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jgr said:

What do you think "is of force" means?

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But the new Covenant was not in force from the death of Jesus.
Hebrews 8:8 says the time is coming when I shall make a new Covenant with the House of Israel and Judah. [now all the Christian peoples]

Your demands that it is in force now, fall flat as the time for it is not yet.
Isaiah 61:3-11 gives when.

keras said:

But the new Covenant was not in force from the death of Jesus.
Hebrews 8:8 says the time is coming when I shall make a new Covenant with the House of Israel and Judah. [now all the Christian peoples]

Your demands that it is in force now, fall flat as the time for it is not yet.
Isaiah 61:3-11 gives when.

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Read it again.

Hebrews 9
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

A testament is of force after men are dead i.e. after men have died.

Jesus, the Testator, died.

His New Testament/Covenant was thus immediately then of force.

In exactly the same way as a will and testament today is immediately of force after the testator dies.

Couldn't be more obvious.

jgr said:

Read it again.

Hebrews 9
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

A testament is of force after men are dead i.e. after men have died.

Jesus, the Testator, died.

His New Testament/Covenant was thus then of force.

In exactly the same way as a will and testament today is of force after the testator dies.

Couldn't be more obvious.

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Dear jgr,
I agree with you. The death of Christ is when the Old Covenant ended and the new covenant started.
The veil in the Holy of Holies was torn marking the change. Also, scripture says:

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Christ caused the "sacrifice and the oblation to cease" in the midst of the week. The midst of the week is half way through the final week of years (3 1/2). The Old Covenant most certainly ended at the cross.
Joe

FaithWillDo said:

Dear jgr,
I agree with you. The death of Christ is when the Old Covenant ended and the new covenant started.
The veil in the Holy of Holies was torn marking the change. Also, scripture says:

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Christ caused the "sacrifice and the oblation to cease" in the midst of the week. The midst of the week is half way through the final week of years (3 1/2). The Old Covenant most certainly ended at the cross.
Joe

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Amen, brother.

keras said:

I repeat; The New Covenant is yet to be cut with His faithful peoples.

This truth is plainly obvious because the results of it are yet to happen.

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So because reality doesn't line up to false expectations.....then God hasn't fulfilled His promises?

I read this verse today.....and it applies to the New Covenant as well.....because God's character is that of being faithful. God can't be anything but faithful and true to His word.

.......the problem of not knowing the "when God had said the NC would come" is what (IMO)causes a person to miss so much of what Jesus's ministry accomplished and just how revolutionary it actually was.

mkgal1 said:

So because reality doesn't line up to false expectations.....then God hasn't fulfilled His promises?

I read this verse today.....and it applies to the New Covenant as well.....because God's character is that of being faithful. God can't be anything but faithful and true to His word.

Genesis 21:2
This happened at just the time God had said it would.

.......the problem of not knowing the "when God had said the NC would come" is what (IMO)causes a person to miss so much of what Jesus's ministry accomplished and just how revolutionary it actually was. ​

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Missed you sister mkgal1, welcome back.

FaithWillDo said:

The death of Christ is when the Old Covenant ended and the new covenant started.

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How come then, that the six results of the New Covenant in operation, have not yet happened? Hebrews 8:10-12
Bible prophecy tell us when the NC will be made. Isaiah 61:8

mkgal1 said:

So because reality doesn't line up to false expectations.....then God hasn't fulfilled His promises?

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God fulfills His Promises in their due timing.
At present, we are in the intra advent age, when people can choose their beliefs and can follow their desires.
We do not yet have God's Laws written in our hearts and He certainly has not yet pardoned our wicked deeds and remembered them no more.
He does promise to do so and for those who remain faithful to Him thru all that must happen, Eternal life is the ultimate reward at the end of it all.

keras said:

How come then, that the six results of the New Covenant in operation, have not yet happened? Hebrews 8:10-12
Bible prophecy tell us when the NC will be made. Isaiah 61:8

God fulfills His Promises in their due timing.
At present, we are in the intra advent age, when people can choose their beliefs and can follow their desires.
We do not yet have God's Laws written in our hearts and He certainly has not yet pardoned our wicked deeds and remembered them no more.
He does promise to do so and for those who remain faithful to Him thru all that must happen, Eternal life is the ultimate reward at the end of it all.

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Dear keras,
Christ is in the process of fulfilling those promises. All His chosen Elect (the First Fruits of His harvest) have had those promises fulfilled. He does so when they receive the Latter Rain of the Spirit:

John 8:3-10 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

A “woman” in scripture represents God’s wife. All who are “in Adam” will be “called” to be God’s wife.

Isa 54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

In the story from John 8:3-10, the woman represents Adam (all mankind). When Christ first writes in the earth it represents the time when He writes His law in our hearts. It is the time of the Early Rain when we are “called out” by Christ to be restored to the Father by faith. However, Satan quickly comes to us and deceives us because we remain spiritually blind. Because of his deception, we fall away from faith alone and mix in our own works. This is the sin that leads to death and we remain under the Law. Because this happens, the Pharisees do not drop the stones after Christ first writes in the earth. The Law is still accusing us.

Then in verse 8, Christ stoops down again and writes His Law upon our hearts a second time (the Latter Rain). It is at this point that Christ heals our spiritual blindness and we come out from Satan’s deception. We begin to walk by faith alone and as a result, the Law can no longer accuse us. After this change from Law to Faith, the Pharisees drop their stones and leave. The Law is now of no effect over the woman and we are restored to God.

Joe

jgr said:

Missed you sister mkgal1, welcome back.

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Thanks so much brother.

keras said:

He certainly has not yet pardoned our wicked deeds and remembered them no more.

