known white supremacist groups," the motion states.

They really need to rethink the "flashing white power signs" case here...otherwise they could end up making themselves feel foolish when the supposed "white power sign" actually ends up getting explained to them.

It started in early 2017 as a hoax. Anonymous users of 4chan, an anonymous and unrestricted online message board, began what they called “Operation O-KKK,” to see if they could trick the wider world — and especially, liberals and the mainstream media — into believing that the innocuous gesture was actually a clandestine symbol of white power.

So basically, the hand gesture was nothing more than a way to mess with people on the left, and once enough people on the left took the bait, far-right folks started doing it just because they knew it make the folks on the left angry.

Maybe they can also change his bond condition to enforce a strict "no bowl-cut policy"
'OK' hand gesture, 'Bowlcut' added to hate symbols database


The "OK gesture" hoax was basically the right-wing equivalent as the ALLOD hoaxes (where a left-leaning author ran a fake news site called 'America's Last Line of Defense'), and would see how many right-wing folks and pundits they could get fall for it and think it's real (their article images would always have little eater eggs to identify the satire to other who were also in on it so they knew to play along), and would refer to the people they tricked as "Taters".

People see what they frantically want to see.

I love how someone tracked down a two month old thread, just to make a point about Rittenhouse and the Proud Boys, lol.

I'm glad to see Kyle free and hopefully enjoying life again. And the Proud Boys can serenade me anytime.

NerdGirl said:

And the Proud Boys can serenade me anytime.

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How wholesome and sweet.

ThatRobGuy said:

“In these photographs, the defendant and the other adult males flashed the 'OK' sign, which has been co-opted as a sign of ‘white power’ by known white supremacist groups," the motion states.

They really need to rethink the "flashing white power signs" case here...otherwise they could end up making themselves feel foolish when the supposed "white power sign" actually ends up getting explained to them.

It started in early 2017 as a hoax. Anonymous users of 4chan, an anonymous and unrestricted online message board, began what they called “Operation O-KKK,” to see if they could trick the wider world — and especially, liberals and the mainstream media — into believing that the innocuous gesture was actually a clandestine symbol of white power.

So basically, the hand gesture was nothing more than a way to mess with people on the left, and once enough people on the left took the bait, far-right folks started doing it just because they knew it make the folks on the left angry.

Maybe they can also change his bond condition to enforce a strict "no bowl-cut policy"
'OK' hand gesture, 'Bowlcut' added to hate symbols database


The "OK gesture" hoax was basically the right-wing equivalent as the ALLOD hoaxes (where a left-leaning author ran a fake news site called 'America's Last Line of Defense'), and would see how many right-wing folks and pundits they could get fall for it and think it's real (their article images would always have little eater eggs to identify the satire to other who were also in on it so they knew to play along), and would refer to the people they tricked as "Taters".

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Thing is, many right wing people have adopted the OK sign as a white power sign.

Much like Pepe the Frog started as a friendly figure in a left wing cartoon, but has since turned into a symbol of the alt right.

Nithavela said:

Thing is, many right wing people have adopted the OK sign as a white power sign.

Much like Pepe the Frog started as a friendly figure in a left wing cartoon, but has since turned into a symbol of the alt right.

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...but where would that end though?

It's basically like saying "If you can trick enough people from one group into buying into a hoax in order to troll them, so much so, that their opponents started actually doing that thing just to antagonize them, now we all have to pretend it's real just to validate their original reaction to it"

If I started an online hoax tomorrow (just to try to trick people from the far-left) claiming that those alligator shirts that people wear...



...is actually a coded message among anti-gay groups that allows them to identify to each other as being part of the hate group.

And a bunch of left-wing folks decided to be so outraged about these shirts, that they started calling for their boycott, and as a response right-wing people (some of which may or may not be actual anti-gay group members) started wearing them just to trigger them...

