Who is still loyal to Trump?

98cwitr said:

Preposterous assertion without any foundation.

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Voter suppression laws beg to differ.

cow451 said:

Donald Trump did what no Democrat has done in over a decade: Lose the House, Lose the Senate and lose the Presidency.

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I wouldn't blame the voter fraud on Trump, but in a logical way, I can also make it fit.

98cwitr said:

Nope...the GOP never had a chance, rhetoric or not.

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Keep believing that. You’ll have a Democratic government for decades to come. This idea of a rigged election has become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

super animator said:

Voter suppression laws beg to differ.

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Which ones? Are you referring to voter ID?

GoldenBoy89 said:

Keep believing that. You’ll have a Democratic government for decades to come. This idea of a rigged election has become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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If it was "self-fulfilling" then who, by that logic, would have committed the fraud (present or future)?

super animator said:

Voter suppression laws beg to differ.

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Gerrymandering, voter ID laws, reducing polling locations, slowing down the postal service to affect mail in ballots. Heck, they’ve suppressed their own voters in this recent Georgia runoff election. The GOP has become the most undemocratic institution in the United States.

98cwitr said:

If it was "self-fulfilling" then who, by that logic, would have committed the fraud (present or future)?

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Telling people the election is rigged against them tends to make people not want to participate in what they’ve been led to believe is a rigged system. That is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The president is the one who defrauded his own supporters with his lies about his electoral loss and screwed them out of the Senate and presidency this year. You’re of course, free to believe otherwise but I think he’s cost you, his supporters, much more than you’ve gotten out of having him in power.

98cwitr said:

His policies are and were far less destructive (dare I say were prosperous) to both the country and Constitution than whats coming down the pipe. The destruction of unborn life, of liberty, the robbery of the fruits of our labors, and the 1st and 2nd amendments are all on the block, and the oncoming administration has raised her axe. Can anyone stop it?

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I do really wish posters would stop making up stuff like this, but as it stands, no, I don't know of a way to stop it.

98cwitr said:

Preposterous assertion without any foundation.

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I posted this a number of times before :

Supreme Court Declines Republican Bid To Revive North Carolina Voter ID Law

Hazelelponi said:

But that doesn't stop me from believing his policies were some of the best we've had in decades, and I wish him well in any future endeavors. I figure he'll end up in media in some form...

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Everyone is entitled to express an opinion. I just don’t understand how Donald Trump’s dissembling about Covid-19 can be overlooked. I’m sure you heard his taped conversation with Bob Woodward. He admits that early last year, before coronavirus was really on anybody’s radar, he was briefed on the danger this virus posed. He knew how serious was the threat to people’s lives and health. Yet he deliberately withheld this information. Supposedly thinking there would be mass panic if the truth was known. For several months he claimed we’d have a few cases, and then it would go away. He downplayed the need for masks and social distancing, and talked up an ineffective medication. For months, he said we have it under control. Imagine if the captain of the Titanic told the passengers that the ship just has a little leak, but it’s under control and no one needs to get in a lifeboat. Trump put political considerations, and maintaining the economy over America’s health. It was an egregious error in judgement, and an enormous failure of leadership.

jayem said:

I’m sure you heard his taped conversation with Bob Woodward. He admits that early last year, before coronavirus was really on anybody’s radar, he was briefed on the danger this virus posed. He knew how serious was the threat to people’s lives and health. Yet he deliberately withheld this information.

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The bizzareness of this, is that Trump downplayed the pandemic, lying about it's contagiousness and severity, lying about whether children can catch it,

But then he turns around and makes a media propaganda campaign to blame China for downplaying the pandemic, downplaying how contagious and severe it is. As an excuse for why USA has handled the pandemic so poorly.

stevil said:

The bizzareness of this, is that Trump downplayed the pandemic, lying about it's contagiousness and severity, lying about whether children can catch it,

But then he turns around and makes a media propaganda campaign to blame China for downplaying the pandemic, downplaying how contagious and severe it is. As an excuse for why USA has handled the pandemic so poorly.

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We should be holding Cuomo and Whitmer responsible for most of our covid deaths, not Trump. Trump didn't send sick patients into nursing homes, they did.

98cwitr said:

We should be holding Cuomo and Whitmer responsible for most of our covid deaths, not Trump. Trump didn't send sick patients into nursing homes, they did.

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Trump is not the only person to blame. But this doesn't mean that we should ignore what Trump did.

98cwitr said:

I wouldn't blame the voter fraud on Trump, but in a logical way, I can also make it fit.

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We can blame Trump for the perception of voter fraud though, many of those that committed the violent insurrection believe Trump's unsupported lies about widespread voter fraud.

As an outsider with no skin in the game. Is the election of the president really by the people, if the people effectively elect a committee and not vote directly for the president. Seems to at odds with democracy.

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Jay Sea

Jay Sea said:

As an outsider with no skin in the game. Is the election of the president really by the people, if the people effectively elect a committee and not vote directly for the president. Seems to at odds with democracy.

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Jay Sea

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It's certainly a flawed system, but it probably won't change any time soon.

98cwitr said:

I am loyal to Christ, my country, and the Constitution. Those who will champion these three things have my support. Those who wish to denounce any of these three do not.

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In your mind is the “country” and “the Constitution” not synonymous?

You should really read the whole thread Pommer, ol’ boy.

Pommer said:

You should really read the whole thread Pommer, ol’ boy.

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Talking to yourself again?

98cwitr said:

We should be holding Cuomo and Whitmer responsible for most of our covid deaths, not Trump. Trump didn't send sick patients into nursing homes, they did.

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COVID-19 Cases, Deaths, and Trends in the US | CDC COVID Data Tracker

According to the latest data from the CDC, Michigan has had 14,192 death related to COVID-19. Texas has had 29,993 and Florida 23,071.

How did the Governor of Michigan pull that one off? Help from Soros? Hugo Chaves? She bussed them down there?