A Partial List of 7th Day Assemblies

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Do you think that the commandments are all that is contained in the Bible? That's the way the SDA response almost always goes, yet most of what any denomination teaches and considers essential for the members to believe is not a matter of the 10 Commandments.
No. Now did you want to answer my question asked of you and the post you are responding to? There is no grace without God's law as it is God's law that leads us to God's grace according to the new covenant scriptures.
 
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If the Commandments are NOT the whole of the doctrinal information given to us in Scripture, why, do you think, the standard reply to the question of Sunday worship is (as per your own post) a claim that God gave us the 10 Commandments and they remain in force??
 
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If the Commandments are NOT the whole of the doctrinal information given to us in Scripture, why, do you think, the standard reply to the question of Sunday worship is (as per your own post) a claim that God gave us the 10 Commandments and they remain in force??
No one said that the 10 commandments are everything there is in God's Word we are to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God according to the scriptures - Matthew 4:4 from Deuteronomy 8:3. God's 10 commandments are simply the standard of what righteousness is when obeyed and what sin is when disobeyed. It gives us the knowledge of good and evil; sin and righteousness in the new covenant *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith and be made free to walk in God's Spirit *Galatians 3:22-25; Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:1-4. If there is no law, there is no knowledge of what sin is for sin is the transgression of the law *1 John 3:4. If there is no knowledge of what sin is then we have no need for Savior from sin. If we have no Savior from sin we have no salvation because we are still in our sins. What do you think is the meaning of Matthew 9:12-13? Unless we are born again dear friend from the inside out according to Jesus we cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven *John 3:3-7 because those who are born again do not practice sin (breaking God's commandments) *1 John 3:6-9.
 
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No one said that the 10 commandments are everything there is in God's Word we are to live by ever word that proceeds out of the mouth of God according to the scriptures - Matthew 4:4 from Deuteronomy 8:3. God's 10 commandments are simply the standard of what righteousness is when obeyed and what sin is when disobeyed.
What I was commenting on was the frequency with which defenders of Sabbatarianism sidestep the fact that the Bible provides the justification for Sunday worship by insisting that the 10 Commandments settle the matter. Well, they do not. And that's FOR THE REASON that you have to consider the New Testament to be the word of God, too (which is what everyone else does).
 
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What I was commenting on was the frequency with which defenders of Sabbatarianism sidestep the fact that the Bible provides the justification for Sunday worship by insisting that the 10 Commandments settle the matter. Well, they do not. And that's FOR THE REASON that you have to consider the New Testament to be the word of God, too (which is what everyone else does).
As posted earlier there is no justification for Sunday worship Albion. There is no scripture that supports it. Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of men that has lead many to break God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments. There is no scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday (or the first day of the week) as a Holy day. Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that is not biblical according to the scriptures. God is calling us all back to His Word.
 
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And we both know that the New Testament gives us that justification, LGW.
Well that is not true dear friend. Let's be honest here. There is no scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday (or the first day of the week) as a Holy day. Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that is not biblical according to the scriptures. If you disagree your welcome to prove your claims through the scriptures.
 
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Well that is not true. There is no scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday
That's true, but it is not what we've been discussing.

There is Scripture which tells us that worship on Sunday was the practice of the early church, and why that was. And because this is enshrined in Scripture, we must consider it to be God's word just as every other part of the Bible is God's word.
 
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That's true, but it is not what we've been discussing.

There is Scripture which tells us that worship on Sunday was the practice of the early church, and why that was. And because this is enshrined in Scripture, we must consider it to be God's word just as every other part of the Bible is God's word.

Thank you for being honest Albion. The scriptures teach that the practice of the Church was to worship God everyday of the week including Sunday in Acts of the Apostles 2:46-47. This however does not make everyday of the week a Holy day of rest and one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken now does it *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4?
 
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If it were thought by Sabbatarians to contain no error, they could not also decide their day of worship on the basis of the Old Testament exclusively, while disregarding the information that is in the New Testament.
What does the use of the term "seventh day" in Hebrews 4:4 refer to, if not the Sabbath? I can certainly concede that it is used as a metaphor of the new heavens and earth, but "seventh-day" seems plain enough to me as a reference to the weekly day of rest.
It authorizes Christians to make "the Lord's Day" the principle day of worship.
It quite simply does no such thing whatsoever.

In my experience, both here on CF and elsewhere, every SDA who invites a discussion about this topic already knows the verse(s) that the Christians who worship on Sunday refer to, and they're waiting with a prepared rebuttal when such people do refer to them.

So I do not care to go around that mulberry bush once again here to no conclusion, knowing that there's no hope of actually getting a fair hearing from the other side.
But didn't you invite the discussion yourself by initiating your participation in the thread with this statement?
There is no verse that says it exactly that way, but the same information is clearly there.
Since you initiated your own commentary on the subject, why not be willing to show how clearly indeed the information is presented in the New Testament?
 