Does it make more sense for the people on the left to say "ok, you got us...good one, we got tricked", or to pretend a hoax is real and ban alligator shirts just so they don't have to admit they got tricked?


Doubling down on the outrage over okey-dokey hand gesture, even after it was proven to just a be a hoax, is reminiscent of the doubling-down we saw from some of the left-leaning publications after the Jessie Smollett case ended up being a hoax...

Instead of admitting they rushed to judgment and got fooled, and retracting their initial comments, they tried to rationalize it by saying things like "Well, it just goes to show how bad the systemic failures are in America when he felt he needed to go this far and stage an attack just to finally raise awareness about Black and LGBT issues"...or they tried to deflect with articles like this one.

Jussie Smollett isn't the problem. We are

ThatRobGuy said:

...but where would that end though?

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You ignored my actual point: if a movement adopts a sign, it doesn't matter that it wasn't always that movements sign. It is NOW, so it must be treated like a sign of that movement NOW.

The right wing people are NOT only using the OK sign to antagonise the left. They are using it as an actual sign of membership.

Actually...in the land of reality.

Kyle was seen drinking a beer in a bar wearing a "Free as ______" t-shirt and someone called the police thinking that he was violating his parole/bonding out by doing so.

But in Pleasant View an 18 year old so long as it is in the presence of a legal guardian...and his mother was sitting with him at the Table...

So the long and short of it was that he was doing nothing wrong no matter how hard everyone would like for it to not be true.

The story is that there is no story.

JohnDB said:

The story is that there is no story.

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It's not illegal for Trump to say he grabs women by the privates, but it's useful in assessing the man's character.

Nithavela said:

You ignored my actual point: if a movement adopts a sign, it doesn't matter that it wasn't always that movements sign. It is NOW, so it must be treated like a sign of that movement NOW.

The right wing people are NOT only using the OK sign to antagonise the left. They are using it as an actual sign of membership.

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I understand your point...what I'm saying is do you really want to give that much power over society to the alt-right in the name of insulating the left from having to admit they got bested by 4chan trolls?

This is one of those things where people think they're taking power away from them, when in reality, they're handing power over to them.

If the alt-right hears people say "we should be banning any symbol hand gesture, or slogan that the alt-right decides to co-opt, and not using it anymore because it's theirs now", get ready for the non-stop parade of new symbols, hand gestures, and slogans coming from their groups.

...which they could actually turn around and weaponize against entities they don't like if they choose to go that route.

If an alt-right group gets mad about McDonald's having an inclusive bathroom policy for trans people, all they have to do is claim that they've started using the name "nuggets" as a pejorative for trans folks, and start doing a hand gesture that looks like drawing two arches in the air at their rallies...and boom, now all of the sudden McDonalds has to rename one of their most longstanding popular menu items, and rethink their logo and PR strategies in order to appease the "woke mob"

ThatRobGuy said:

I understand your point...what I'm saying is do you really want to give that much power over society to the alt-right in the name of insulating the left from having to admit they got bested by 4chan trolls?

This is one of those things where people think they're taking power away from them, when in reality, they're handing power over to them.

If the alt-right hears people say "we should be banning any symbol hand gesture, or slogan that the alt-right decides to co-opt, and not using it anymore because it's theirs now", get ready for the non-stop parade of new symbols, hand gestures, and slogans coming from their groups.

...which they could actually turn around and weaponize against entities they don't like if they choose to go that route.

If an alt-right group gets mad about McDonald's having an inclusive bathroom policy for trans people, all they have to do is claim that they've started using the name "nuggets" as a pejorative for trans folks, and start doing a hand gesture that looks like drawing two arches in the air at their rallies...and boom, now all of the sudden McDonalds has to rename one of their most longstanding popular menu items, and rethink their logo and PR strategies in order to appease the "woke mob"

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It's a no-win scenario either way.

It is good to see the support for an underage killer having some brews with his homies.

