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That is a nice, very nice try at dancing around what I said without really answering it. Yes, Paul mentioned God's Wrath - he did not mention "hell," a fact you skipped merrily past
You said God was "non-wrathful". . .I demonstrated otherwise from Paul, who "did not mention hell."
As for Jesus, He has become a victim of bad translation...just like the rest of us:
My response is in the blue type.

Matthew 5:22 should be "gehenna" not "hell fire" -- Gehenna was the Valley of Hinnom, near Jerusalem, used as a receptacle for refuse, fires being kept up to prevent pestilence, which name Jesus used for the "unquenchable fire"

Hell is a KJV "mistranslation" of Hades (e.g., Mt 11:23; Lk 16:23), which is in Sheol (
temporary holding place between death and Gehenna or Paradise),
where there is a temporary place of fire (Hades) and
a temporary place of blessedness (Abraham's bosom), as in Jesus' parable of Lk 16:19-31, until the Final Judgment when all mankind will be sentenced to their final destines, and Gehenna will be thrown into the unending Lake of Fire.


Matthew 12:31-32 not "world" but "age" -- "age to come" - eternity

Matthew 13:30 burning tares? The passage does not say they are burned in Hell, just burned. The Lake of Fire is a more obvious destination for the tares, but I have much more to say on this subject.

-- Hell (i.e., "eternal fire") and the Lake of Fire are the same--the devil is sent to both hell (Mt 25:41) and the Lake of Fire (Rev 20:10), as are unbelievers (Rev 21:8)


Matthew 18:8-9 again, it's "gehenna" -- same response as Mt 5:22

Matthew 25:41, 46 The YLT has "age during" instead of "everlasting," and Young knew his Bible better than both of us put together. -- same response as Mt 12:31-32

Mark 9:43, 45, 47-48 Again, my KJV's center-column notes say "gehenna." -- same response as
Mt 5:22

Anyway, we find "hell" and "hel" in the 1611 KJV, in Beowulf...and in pagan Norse Mythology ("hel" only). -- we may find "air," "water" and "soil" in them also, does that mean they don't exist either?

We also find "hell" described as
furnace of fire (Mt 13:42),
lake of fire (Rev 19:20, 20:10, 14, 21:8),
punishment (Mt 13:46; 2Tim 1:9),
destruction (Php 3:19; Heb 10:39),
nether gloom of darkness (2Pe 2:17; Jude 13),
second death (Rev 2:11, 20:6, 14, 21:8).

Take your pick, none of it sounds like anything I want to be involved with.


Luke 3:17 I note here that the wheat and the chaff were part of the same seed before the threshing. Jesus would have understood it, and if you think about it, it seems to indicate that the wheat and the chaff are simply the good and bad aspects of the individual. The relevant passage in Matthew is not so specific. -- the relevance in both Mt 3:12 and Lk 3:17 is the unquenchable fire, not the chaff

Luke 16:24 There are other ways to interpret the parable than that the rich man was in hell - plus, that rich man in hell view misses Jesus' point. -- he was in the agony and torment of fire (vv. 24, 28) in Hades, a temporary holding place for the lost until the Final Judgment, when they will be sentenced to their final destinies.
--call it what you want, I don't think nomenclature was the rich man's concern at the time


Jesus' states the point of his parable, regarding the unbelieving Jews, at the end (v.31) -- that even someone returning from the dead (Jesus) would not convince his five brothers (the Jews) to repent (v.31) and believe in him.


Any more questions?
 
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Dear Shrewd Manager,

Thanks for the welcome!

People do call me a universalist sometimes but that really isn't a label that fits me. I know there are universalist denominations out there but I do not associate with any of them nor do I really know much about them. In fact, I do not associate with any church or denomination any longer since I received the Latter Rain in 2005.