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I'm sorry for you that you're missing that assurance. It's my belief that the understanding of God's forgiveness is the whole message He desired for us to internalize. It's what compels us to love Him.

keras said:

We do not yet have God's Laws written in our hearts and He certainly has not yet pardoned our wicked deeds and remembered them no more.

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We who have received His Son and have been cleansed by His Blood of His New Covenant,

do and have and are

today.

mkgal1 said:

I'm sorry for you that you're missing that assurance. It's my belief that the understanding of God's forgiveness is the whole message He desired for us to internalize. It's what compels us to love Him.

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I do have the Blessed Assurance of being a child of God and the Promise of Eternal life.
But I, like anyone today await the New Covenant to be made with all the Lord's people, as they [we] gather and live in all of the holy Land.
Which will happen after the Lord's Day of fiery wrath.
The New Covenant will be made between the Lord’s faithful Christian peoples, after the Sixth Seal event has cleared and cleansed all of the holy Land:
Ezekiel 34:25 I shall make a Covenant with them for their peace and prosperity....
Isaiah 61:8..... I will grant them a sure reward and make an everlasting Covenant with them.

Isaiah 59:20-21 The Lord will come as a Redeemer to Zion and to those descended from Jacob who repent of their rebellion. This is the Covenant I will make with them: My Spirit will abide with them thru all the following generations.

Jeremiah 32:37-40 I shall gather My people from all the lands where they now live......I will make and everlasting Covenant with them, it will be a joy for Me to do them good.

Ezekiel 37:26 [After the Spiritual regeneration and the rejoining of the tribes] I shall make an everlasting Covenant with them, for their peace and prosperity and their numbers will greatly increase. I will put My Sanctuary in their midst, where it will remain for all time.

keras said:

I do have the Blessed Assurance of being a child of God and the Promise of Eternal life.
But I, like anyone today await the New Covenant to be made with all the Lord's people, as they [we] gather and live in all of the holy Land.
Which will happen after the Lord's Day of fiery wrath.
The New Covenant will be made between the Lord’s faithful Christian peoples, after the Sixth Seal event has cleared and cleansed all of the holy Land:
Ezekiel 34:25 I shall make a Covenant with them for their peace and prosperity....
Isaiah 61:8..... I will grant them a sure reward and make an everlasting Covenant with them.

Isaiah 59:20-21 The Lord will come as a Redeemer to Zion and to those descended from Jacob who repent of their rebellion. This is the Covenant I will make with them: My Spirit will abide with them thru all the following generations.

Jeremiah 32:37-40 I shall gather My people from all the lands where they now live......I will make and everlasting Covenant with them, it will be a joy for Me to do them good.

Ezekiel 37:26 [After the Spiritual regeneration and the rejoining of the tribes] I shall make an everlasting Covenant with them, for their peace and prosperity and their numbers will greatly increase. I will put My Sanctuary in their midst, where it will remain for all time.

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I don't see any mention of the Blood here.

Where is It?

Are you saying that you have the assurance of being a child of God without faith in Christ's shed Blood of His New Covenant? (Romans 3:25)

keras said:

I do have the Blessed Assurance of being a child of God and the Promise of Eternal life.

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That's good, but I was addressing what was stated here:

jgr said:

I don't see any mention of the Blood here.

Where is It?

Are you saying that you have the assurance of being a child of God without faith in Christ's shed Blood of His New Covenant? (Romans 3:25)

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Do I need to tell you all the details of the Atoning sacrifice of Jesus?
Which I accept, in all its incredible wonder for those who believe in Him.

Your attitude toward me, a brother in Christ, is unpleasant to say the least. Your agenda here seems to be just to denigrate and rubbish other posters, rather than posting your beliefs, supported by scriptures.

I have bolded the five prophesies I posted in #432, that prove the New Covenant will not be made until the Lord's faithful people are living in the holy Land.
Will you just ignore them, or bring up more issues that divert the subject?

keras said:

Do I need to tell you all the details of the Atoning sacrifice of Jesus?
Which I accept, in all its incredible wonder for those who believe in Him.

Your attitude toward me, a brother in Christ, is unpleasant to say the least. Your agenda here seems to be just to denigrate and rubbish other posters, rather than posting your beliefs, supported by scriptures.

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You continue to avoid any reference to the Blood. Why?

What you need to tell us is, do you have faith in Christ's shed Blood of His New Covenant? (Romans 3:25)

Yes or no?

jgr said:

You continue to avoid any reference to the Blood. Why?

What you need to tell us is, do you have faith in Christ's shed Blood of His New Covenant? (Romans 3:25)

Yes or no?

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I have said the Jesus' Blood is His part of the new Covenant.
The question is; when do we Christians fulfil our part. It will be when the Prophesies I posted in #432, come to pass.

Questioning anyone's faith is not allowed by forum rules.
What I question, is your ability to read and understand Bible prophecy.

mkgal1 said:

That's good, but I was addressing what was stated here:

[QUOTE =Keras]He certainly has not yet pardoned our wicked deeds and remembered them no more.​

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So, mkgal, are yours or any Christians sins, conscious or inadvertent, pardoned before, during or after they occur?
Isn't it plain to you that Hebrews 8:12 is in the context of a future fulfillment , a yet to happen Promise of God?

keras said:

Isn't it plain to you that Hebrews 8:12 is in the context of a future fulfillment , a yet to happen Promise of God?

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The UPPERCASE text is quoted word-for-word from the Old Testament.


Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


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keras said:

I have said the Jesus' Blood is His part of the new Covenant.

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So you do believe that Jesus fulfilled His New Covenant.

We're happy to see that.