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What does the use of the term "seventh day" in Hebrews 4:4 refer to, if not the Sabbath? I can certainly concede that it is used as a metaphor of the new heavens and earth, but "seventh-day" seems plain enough to me as a reference to the weekly day of rest.
Thanks for your reply. Two things about that passage: 1) it's a reference to the seventh day as it had been before the establishment of the church of Christ, and 2) to make Sunday the primary day of worship for Christians does not mean moving the Sabbath.

It quite simply does no such thing whatsoever.
Hmmm. Well, the verse couldn't be any clearer, but if you don't acknowledge that, what do you think the meaning actually is?

But didn't you invite the discussion yourself by initiating your participation in the thread with this statement?
Perhaps you are right about that after all, but as I was also saying, there never seems to be any room for discussion when Adventists present their own thinking. Your blunt reply (above) seems to verify that. (?)
 
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Thanks for your reply. Two things about that passage: 1) it's a reference to the seventh day as it had been before the establishment of the church of Christ, and 2) to make Sunday the primary day of worship for Christians does not mean moving the Sabbath.


Hmmm. Well, the verse couldn't be any clearer, but if you don't acknowledge that, what do you think the meaning actually is?


Perhaps you are right about that after all, but as I was also saying, there never seems to be any room for discussion when Adventists present their own thinking. Your blunt reply (above) seems to verify that. (?)
Huh? Making the primary day of worship on Sunday means Sabbath is less than. Why would you want to make Sunday a day of worship when God spoke and wrote that the seventh-day is His Holy Sabbath. This is not something the SDA created. God did from the beginning Genesis 2:3 and asked us to Remember His Holy day, no one has any business changing the day God deemed His Holy day. Who do you think benefits when we don't worship God on His chosen day?

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20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The mention of the first day in the Bible happens about 8 times. The Sabbath is mentioned about 170 times. Words like Sanctify, Holy, Blessed, Remember, Rest all go hand in hand with Gods Sabbath. Why would you not want to worship on the one day God said was Holy, He Blessed, Jesus also kept and worship instead on a day that means nothing significant in the Bible?
 
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Huh? Making the primary day of worship on Sunday means Sabbath is less than.
I guess that's a matter of opinion, but the Sabbath was not moved to Sunday, even though most Adventists seem to think that's what this is about.

Why would you want to make Sunday a day of worship when God spoke and wrote that the seventh-day is His Holy Sabbath.
It's right there in the New Testament. This was the day the Lord rose from the grave, marking the triumph of life over death. Why wouldn't that be a cause for praise and worship to our God?
 
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It's right there in the New Testament. This was the day the Lord rose from the grave, marking the triumph of life over death. Why wouldn't that be a cause for praise and worship to our God?
There is no scripture in all of God's Word that says God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday or the first day of the week as a holy day of rest. This practice is a man-made tradition and teaching that has led many either knowingly or unknowingly to break God's 4th commandment written in Exodus 20:8-11. Jesus says in Matthew 15:3-9 if we knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men that lead us to break the God's 10 commandments we are not worshiping God according to the scriptures.
 
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Jesus says in Matthew 15:3-9 if we knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men that lead us to break the God's 10 commandments we are not worshiping God according to the scriptures.

Yahshua doesn't mention the Decalogue in that passage.

(CLV) Mt 15:3
Now He, answering, said to them, "Wherefore are you also transgressing the precept of God because of your tradition?

He mentions precepts. You can get a better understanding of the precepts, staring with the foremost precept, here: What is the Foremost Precept of All?

I hope this helps.
 
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I guess that's a matter of opinion, but the Sabbath was not moved to Sunday, even though most Adventists seem to think that's what this is about.


It's right there in the New Testament. This was the day the Lord rose from the grave, marking the triumph of life over death. Why wouldn't that be a cause for praise and worship to our God?
I agree the Sabbath has not changed and should be kept Holy.

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

This was after Jesus rose from the grave so Jesus going back to Heaven does not change the day He asked us to keep Holy. Anything different is something imposed by mans will not Gods.
 
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There is no scripture in all of God's Word that says God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday or the first day of the week as a holy day of rest.

So now you are back at the start of the standard Adventist counter to the practice of most Christian churches concerning Sunday worship. That's just what I expected to happen when I said at the beginning of this that I didn't want to go round that Mulberry bush again and to no real end.

But if you ever decide to deal with what I explained in my previous post, the door is always open.
 
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Yahshua doesn't mention the Decalogue in that passage.

(CLV) Mt 15:3
Now He, answering, said to them, "Wherefore are you also transgressing the precept of God because of your tradition?

He mentions precepts. You can get a better understanding of the precepts, staring with the foremost precept, here: What is the Foremost Precept of All?