I grew up in the Church of Christ and changed to non-denominational churches in my 20's and 30's. Then in my early 40's, my family and I started attending a Oneness Pentecostal church. We started going there for 3 main reasons. We had a close friend who went there, they baptize in the name of Jesus and they supported teachings on End-time prophecy. Other than that, the church was a culture shock for us but we managed stay because of the friendships we developed there. But all that changed for me after about a year and a half of attending there. From out of the blue, Christ came a second time to my wife and I and turned our world upside. With that visitation, Christ healed our spiritual blindness and the scriptures opened up to us. Within just 2 or 3 weeks, nearly everything that we thought we knew as "truth" we realized were actually lies from Satan. Of course, we had to leave the church and we lost all our new friends. I posted my conversion testimony in my personal profile which goes into quite a bit more details of what happened to us at that time.

Up until that time of my conversion, my beliefs were very much like everyone else's. I believed in Free Will, Hell and even taught End-time prophecy. I had truly eaten the leavened bread that everyone who is Called Out eats:

Matt 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

After my conversion, I learned that there is no truth at all in ANY of the churches. Once that bread is eaten, it will cause a Called Out believer to "fall away" and spiritually die. Once that happens, we cannot be renewed by repentance.

Heb 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

The "repentance" mentioned here is referring to trying to make ourselves acceptable to God through our own works. Adam started it with His apron of figs leaves and mankind has been doing the same with "religion" (man's attempt to make one's self acceptable to God) ever since. Shortly after I was Called Out, it happened to me, just as it happens to everyone. We cannot deviate from this pathway because it is the pathway laid down by God. Everyone must and will travel it in order to be saved.

Our carnal natures also prefer the Old Wine over the New Wine.

Luke 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

When one drinks the Old Wine (Old Covenant of Law), it causes us to "fall away" and spiritually die. It is the "sin that leads to death". As I said, it happens to everyone shortly after they are Called Out. We have no say in the matter. When one is spiritually blind and carnal (we still see Jesus in the flesh), Satan comes to us and easily deceives us. He masquerades as an angel of light (Christ). Our carnal nature loves his teachings (like the Doctrine of Free Will and Hell) and hates the true teachings of God.

2Cor 11:14-15 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Only the Elect (after they receive the Latter Rain) can come out from that powerful deception.

2Thes 2:7-12 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

This experience of evil is all part of the pathway of salvation that is taught in many places in scripture but I have only found very, very few believers who can see it. The reason I mention it here is because I am wanting to know if you and Steve have the same understanding since you can also see that Christ is the Savior of the World. Can you see it too?

Joe

Hi Joe,

Thanks for the testimony and detailed reply. Yes, pardon me, I don't particularly like the label 'universalism' either. We'd been trialing the term 'restorationism' to describe the eschatology (to distinguish from 'damnationism' and 'annihilationism'). Phew, doctrine.

Anyway, there's no shortage of evil to experience in today's world. Jesus and scripture teach that's just how the world is, under the thrall of satan's lie-kill-steal-destroy franchise. I always say to mainstream Christians, 'Do you think the devil cons people that their uncles were monkeys and then rests up?' That devil's ambitious, always mounts a bigger deception than the last, and never takes a sabbath. So all the idols of the physical and biological sciences, history and the rest, yep. And the world keeps drinking his kool-aid, because it just loves its sin.

So to me, the 'hard question' of theodicy (if God is good, why does He permit evil?), is, after God opened my eyes, very easy to answer. I love it when 'protest atheists' (I was one once) who rightly reject the vicious incoherence of satan's false god (ie who sends ppl to hell forever for not loving him back) put that question defiantly. Well, God in Grace lavishes the gift of free choice on man, knowing that it is too great a gift for him to handle. Fast forward, man wakes up in the swine pit with a hunger and thirst or staring into the abyss for the 7th time. And that's when man can start to truly appreciate God, and His Salvation as His mighty right arm.

Come to me all ye who are heavy-laden, ye wicked for whom there is no rest day or night and I will give your tormented soul rest, that ye may be transformed in the love of Christ.

