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Revelation 19:1 After this I heard what sounded like a vast throng in heaven......
It does not say the Church.
We are told who they are, in Revelation 6:9-11 they are the souls of all those killed for their testimony of Jesus.
They are dead people, but God does allow them to cry out at times.
Which will come to us, Revelation 21:1-2, NOT we go to it.
Your belief and assumption that people go to heaven is wrong and was never part of God's plan for mankind.
YOu sure you are not a Jehovahs Witness?
YOu follow thier philosoph closely on this and mistranslate the SCriptures very very similar to them to seek to justify that believers never go to heaven! YOu are just wrong no matter how many times you use philosophy to try to reinterpret Gods Word!
Jesus declares you wrong:
John 14
King James Version
14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Jesus is going to prepare a place for us---in heaven
He is goign to prepare that place right now--in heaven
He will take us to be with him- in heaven!
After the thousand year kingdom heaven will come to earth but you think the church stays unconscious for the kingdom! Even though the Apostles will rule Israel in Jerusalem!
John says you are wrong:
Revelation 19
King James Version
19 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great harlot, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.
5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
A voice of many people in heaven!
the bride (the church) is in heaven BEFORE Jesus comes back to earth!
Paul says you are wrong:
- 2 Corinthians 5:6
Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - 2 Corinthians 5:8
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
It is not as you allege some JW type slick remeaning that the time people are unconcious will seem like a blink of the eye! Shame on you !
teh writer of Hebrews also said you are wrong:
Hebrews 11:13-16
King James Version
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
I would so love to see you recant of this error. But I think pride will keep you from that for you have invested so much in defending this origen based falsehood.
But I do hope that enough people will see all those who have oppossed you and the SCriptures that absolutely prove you wrong so they will not succumb to teh same deception.
Israel has an earthly hope (in the millenial kingdom), teh church a heavenly one. Once eternity "starts" heaven and earth will be "heaven".
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