Nithavela said:

It's a no-win scenario either way.

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There's a way to win...

That way is, not to care what colors they wear, or what hand gestures they use, etc...

It's not as if it's going to somehow dismantle their entire organizations by stopping them from using the "okey dokey" hand gesture...and it's certainly not going to dismantle them by stopping everyone else from using it.

The only reason they're still doing it is because it bothers liberals so much.

If liberals had a blasé attitude toward it and acted totally disinterested in whatever their private hand gestures were to each other, they would've stopped using it already.

People are giving them what they want...which is the power make everyone else to change their behavior for their own amusement.

ThatRobGuy said:

There's a way to win...

That way is, not to care what colors they wear, or what hand gestures they use, etc...

It's not as if it's going to somehow dismantle their entire organizations by stopping them from using the "okey dokey" hand gesture...and it's certainly not going to dismantle them by stopping everyone else from using it.

The only reason they're still doing it is because it bothers liberals so much.

If liberals had a blasé attitude toward it and acted totally disinterested in whatever their private hand gestures were to each other, they would've stopped using it already.

People are giving them what they want...which is the power make everyone else to change their behavior for their own amusement.

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Sadly, the often-repeated sentiment that bullies will stop bullying when you ignore them doesn't hold true. They just look for more extreme ways to get the desired reaction while delighting in what they can get away with.

JohnDB said:

Actually...in the land of reality.

Kyle was seen drinking a beer in a bar wearing a "Free as ______" t-shirt and someone called the police thinking that he was violating his parole/bonding out by doing so.

But in Pleasant View an 18 year old so long as it is in the presence of a legal guardian...and his mother was sitting with him at the Table...

So the long and short of it was that he was doing nothing wrong no matter how hard everyone would like for it to not be true.

The story is that there is no story.

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The entire Rittenhouse story was reported in the form of partisan hackery from the beginning.

If there weren't any political connotations, the accurate headline would've read:
"One kid with a gun who had a history of violent tendencies gets into scuffle with 3 other people who also had a history of violent tendencies, and ended up shooting them"

...but because one side was "pro-Trump" and the other side was "anti-Trump", media outlets on both sides raced to their battle stations to report the story in accordance with their narrative.

Left-wing outlets reported it as "This pro-Trump kid with a gun killed 3 peaceful protestors, and look we found this video of him punching a girl 2 years ago"
Right-wing outlets reported it as "They started the fight with him first, and look! 1 of the guys he shot was a convicted pedo and other two had a history of domestic violence"

In reality, the situation was "when you turn the crazies on both sides loose in the streets, and have both sides armed with weapons, things end badly"

Nithavela said:

Sadly, the often-repeated sentiment that bullies will stop bullying when you ignore them doesn't hold true. They just look for more extreme ways to get the desired reaction while delighting in what they can get away with.

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I'm not talking about bullying...obviously if someone's making verifiable threats or physically confronting other people, that's a full-blown legal issue.

I'm talking about people getting bent out of shape over hand-gestures...which isn't the same.

Obviously someone flipping the bird at someone is considered an "offensive hand gesture to most", but if I see two frat bros posing for a lame selfie at a bar (you know the one, where they both flip off the camera to look "edgy" and "cool"...some Jersey Shore nonsense), then that's not bullying.

essentialsaltes said:

Rittenhouse allegedly flashed white power signs, serenaded with Proud Boys anthem during bar visit with his mom after his arraignment
And the prosecutors are seeking to change the conditions of his bond

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And they have succeeded.

A Wisconsin judge has modified the release conditions for Kyle Rittenhouse, the teen charged with killing two men amid protests in Kenosha last year, after prosecutors alleged he drank beers and was "serenaded" with the Proud Boys anthem at a bar while out on bail.

Under the new terms, Rittenhouse is barred from drinking alcohol and prohibited from associating with any group or person known to menace others on the basis of things like race or religion. He can't have any weapons.