That's the recurrent pattern of God's people and history in general: God gives, man thrives, man forgets/fumbles, God's wrath grows (sends warnings etc), man suffers tribulation and torment, laments, cries out for salvation, God saves, man's heart changes and he repents, wounds are miraculously healed, God is glorified.

That pattern recurs throughout history on an increasing scale, until we find ourselves in a situation the whole lost world needs saving desperately from the pharmakeia of Babylon laboring vainly under the great delusion that more reliance on the priests of Ba'al will save it.

So the Lamb will overcome the dragon (again), and the world be saved, though as through fire, as written in the final chapters of Revelation. The tares grow up with the wheat until harvest time.

Hope this reading makes some sense to you Joe.
Ben
 
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Scripture is my only authority, and is what you will have to use to demonstrate your arguments to me.

I've presented NT teaching on both the fire of purification and the fire of hell, which the NT sets against one another, not the same as one another.

You're so good.
 
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Dear 1213,

Phi 2:10-11 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

No one can accept Christ without Christ FIRST giving the person the Early Rain of the Spirit.

1 Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

Only after the person is given the gift of the Holy Spirit can a person call Jesus "Lord". ...

I think you have good points. But still, I think it is wrong idea to think all will have the eternal life, when it is said that it is only righteous and:

"Enter in by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter in by it. How narrow is the gate, and restricted is the way that leads to life! Few are those who find it. "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves. By their fruits you will know them….
Matt. 7:13-16

For many are called, but few chosen.
Matt. 22:14

Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will tell me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works?' Then I will tell them, 'I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.'
Matt. 7:21-23

So, surely there will be many that patter “Lord, Lord…”, but that does not mean the person then will also enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. I believe it is the fear of permanent death that makes them to bow and say many things, but it is then too late and also not useful, because they should know the eternal life is promised for righteous, not for those who pretend to be righteous.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23
 
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I believe it is the fear of permanent death that makes them to bow and say many things, but it is then too late and also not useful, because they should know the eternal life is promised for righteous, not for those who pretend to be righteous.
No, the NT Greek word used for "acknowledge" (confess) means whole-heartedly and without reservation. Therefore not under compulsion, but willingly, in agreement.

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).
 
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Good to see another universalist on CF. It happens once in a while. Welcome!

Yeah, now there is a great mass of a whole four of us! Hold the fort, guys!!
 
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I think you have good points. But still, I think it is wrong idea to think all will have the eternal life, when it is said that it is only righteous and:

"Enter in by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter in by it. How narrow is the gate, and restricted is the way that leads to life! Few are those who find it. "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves. By their fruits you will know them….Matt. 7:13-16

I find it constantly interesting how folks who are determined to prove eternal conscious torment will always take verses and make them say something that is not there. The above verses have two problems. First of all, eternal life is nowhere mentioned in these verses. It's just "life," which can mean anything, including "aionios life."

Secondly, the context is to the JEWS. Matthew is the Jewish Gospel. It starts with the genealogy of the Messiah, the foundation of the coming Messiah. Throughout this book, Jesus is warning the Jews who heard Him of what is coming. Let's look at Young' Literal Translation to get a better picture (the KJV and other Western translations are HORRIBLE!!!)


Matthew 7:13 'Go ye in through the strait gate, because wide is the gate, and broad the way that is leading to the destruction, and many are those going in through it; Mattthew 7:14 how strait is the gate, and compressed the way that is leading to the life, and few are those finding it!

Notice the tense. It is in the present tense. He is speaking to the generation who heard Him. What life is He speaking of and what destruction is He speaking of. It is the same destruction which He continues to speak of throughout the Gospel of Matthew -- the destruction of Jerusalsm in AD 70. Jesus especially addresses this in Matthew 23-25.

