Does God have a common grace?

All Glory To God said:

Ok, why are you telling me this?

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I believe it defines God accurately. His attributes are his nature. Pure will without nature to guide it is beyond trusting.

All Glory To God said:

By ''accurately'', meaning you are trying to correct me I never said anything at all in regard to Gods nature or what order it flows. Perhaps you missed that?

I was talking on the subject of Gods immutability.

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Did you ever think God's immutability means he has no free will? Now that's a God you can trust.

All Glory To God said:

Our views are just so far apart that I don't know how to reply directly to these things you are saying.

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I don't see the problem; all that I said is recorded in Scripture.

All Glory To God said:

No.

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If God can change his mind he's not perfect, nor immutable. The Bible says he is both.

All Glory To God said:

You come here from the start looking to be good, you need to settle down, attributing things to me that aren't so.

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I haven't mentioned you personally. I just responded to your posts. But I can see where that's headed. Sayonara.

All Glory To God said:

Well there's no problem we just disagree.

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Well there obviously is if I post some events from Scripture and you say "we are so far apart, I don't know how to answer."

What is it that you disagree with? That God told Moses to build a tabernacle, years later told Solomon to build a temple and they stopped using the tabernacle?
It's what happened; I'm sorry if you don't agree with it.
Or that in the OT people could not look at God; if they saw him they would die. Whereas in the NT people looked at God, in Jesus? Again, it happened - I don't know what else to say.
Or maybe you don't like that God said "forget the things of the past; I am doing a new thing"? It's not me you need to take that up with.

All Glory To God said:

Of course you are quoting scripture, every cult and heresy that has ever existed has appealed to God's scripture, didn't make them right did right.

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So tell me what your problem is and I'll try to answer it.

And please don't call me a cult or heresy. All I'm trying to do is to understand, and address, your point of view.

All Glory To God said:

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Thanks, but I already have a stash of Post-It notes.

Strong in Him said:

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No one is too wicked that they can't have a second chance.

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I agree with that. And I think those chances are in this life.

All Glory To God said:

...Does God change?

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I think Biblical teaching is that God doesn’t change.

Clare73 said:

God the creator is like the rancher who owns goats.
The rancher provides for the goats, but he is not their father, he is simply their owner. . .until he legally adopts them as his children.

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My definition did not come from myself, but from the Bible.

What rancher clothes his goats to cover their shame? What rancher makes a covenant to save his goats from their sins as God did Adam and Eve in the garden?

Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

By creation God is the father of all. By sin and unbelief many become sons of the Devil. By faith in the Lord Jesus we become sons of the Father.

Before the Law God made a covenant with Noah

Gen 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
Gen 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

God promised to pour out the rain on the just and unjust right here, and he has remained true to his promise. The world turns on the promise of God.

Llewelyn Stevenson said:

My definition did not come from myself, but from the Bible.

What rancher clothes his goats to cover their shame? What rancher makes a covenant to save his goats from their sins as God did Adam and Eve in the garden?

Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

By creation God is the father of all. By sin and unbelief many become sons of the Devil. By faith in the Lord Jesus we become sons of the Father.

Before the Law God made a covenant with Noah

Gen 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
Gen 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

God promised to pour out the rain on the just and unjust right here, and he has remained true to his promise. The world turns on the promise of God.

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The point of the analogy is: Creator (owner) does not make you Father.

Here is your analogy. My problem with it is that no rancher, or goat herder, who owns a goat has ever legally adopted it as his child (not even his kid) - where do you get the legal form?

Clare73 said:

God the creator is like the rancher who owns goats.
The rancher provides for the goats, but he is not their father, he is simply their owner. . .until he legally adopts them as his children.

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And then when answered from scripture (as well as one can), you state the following:

Clare73 said:

The point of the analogy is: Creator (owner) does not make you Father.

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John Mullally said:

Here is your analogy. My problem with it is that no rancher, or goat herder, who owns a goat has ever legally adopted it as his child (not even his kid)

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Good one. . .

where do you get the legal form?

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That's the first reason the rancher doesn't adopt the goats as his kids.

And then when answered from scripture (as well as one can), you state the following:
"The point of the analogy is: Creator (owner) does not make you Father."

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Okay. . .
The NT is filled with references to the sons of God.

Is that all mankind, or is that the born again, whom he has adopted to be his sons?

Are those who reject Jesus Christ the sons of God?
They are not.

And yet God still pours rain on them, the unjust.

So, according to the NT, "sons of God" does not apply to all men.

If they aren't sons, then what are they? They are his creation, they are his creatures, for whom he provides (as does the goat rancher).

Hence, the analogy of the goat rancher, who provides for his goats, but is not their father,
as God provides for those who reject his Son, Jesus Christ, but is not their Father.

Does that help?

Clare73 said:

Okay. . .
The NT is filled with references to the sons of God.

Is that all mankind, or is that the born again, whom he has adopted to be his sons?

Are those who reject Jesus Christ the sons of God?
They are not.

And yet God still pours rain on them, the unjust.

So, according to the NT, "sons of God" does not apply to all men.

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Correct me if I am wrong (not that I have to ask), but this sounds very much like what Llewelyn wrote.