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I am here to introduce myself as an "atheist". I do not intend to curry favour, earn sympathy, wrestle or be converted but rather to share myself.

I call myself an atheist but this is merely pragmatic. I live life as if I'm on my own. Though when alone in a room, able to steal, I do consider the lesson of what would you do if being watched, who are you truly? This is a Christian lesson and its value is enormous.

Philosophically I'm agnostic. I cannot know. I live in the superposition. I can switch between atheist or christian at will. I have free will. Regardless of who or what this came from I am thankful for the gift of being able to see the many faces of the unknown and to assume any position I will.

I've been called a militant atheist. Though it might not be literally true it may at times be spiritually true. Sparring with Christians has always been a benefit in confronting the real hard problems rather than being buried only in science which by definition is knowledge that is easy and then they say that is all knowledge. They say there are no atheists in fox holes. They are wrong. Atheists these days can only be found in fox holes.

The reason for my wariness of Christianity is that I don't like to be imposed upon. These days Christianity barely poses any such threat. I find myself deeply concerned today to see atheists desperately trying to impose themselves on Christians and everyone else. Not their good ideas but their wrong ideas.

I myself have long been persecuted. Some of my earliest memories. When I was six they would beat me, molest me in every possible way, spit on me, stone me and things which thankfully I don't remember in addition to things I simply will not say. It is the psychological abuse that is the worst. It is easy to break a body but a soul cannot be directly injured.

This kind of persecution is the one thing I cannot abide by. Whether it's against Christians and even if I don't fully believe as they do. First and foremost you're a person, with a soul, subjective experience and that takes precedence. Science has cracked many eggs gaining ground over religion a lot but it hasn't cracked that even, the hard problem of consciousness. For example, that we feel pain for real.

Whether in the hands of God or if I must wield myself this sword shall cut down evil where ever it hides and there's no hiding place. Evil has convinced me to fight against it better than your holy words ever could.
 
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Hi, I hope we can help you resolve some the issues that bother you. Christianity is not your problem. Your understanding is flawed. It does not help that many Christians have misconceptions also.

".......Not that we lord it over your faith, but we are fellow workers with you for your joy, because it is by faith that you stand firm."

"Be shepherds of God’s flock that is among you, watching over them not out of compulsion, but because it is God’s will; not out of greed, but out of eagerness; not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock."

But Jesus called them aside and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their superiors exercise authority over them. It shall not be this way among you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant…
 
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Welcome to the forums :)

May I ask which thoughts made you join this place? This is a rather peaceful forum so I guess "fighting the evil in this world" is not the reason. I'm curious what your intention is and I hope you will find what you are looking for!
 
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My problem is bullies beating up on me and Christians. People with no rhyme or reason. Only in it for themselves. We have one thing in common. We're trying to better ourselves. They're trying to defeat us.

It makes me really angry the way they treat me but also the way they treat you. Kicking a dog when it's down. I don't know about God's love but you have mine. Technically speaking if he does exist he gave me that to give to you so it's his love too.

I think many Christians do get some things wrong. For example on contraception. I think pleasure should always be balanced of my own volition but the story used doesn't speak to that. It's obvious to me his wickedness was deception in failing to fulfil his duty saying he would and doubting God's ability to see all in combination with a wicked motive out of jealous trying to get out of giving his dead brother an heir so he could have it all to himself even getting the carnal pleasure free of charge. The wickedness in his mind was that he wanted it all.

I can bring up other arguments that makes that situation worse and speaks to things related but that story does not elaborate on. A good strategy is that a reward for the sake of reward you eventually cannot afford. Using contraception is not what that story is talking about though rather abusing it as part of a grander scheme.

I don't know if this is a problem with not enough bible study or too much or both as one person can give one interpretation for you and the other another both wrong, right or either. I wonder how different schools of discipline approach that. I've met many Christians who tell me things about God I know would not normally be so based on the Bible making mistakes like thinking when God was speaking to a particular person in a story he is speaking to them. Most of the stories actually make sense but it can be really hard without context so if you just read a Bible alone I think you can be coerced into misreading it.

Instead you can end up reading yourself instead when faced with what you cannot read and also wanting instruction when what's on offer is meaning or understanding.

Either way you're not alone. You have friends in places you might not have expected. Either way we all have a soul. Argue as much as we like about what lives in the unknown we cannot be split on the evil that is known.

That is what I want. For your to know that.
 
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My problem is bullies beating up on me and Christians. People with no rhyme or reason. Only in it for themselves. We have one thing in common. We're trying to better ourselves. They're trying to defeat us.

It makes me really angry the way they treat me but also the way they treat you. Kicking a dog when it's down. I don't know about God's love but you have mine. Technically speaking if he does exist he gave me that to give to you so it's his love too.