For many are called, but few chosen. Matthew. 22:14

Same thing here. Jesus called the "many" in Jerusalem, but only the few actually responded to His message and escape the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. Over one million Jews were killed and/or taken into captivity. Those "few" who listened to Christ entered into the Kingdom of Heaven on earth, the New Jerusalem, the Church. The destruction of Jerusalem was the final destruction and end of the Old Covenant (Hebrews 8:13) and the full establishment of the New Jerusalem, which is the Kingdom of Heaven on earth.

The phrase "Kingdom of Heaven" only appears in Matthew's Gospel. That should immediately tell you something. But most people just gloss over this and lazily think it is the same as the Kingdom of God. That is wrong. The Kingdom of Heaven is the earthly Kingdom which is part of the Kingdom of God.


Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will tell me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works?' Then I will tell them, 'I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.' Matthew. 7:21-23

Again, this is about entering the earthly kingdom, and it is a warning to the Jews listening. Has nothing to do with the end of the world.

So, surely there will be many that patter “Lord, Lord…”, but that does not mean the person then will also enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. I believe it is the fear of permanent death that makes them to bow and say many things, but it is then too late and also not useful, because they should know the eternal life is promised for righteous, not for those who pretend to be righteous.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Matthew. 25:46

Not what it says at all. Again, Young's Literal Translation of the Greek.

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Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away to punishment age-lasting, but the righteous to life age-lasting.'

Matthew 23-25 is about the end of the age (Matthew 24:1-3). The end of the age, the age of the Old Covenant and the Jews being the particular and special people of God, ended with the destruction of Jersusalem in AD 70. When this happened, over one million unbelieving and rebellious Jews went into kolasion aionios (chastisement [not punishment as you understand it] age-lasting), and the righteous went into life age-lasting. This age will last for a time we have no idea of, after will there will be another age and another age and another age. Revelation speaks of the coming of "ages of ages" which are yet to come. And then, at the end, Christ hands over the Kingdom to God and God then becomes "all in all".


Western translations are driven by Augustine's wretched and horrible mistranslation of the Greek, including the verses you quoted above. Augustine did not know Greek and made no secret of his complete distaste for the language. What an act of hubris to then translate something you don't even know into what you think it should be!
 
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Yeah, now there is a great mass of a whole four of us! Hold the fort, guys!!
Hey, guy. . .nice to see you pop in again.

Did you see my response below to the question you kept asking?
Lex talionis means "the punishment fits the offense."

You didn't answer my question. What is "lex talionis?"
Please describe for me the biblical punishment as found in Scripture - lex talionis.
You mean this lex talionis, of Lev 24:18-21--eye for eye, tooth for tooth?

Where God is:
1) punishing fire (Lev 10:1) with fire (Lev 10:2),
2) punishing those who refused to be ruled by One who loves them (Lev 26:14-15), by giving them over to be ruled by those who hate them (Lev 26:17),
3) punishing those who refuse to fear him (Lev 26:23), with fear of everything else (Lev 26:36-38),
4) punishing the lust of the Levite's concubines (Jdg 19:2), with lust (Jdg 19:25),
5) punishing morally insensitive Nabal (1Sa 25:10-11), with insensitivity (1Sa 25:37-38),
6) punishing Michal's reproach of David for dancing before the ark (2Sa 6:20), with the reproach of barrenness (2Sa 6:23),
7) punishing David's killing of Uriah by the sword of the Ammonites (2Sa 12:9), with a sword upon David's house (2Sa 12:10),
8) punishing David's lying with another man's wife in secret (2Sa 11:3-4), with another man lying with his wife in public (2Sa 12:11-12),
9) punishing David's numbering of the fighting men (2Sa 24:2), with a plague which reduced the number of the fighting men (2Sa 24:5),
10) punishing dishonor (Ro 1:21) to God, with dishonor to themselves (Ro 1:24),
11) punishing spiritual prostitution (idolatry--Ro 1:23), with sexual depravity (Ro 1:24-27),
12) punishing suppression of God's truth (Ro 1:18, 25), with abandonment to a depraved mind (Ro 1:28),
13) punishing trouble with trouble (2Th 1:6) and,
14) punishing harm with harm (2Pe 2:13).