I hope this helps.

In Matthew 15:4 Jesus does indeed mention the Decalogue quoting from the 5th commandment of the 10 commandments from Exodus 20:12 Honor thy father and mother.

Matthew 15:3-9 [3], But he answered and said to them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?[4], FOR GOD COMMANDED SAYING, HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER {Exodus 20:12}: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. [5], But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me; [6], And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. [7], You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, [8], This people draws near to me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. [9], BUT IN VAIN THEY DO WORSHIP ME, TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN

Hope this is helpful.
 
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So now you are back at the start of the standard Adventist counter to the practice of most Christian churches concerning Sunday worship. That's just what I expected to happen when I said at the beginning of this that I didn't want to go round that Mulberry bush again and to no real end.

But if you ever decide to deal with what I explained in my previous post, the door is always open.
Ditto lets talk scripture.
 
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He that curses father or mother, let him die the death

Sorry my friend. Yahshua isn't quoting the Decalogue.

Here is a sampling of what he's quoting. See verse 17.

Parashah 18: Mishpatim (Rulings) 21:1–24:18
21 “These are the rulings you are to present to them:

2 “If you purchase a Hebrew slave, he is to work six years; but in the seventh, he is to be given his freedom without having to pay anything. 3 If he came single, he is to leave single; if he was married when he came, his wife is to go with him when he leaves. 4 But if his master gave him a wife, and she bore him sons or daughters, then the wife and her children will belong to her master, and he will leave by himself. 5 Nevertheless, if the slave declares, ‘I love my master, my wife and my children, so I don’t want to go free,’ 6 then his master is to bring him before God; and there at the door or doorpost, his master is to pierce his ear with an awl; and the man will be his slave for life.

7 “If a man sells his daughter as a slave, she is not to go free like the men-slaves. 8 If her master married her but decides she no longer pleases him, then he is to allow her to be redeemed. He is not allowed to sell her to a foreign people, because he has treated her unfairly. 9 If he has her marry his son, then he is to treat her like a daughter. 10 If he marries another wife, he is not to reduce her food, clothing or marital rights. 11 If he fails to provide her with these three things, she is to be given her freedom without having to pay anything.

12 “Whoever attacks a person and causes his death must be put to death. 13 If it was not premeditated but an act of God, then I will designate for you a place to which he can flee. 14 But if someone willfully kills another after deliberate planning, you are to take him even from my altar and put him to death.

15 “Whoever attacks his father or mother must be put to death.

16 “Whoever kidnaps someone must be put to death, regardless of whether he has already sold him or the person is found still in his possession.

17 “Whoever curses his father or mother must be put to death.

18 “If two people fight, and one hits the other with a stone or with his fist, and the injured party doesn’t die but is confined to his bed; 19 then, if he recovers enough to be able to walk around outside, even if with a cane, the attacker will be free of liability, except to compensate him for his loss of time and take responsibility for his care until his recovery is complete.

(ii) 20 “If a person beats his male or female slave with a stick so severely that he dies, he is to be punished; 21 except that if the slave lives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his property.

22 “If people are fighting with each other and happen to hurt a pregnant woman so badly that her unborn child dies, then, even if no other harm follows, he must be fined. He must pay the amount set by the woman’s husband and confirmed by judges. 23 But if any harm follows, then you are to give life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound and bruise for bruise.

26 “If a person hits his male or female slave’s eye and destroys it, he must let him go free in compensation for his eye. 27 If he knocks out his male or female slave’s tooth, he must let him go free in compensation for his tooth.

28 “If an ox gores a man or a woman to death, the ox is to be stoned and its flesh not eaten, but the owner of the ox will have no further liability. 29 However, if the ox was in the habit of goring in the past, and the owner was warned but did not confine it, so that it ended up killing a man or a woman; then the ox is to be stoned, and its owner too is to be put to death. 30 However, a ransom may be imposed on him; and the death penalty will be commuted if he pays the amount imposed. 31 If the ox gores a son or daughter, the same rule applies. 32 If the ox gores a male or female slave, its owner must give their master twelve ounces of silver; and the ox is to be stoned to death.

33 “If someone removes the cover from a cistern or digs one and fails to cover it, and an ox or donkey falls in, 34 the owner of the cistern must make good the loss by compensating the animal’s owner; but the dead animal will be his.

35 “If one person’s ox hurts another’s, so that it dies, they are to sell the live ox and divide the revenue from the sale; and they are also to divide the dead animal. 36 But if it is known that the ox was in the habit of goring in the past, and the owner did not confine it; he must pay ox for ox, but the dead animal will be his.

37 (22:1) “If someone steals an ox or a sheep and slaughters or sells it, he is to pay five oxen for an ox and four sheep for a sheep.

I hope this helps.
 
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