I think many Christians do get some things wrong. For example on contraception. I think pleasure should always be balanced of my own volition but the story used doesn't speak to that. It's obvious to me his wickedness was deception in failing to fulfil his duty saying he would and doubting God's ability to see all in combination with a wicked motive out of jealous trying to get out of giving his dead brother an heir so he could have it all to himself even getting the carnal pleasure free of charge. I can bring up other arguments that makes that situation worse and speaks to things related but that story does not elaborate on. A good strategy is that a reward for the sake of reward you eventually cannot afford. Using contraception is not what that story is talking about though rather abusing it as part of a grander scheme.

I don't know if this is a problem with not enough bible study or too much or both as one person can give one interpretation for you and the other another both wrong, right or either. I wonder how different schools of discipline approach that. I've met many Christians who tell me things about God I know would not normally be so based on the Bible making mistakes like thinking when God was speaking to a particular person in a story he is speaking to them. Most of the stories actually make sense but it can be really hard without context so if you just read a Bible alone I think you can be coerced into misreading it.

Instead you can end up reading yourself instead when faced with what you cannot read and also wanting instruction when what's on offer is meaning or understanding.

Thank you for the insight :)
The Bible contains all kinds of stories and it does never say in the title "this is right" or "this is wrong". The people in the Bible are portrayed with all their flaws and virtues, with their sins as well as their justices. Some people make the gross mistake to think that God approves of everything that is described in the Biblical stories (which leads to mistaken opinions like "the Bible supports slavery" and similar silly things). The first and most important thing in order to understand a story in the Bible (and to be able to determine whether the story is meant to be an exemplar or a deterrent example) is to know who God is.
I don't think there is something like "too much Bible study" but there certainly are ways to study the Bible wrong - like reading it with prejudices, doubt or rejection.

That's why I would always recommend to read the New Testament first before you read the Old Testament: Jesus is the image of the invisible God and shows us who and how God actually is. Only when we know Jesus we are able to understand all the stories in the Old Testament correctly and can tell what God approves of and what not.
 
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The old testament, I've only glimpsed a bits got sometimes it feels like just they were trying to keep hold of whatever they could when paper was almost as perishable as it was available.

To me the bible really only tells me one thing overall. The importance of meaning, understanding and sharing that which is really difficult. The importance of stories, key experiences that open our eyes. The lesson of passing on that which has the most worth.

I feel like we've lost that skill. People today increasingly cannot tell you meaningful stories. The Bible to me is sort of a beginning, then you learn by example. My grandfather would tell me stories, key moments in his life.

I never see people able to do this anymore. They gossip about spectacle but seem to have lost the ability to share deep and meaningful life lessons or life stories.
 
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I am here to introduce myself as an "atheist". I do not intend to curry favour, earn sympathy, wrestle or be converted but rather to share myself.

I call myself an atheist but this is merely pragmatic. I live life as if I'm on my own. Though when alone in a room, able to steal, I do consider the lesson of what would you do if being watched, who are you truly? This is a Christian lesson and its value is enormous.

Philosophically I'm agnostic. I cannot know. I live in the superposition. I can switch between atheist or christian at will. I have free will. Regardless of who or what this came from I am thankful for the gift of being able to see the many faces of the unknown and to assume any position I will.

I've been called a militant atheist. Though it might not be literally true it may at times be spiritually true. Sparring with Christians has always been a benefit in confronting the real hard problems rather than being buried only in science which by definition is knowledge that is easy and then they say that is all knowledge. They say there are no atheists in fox holes. They are wrong. Atheists these days can only be found in fox holes.

The reason for my wariness of Christianity is that I don't like to be imposed upon. These days Christianity barely poses any such threat. I find myself deeply concerned today to see atheists desperately trying to impose themselves on Christians and everyone else. Not their good ideas but their wrong ideas.

I myself have long been persecuted. Some of my earliest memories. When I was six they would beat me, molest me in every possible way, spit on me, stone me and things which thankfully I don't remember in addition to things I simply will not say. It is the psychological abuse that is the worst. It is easy to break a body but a soul cannot be directly injured.

This kind of persecution is the one thing I cannot abide by. Whether it's against Christians and even if I don't fully believe as they do. First and foremost you're a person, with a soul, subjective experience and that takes precedence. Science has cracked many eggs gaining ground over religion a lot but it hasn't cracked that even, the hard problem of consciousness. For example, that we feel pain for real.

Whether in the hands of God or if I must wield myself this sword shall cut down evil where ever it hides and there's no hiding place. Evil has convinced me to fight against it better than your holy words ever could.
Welcome to the forums. I hope you will enjoy your time here.
 
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