Is that the lex talionis of God punishing that you want me to describe?

And this punishing God is also our loving God.


Our loving God does not sacrifice justice to love. . .either in the above. . . or on the cross... or in
Rev 20:14-15 in the Lake of Fire.
 
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We appear to be at an impasse. - lol

You are wasting your breath, my good man. Clare is completely sold out to HER INTERPRETATION of the Sacred Scriptures. She does not believe the Bible, she believes an interpretation she was taught by some Bible-thumping Fundamentalist drooling-on-his- hoes preacher. And yes, I am deliberately being crass in my description because I sat under the preaching of these fools for much longer than I care to admit. They act as if they alone have the truth and everyone else is headed to hell, even other Fundamentalists with whom they disagree.

And poor Clare, she has been taught by them that unless she believes every single thing they teach, and dots ever "I" an crosses every "T" just like they say, she will have a front row seat in the fires of hell with the Pope and the Papists who follow him. I kinda feel sorry for her because her mind is so locked up.
 
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You are wasting your breath, my good man. Clare is completely sold out to HER INTERPRETATION of the Sacred Scriptures. She does not believe the Bible, she believes an interpretation she was taught by some Bible-thumping Fundamentalist drooling-on-his-shoes preacher. And yes, I am deliberately being crass in my description because I sat under the preaching of these fools for much longer than I care to admit.
Would there be a little projection going on here?
They act as if they alone have the truth and everyone else is headed to hell, even other Fundamentalists with whom they disagree.

And poor Clare, she has been taught by them that unless she believes every single thing they teach, and dots ever "I" an crosses every "T" just like they say, she will have a front row seat in the fires of hell with the Pope and the Papists who follow him. I kinda feel sorry for her because her mind is so locked up.
And still. . .none of which offers a Biblical demonstration of your argument.

I'm thinkin' the Word of God is exactly where one's mind should be locked up. . .and locked out
from any human wisdom that would overthrow the divine wisdom.

1Co 2:1-2:
"I do not come with eloquence or superior wisdom" when I present the Word of God written.
"For I resolved to know nothing except" the Word of God written.

C'mon guy. . .Scripture is the only authority for God's truth.
It's your job to make a Biblical demonstration showing where my mistake lies.

Assertion without Biblical demonstration is without Biblical merit.

And that's where you still are.
 
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You're so good.
But what matters is if the Word of God written has any authority to you.
Does it matter if what you believe is actually true or not?
Are there consequences for believing untruth?
Are there consequences for willful blindness?

That's what's at stake here.
 
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C'mon guy. . .Scripture is the only authority for God's truth.

It's your job to make a Biblical demonstration showing where my mistake lies.

You are blind. If Scripture alone is the only source of truth, then why are there dozens and dozens of different Protestant denominations who all say that, who all claim the Holy Spirit is leading them, and yet who can't agree on major issues, such as salvation, baptism, the Holy Spirit, etc? If the Scriptures were that clear, there would be unity in Protestantism as there is unity in Holy Orthodoxy. No matter what flavor of Orthodoxy you are in (Russian, Coptic, Ukrainian, OCA, etc.) they all hold to the same beliefs.

Therefore, you have to go back in time to see what the very first Christians believed because they were taught by the Apostles, who were taught by Christ. So if someone said to St. Polycarp, who was taught by Apostle John, "Well, the Eucharist really isn't the very Body and Blood of Christ." Polycarp would have said, "That is not what John taught me."

You really don't get it, do you? You are following an interpretation, and that interpretation disagrees with what the very first Chritians taught.
 
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But what matters is if the Word of God written has any authority to you.

