Biden, Harris take heat

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Sorry, I doubt if anyone is going to play that game. We have all seen you and other Trump supporters endlessly make claims without supporting them. And the few times you try to it is with bogus sources.
look if anyone is going to throw mud around and not be able to provide any proof they are going to be seen as insincere at the very least, now if they can show specific examples they may convince people that there is some truth but just making accusations is not going to cut it.
 
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You are misusing terminology. The correct term is "evidence" and there is no doubt that it is evidence for this. "Proof" often depends upon who sees the evidence. Some people are not very honest and no amount of evidence will convince them.
I have noticed that as you said "Some people are not very honest and no amount of evidence will convince them." some people just want to waste time with foolish unfounded accusations.
 
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"two officers had been suspended. One officer took a selfie with an insurrectionist, and the other gave them a tour of the building,"
well this hardly comes close to meeting the standards of collusion, it is certainly unprofessional but that is about all at this point. It is interesting in that those officers did not see the people they were dealing with as being any kind of a threat, which tends to support my belief that the vast majority of the people were not there to do violence.
 
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"two officers had been suspended. One officer took a selfie with an insurrectionist, and the other gave them a tour of the building,"
well this hardly comes close to meeting the standards of collusion, it is certainly unprofessional but that is about all at this point. It is interesting in that those officers did not see the people they were dealing with as being any kind of a threat, which tends to support my belief that the vast majority of the people were not there to do violence.
Giving terrorists a tour of a secure government building is definitely collusion. Try it out at the Pentagon while you carry zip ties and chant about hanging pentagon officials and lets us know how security treats you.
 
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where is the evidence that claims have not been backed up, making unproven suggestions that something is improper is nothing but an attempt to discredit someone.
The fact we get posts like this instead of actual evidence in response to requests for evidence is itself evidence that no evidence is going to be forthcoming.
 
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Well... I actually tend to agree with the OP. The big problem was the lack of a quick response by the national guard, thanks to Trump. It took Pence's involvement to finally bring them in. I consider Biden's comments on BLM to be pandering, without taking time to learn the whole story first.

That's actually more evidence in favor of the Harris/Biden comments. In previous cases that BLM was expected at DC protests, the National Guard, fully equipped for riot control, was already there waiting for them, under instructions from the Trump Administration. So the question is why didn't the Trump Administration have the National Guard out in riot gear that day?
 
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Black Panthers conducted an armed protest at the Capitol in 1967. Not a shot fired. This is pandering.

One group has a history of violence (arson/looting/rioting), the other doesn't. Is it possible that is why the Capitol police were so understaffed?

Granted, after the recent events...maybe they're finally both now equal.

The police intelligence agencies of the nation had warned the president that violence might occur.
 
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"two officers had been suspended. One officer took a selfie with an insurrectionist, and the other gave them a tour of the building,"
well this hardly comes close to meeting the standards of collusion, it is certainly unprofessional but that is about all at this point. It is interesting in that those officers did not see the people they were dealing with as being any kind of a threat, which tends to support my belief that the vast majority of the people were not there to do violence.
Na - we've been through this - its quite disturbing the differing response between the BLM protests the violent invasion of capitol hill. The police response was polar opposites commissioned from the top. I appreciate it obviously fits your worldview to imagine the MAGA morons as nice non-violent people. But given the healthy representation from white supremacist groups and the mob invasion, the deaths and destruction of property....I think your arguments are weak. But of course you're entitled to them.
 
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Holy smokes! Holy smokes!

A good friend of mine was Special Forces back in the 80s. In fact, he and I worked on mission to pull Ferdinand Marcos out of the Malacañang Palace back then. After the military, he worked special security for dignitaries in a couple of Far Eastern countries. Usually, he wound up the only American in a security team of mostly nationals of that particular country.

One of his mentors in that field gave him a warning: If you ever start your shift and see that all the other team members are suddenly strangers, that means the regular team got warning of an attack...and didn't give you the word.

That warning saved his life on the day that it happened. He says that indeed, one day he was the only regular who showed up, and there was an attack. He only survived because his mentor's warning had kept him especially alert.
 
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Holy smokes! Holy smokes!

A good friend of mine was Special Forces back in the 80s. In fact, he and I worked on mission to pull Ferdinand Marcos out of the Malacañang Palace back then. After the military, he worked special security for dignitaries in a couple of Far Eastern countries. Usually, he wound up the only American in a security team of mostly nationals of that particular country.

One of his mentors in that field gave him a warning: If you ever start your shift and see that all the other team members are suddenly strangers, that means the regular team got warning of an attack...and didn't give you the word.

That warning saved his life on the day that it happened. He says that indeed, one day he was the only regular who showed up, and there was an attack. He only survived because his mentor's warning had kept him especially alert.

Off-topic, but I love your military stories. Very informative.
 
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It is interesting in that those officers did not see the people they were dealing with as being any kind of a threat, which tends to support my belief that the vast majority of the people were not there to do violence.
All of them were there to disrupt the business of the day (the Constitutionally mandated counting of the Electoral College votes)...they were angry, you see, because they believed that President Trump was “robbed” of a rightful second term because President Trump told them that this was the case.
 
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Off-topic, but I love your military stories. Very informative.

It's on topic. The Capitol police officer noted that the assignment of officers that day was strange and unexpected given the anticipated situation. Someone above his pay grade had made what he knew was an unusual and illogical decision not to reinforce the Capitol guard that day.
 
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It's on topic. The Capitol police officer noted that the assignment of officers that day was strange and unexpected given the anticipated situation. Someone above his pay grade had made what he knew was an unusual and illogical decision not to reinforce the Capitol guard that day.

I meant my own post was off-topic.
 
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"two officers had been suspended. One officer took a selfie with an insurrectionist, and the other gave them a tour of the building,"
well this hardly comes close to meeting the standards of collusion, it is certainly unprofessional but that is about all at this point. It is interesting in that those officers did not see the people they were dealing with as being any kind of a threat, which tends to support my belief that the vast majority of the people were not there to do violence.

Oh? Where are these standards published so we can compare them to the actions taken?
 
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Giving terrorists a tour of a secure government building is definitely collusion. Try it out at the Pentagon while you carry zip ties and chant about hanging pentagon officials and lets us know how security treats you.
Please go read my post again, obviously the people who these officers were involved with did not have zip ties or chant about hanging anyone. lets deal with the facts and not invent our own facts.
 
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