The Deplatforming of President Trump

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Meanwhile, over at MySpace, some guy in a dust-filled server room just fell off his chair as for the first time in years one new user signed up to the platform
I don't think even Tom will be Trump's friend.
 
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What big tech is doing right now is incredibly dangerous. This isn't about Trump, this is about supression of anyone who does not express opinions that the big tech companies approve of. These companies are conspiring to shut down places where Trump fans and conservatives speak, be it forums on Twitter, Facebook and Reddit or conspiring to destroy Parler, whose great sin is that they allow free speech and apparently host a lot of Trump fans.

Rather than cheering all this on because we don't like Trump, everyone should take a step back and think deeper and more broadly about the ramifications of what is taking place.
 
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This is also incredibly dangerous because this is exactly Chinese Communist Party mechanics. Opposition to the democrat party(new CCP essentially)? Your opinion is no longer welcome. President Trump had NO right to be banned off anything, he is as American as any of us, he loves this country as I hope any of us. What is happening now is what the left were saying back in 1/2017 what Pres Trump would do(he didn't, he FURTHER increased peace and lowered govt control as much as he could.)

Platforms should just be that, platforms. Not dictators pushing people off the internet for opposing opinions. That goes for Amazon (Parler incident), Twitter, Apple, Facebook, Google, Youtube, when platforms have this power, it is dangerous and needs to be stopped.

Also before anyone says "Oh but Pres Trump incited violence at DC" thus deserved to be banned. No, no he didn't. In every rally, every speech, every video, tweet, he warrants PEACE, protection of police officers when BLM were saying kill cops and pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon. Besides for Trumps MAGA movement is grassroots and its a party of LAW AND ORDER, sure law and order is going to cause chaos. No, he wants peace like the video that got censored said, and most of the people there WERE peaceful outside a few Antifa/BLM agitators posing as Trump supporters.
 
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This is also incredibly dangerous because this is exactly Chinese Communist Party mechanics. Opposition to the democrat party(new CCP essentially)? Your opinion is no longer welcome. President Trump had NO right to be banned off anything, he is as American as any of us, he loves this country as I hope any of us. What is happening now is what the left were saying back in 1/2017 what Pres Trump would do(he didn't, he FURTHER increased peace and lowered govt control as much as he could.)

Platforms should just be that, platforms. Not dictators pushing people off the internet for opposing opinions. That goes for Amazon (Parler incident), Twitter, Apple, Facebook, Google, Youtube, when platforms have this power, it is dangerous and needs to be stopped.

Also before anyone says "Oh but Pres Trump incited violence at DC" thus deserved to be banned. No, no he didn't. In every rally, every speech, every video, tweet, he warrants PEACE, protection of police officers when BLM were saying kill cops and pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon. Besides for Trumps MAGA movement is grassroots and its a party of LAW AND ORDER, sure law and order is going to cause chaos. No, he wants peace like the video that got censored said, and most of the people there WERE peaceful outside a few Antifa/BLM agitators posing as Trump supporters.

So you agree then that the Platform Christian Forums shouldn't ban posters for posting inappropriate content?
 
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So you agree then that the Platform Christian Forums shouldn't ban posters for posting inappropriate content?

This reply was a bit ridiculous, especially given:
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ Matthew 5:27 Posting that is in no way the same as censoring people who have the right to speak, since this thread is regarding deplatforming of Pres Trump, he has said not one thing to warrant censorship, nor any of these people that get blocked who share what he has said as well. That's how Chinese Communist Party operates. Only reason I could even see it is if someone directly threatens someone else's life in which makes their life in danger(threat to kill, etc.)

Also why would ANYONE post that anyway on a Christian , family friendly(or should be family friendly) forums? Maybe discuss problems with it and trying to get away from it but not directly linking that sort of stuff.
 
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This reply was a bit ridiculous, especially given:
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ Matthew 5:27 Posting that is in no way the same as censoring people who have the right to speak, since this thread is regarding deplatforming of Pres Trump, he has said not one thing to warrant censorship, nor any of these people that get blocked who share what he has said as well. That's how Chinese Communist Party operates. Only reason I could even see it is if someone directly threatens someone else's life in which makes their life in danger(threat to kill, etc.)

Also why would ANYONE post that anyway on a Christian , family friendly(or should be family friendly) forums? Maybe discuss problems with it and trying to get away from it but not directly linking that sort of stuff.
So some censorship is Ok, or not?
 
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So some censorship is Ok, or not?

Why are you exactly standing up for sinful activities on a Christian based forum?
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ Matthew 5:27
Deleting Adult only content on a Christian forum or family friendly forum OR really anything not marked as "AO,Adult Only" is not censorship. Would YOU want your kids to come on an innocent Christian forums and see that stuff? Deleting Adult material is NOT the same as deplatforming and censoring anyone who has opposing viewpoints which is what China does.
 