Keep it up, Clare. You are demonstrating that the Bible has no authority to you. There is nothing in the original Greek which says "eternal hell." Nothing. The Latin mistranslations are just that - a series of horrible errors in translation which you choose to follow over the Greek.

And if it doesn't say it in the Greek, I do not believe it! End of discussion. I will believe the original texts only. You can believe your warped and hideous mistranslations from Roman Catholicism and Protestantism.
 
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You are blind. If Scripture alone is the only source of truth,
Scripture is not the only source of truth, it is the only judge of spiritual truth.
then why are there dozens and dozens of different Protestant denominations who all say that, who all claim the Holy Spirit is leading them, and yet who can't agree on major issues, such as salvation, baptism, the Holy Spirit, etc? If the Scriptures were that clear, there would be unity in Protestantism as there is unity in Holy Orthodoxy. No matter what flavor of Orthodoxy you are in (Russian, Coptic, Ukrainian, OCA, etc.) they all hold to the same beliefs.

Therefore, you have to go back in time to see what the very first Christians believed because they were taught by the Apostles, who were taught by Christ. So if someone said to St. Polycarp, who was taught by Apostle John, "Well, the Eucharist really isn't the very Body and Blood of Christ." Polycarp would have said, "That is not what John taught me."

You really don't get it, do you? You are following an interpretation, and that interpretation disagrees with what the very first Chritians taught.
And still. . .no Biblical demonstration of your argument.

So still. . .Assertion without Biblical demonstration is without Biblical merit.
 
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Clare73 said:
But what matters is if the Word of God written has any authority to you.
Does it matter if what you believe is actually true or not?
Are there consequences for believing untruth?
Are there consequences for willful blindness?

That's what's at stake here.
Keep it up, Clare. You are demonstrating that the Bible has no authority to you. There is nothing in the original Greek which says "eternal hell." Nothing. The Latin mistranslations are just that - a series of horrible errors in translation which you choose to follow over the Greek.
Previously 'litigated," more than once; e.g., in posts #309, 310, 316 (p. 16):
"The unending fire in the English translations of Mt 12:32; Lk 3:17; Rev 14:11, 19:2, 3, 20:15, 21:8 are not challenged by anyone."

See post #381, top of this page, for source of "Gehenna."
And if it doesn't say it in the Greek, I do not believe it! End of discussion. I will believe the original texts only. You can believe your warped and hideous mistranslations from Roman Catholicism and Protestantism.
Agreed. . .so see the Greek in the above, where it does say it.
 
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1Co 2:1-2:
"I do not come with eloquence or superior wisdom" when I present the Word of God written.
"For I resolved to know nothing except" the Word of God written.
Wow. Where did you dig that up? (see below)
Furthermore, since that was written before the NT canon was collected and voted on, to what "Word of God written" would the apostle be referring?

1 Corinthians 2:1-2 NIV
And so it was with me, brothers and sisters. When I came to you, I did not come with eloquence or human wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. 2 For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
 
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Wow. Where did you dig that up? (see below)
Sorry for the confusion regarding my parallel. . .

In response to the charge against me that my "mind is so locked up,"
I presented a parallel of how Paul's "mind was so locked up" (1Co 2:1-2) as to "know nothing. . .
except Jesus Christ
and him
crucified"-
-no words of eloquence on the consuming fire of God, the fire of God's presence, etc., etc.,
no notions of human wisdom denying divine revelation in regard to everlasting fire for the condemned.

I'm using the principle of Paul in his preaching as a parallel
of my own principle of the Word of God written being my only authority.
Furthermore, since that was written before the NT canon was collected and voted on,
to what "Word of God written" would the apostle be referring?
My use of it and parallel meaning are about the singleness of the authority that I use for my belief, not about the simplicity of the words Paul uses in his preaching.

Sorry my parallel wasn't clear. . .

1 Corinthians 2:1-2 NIV
And so it was with me, brothers and sisters. When I came to you, I did not come with eloquence or human wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. 2 For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
 
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