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This is also incredibly dangerous because this is exactly Chinese Communist Party mechanics. Opposition to the democrat party(new CCP essentially)? Your opinion is no longer welcome. President Trump had NO right to be banned off anything, he is as American as any of us, he loves this country as I hope any of us. What is happening now is what the left were saying back in 1/2017 what Pres Trump would do(he didn't, he FURTHER increased peace and lowered govt control as much as he could.)

Platforms should just be that, platforms. Not dictators pushing people off the internet for opposing opinions. That goes for Amazon (Parler incident), Twitter, Apple, Facebook, Google, Youtube, when platforms have this power, it is dangerous and needs to be stopped.

Also before anyone says "Oh but Pres Trump incited violence at DC" thus deserved to be banned. No, no he didn't. In every rally, every speech, every video, tweet, he warrants PEACE, protection of police officers when BLM were saying kill cops and pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon. Besides for Trumps MAGA movement is grassroots and its a party of LAW AND ORDER, sure law and order is going to cause chaos. No, he wants peace like the video that got censored said, and most of the people there WERE peaceful outside a few Antifa/BLM agitators posing as Trump supporters.

These platforms are private businesses, and as with any business, in person or online, they reserve the right to refuse business...it's as simple as that.

The platforms are private capitalist enterprises, go make your own.

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What big tech is doing right now is incredibly dangerous. This isn't about Trump, this is about supression of anyone who does not express opinions that the big tech companies approve of.

What [Christian Bakeries] are doing right now is incredibly dangerous. This isn't about [Gay weddings], this is about supression of anyone who does not express opinions that the [Christian Bakeries] approve of.
 
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What [Christian Bakeries] are doing right now is incredibly dangerous. This isn't about [Gay weddings], this is about supression of anyone who does not express opinions that the [Christian Bakeries] approve of.
False equivalent. Bakeries are a dime a dozen whereas 2-4 tech companies control not only the entire social media world but much of the access to the internet. Furthermore, no one is forcing a tech company to make a product that they are opposed to.

My argument all along has been that conservatives need to get off these social media sites and create their own. If that means they also have go create access to the internet, so be it. Monopolies don't have to be destroyed by the state, they can be destroyed by customers ditching them for a better product or service. That's the free market at work.

Having said that, the sudden deplatforming of conservatives is never the less dangerous in that these tech companies have taken it upon themselves to decide what opinions are acceptable and which are not. Since they are a borderline monopoly, that's where the danger lies.
 
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False equivalent. Bakeries are a dime a dozen whereas 2-4 tech companies control not only the entire social media world but much of the access to the internet.

Are you therefore arguing that the internet is part of the commons? That internet access is a civil right? From the little exposure I've had to your views, this would appear to be a 180 degree departure.

A principle is either applicable consistently, or it cannot be said to be a principle at all.

You are either supportive of Big Government requiring private business to provide a platform for people to express views they disagree with, whether that platform is an internet server, or the blank frosted top of a generic wedding cake, or you are opposed to such Government regulation of Private Business.

Furthermore, no one is forcing a tech company to make a product that they are opposed to.

Christian bakeries are not forced to make a product (wedding cakes) they are opposed to either, but it seems you support government forcing them to supply that product as a platform for the expression of views they disagree with.

My argument all along has been that conservatives need to get off these social media sites and create their own. If that means they also have go create access to the internet, so be it. Monopolies don't have to be destroyed by the state, they can be destroyed by customers ditching them for a better product or service. That's the free market at work.
I can't disagree... but it's weird to me that you are also arguing the exact opposite...
Why not, since it appears you are arguing that internet access is a civil right, why not have government create and maintain a free and open platform that cannot be censored? Seems like a simple solution.

Having said that, the sudden deplatforming of conservatives is never the less dangerous in that these tech companies have taken it upon themselves to decide what opinions are acceptable and which are not. Since they are a borderline monopoly, that's where the danger lies.

Didn't you just say monopolies aren't more powerful than the free market?
 
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Are you therefore arguing that the internet is part of the commons? That internet access is a civil right? From the little exposure I've had to your views, this would appear to be a 180 degree departure.

A principle is either applicable consistently, or it cannot be said to be a principle at all.

You are either supportive of Big Government requiring private business to provide a platform for people to express views they disagree with, whether that platform is an internet server, or the blank frosted top of a generic wedding cake, or you are opposed to such Government regulation of Private Business.



Christian bakeries are not forced to make a product (wedding cakes) they are opposed to either, but it seems you support government forcing them to supply that product as a platform for the expression of views they disagree with.


I can't disagree... but it's weird to me that you are also arguing the exact opposite...



Didn't you just say monopolies aren't more powerful than the free market?
What the tech giants are doing is dangerous but it doesn't need a government response. What it needs are conservatives willing to invest in their own social media sites and internet access sites.
 
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What the tech giants are doing is dangerous but it doesn't need a government response. What it needs are conservatives willing to invest in their own social media sites and internet access sites.

And you support those conservative media and internet access points having the right to ban any form of expression on them that they disagree with? Or would that be "dangerous" too?
 
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