Trump’s ‘patriots’ literally a murderous mob.

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The government isn’t weak enough to be overthrown by a mere political protest - yet.
What the attackers did was not a legal and peaceful protest, of course. I think this is clear. But I don't think they represent all people who went to the While House; some number likely had not been notified of the intentions of certain ringleaders, and you could see a number backing off from those gathered around outside the While House.

But even if the invaders had captured the electoral records and destroyed them and captured the officials and officers in the While House, that would not have brought down the government. The active invaders of the While House could never have the numbers and power to control over three hundred million Americans.

Also, no government can continue, I dare consider, unless the people go along with it . . . under more or less coercion, of course. But my opinion is that even if all-out armed and trained terrorists captured the White House and killed all the politicians and police, or kept them hostage, they would have nothing: most citizens outside the building would not cooperate with them, plus they would not logistically have the manpower to control more than three hundred million Americans.

But raiding the White House, including by using assault and vandalism, is a crime, not a peaceful protest. And with a group doing such a thing there is the risk of psychopaths blending in until they have an opportunity to do much more harm than the organizers might have intended.

And possibly there were more committed and prepared men who were trying to stir up others to become more violent and aggressive, than ones had planned on being.

It looked to me as though a lot of people were there but did not know what to do. It sounds like there were tens of thousands of people at Donald's speech, but there were not tens of thousands of people swarming the White House premises. Plus, a fair number on the White House grounds seemed to not even be trying to get to the White House doors; may be they had understood that going to the White House was supposed to be a civil action, but then they ran into a surprise as certain ones tried to get everyone violent. And some number, then, were walking away, right while the attackers were still busy.

So, I see how certain ringleaders were trying to convert would-be peaceful protesters into a large attack group. But that fizzled. Even guys in the building were on camera facing officers, but they did not effectively take an advantage; in one case, even, an officer backed down from a few of them, and they just kind of walked toward the officer. The guys did not seem to know what they were doing, there. A couple of guys got to significant spots, and just chilled out in chairs, of all things!

So, if Donald had tens of thousands of listeners during his speech, they were not later at the White House, as well as I could see. It looked like not more than a thousand outside, or so. And, like I think I could see > even the rabble-rousers were not well-trained attack people . . . not military, not military-style trained terrorists. Well-trained American soldiers have been fighting in other lands.
 
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People seriously believe this? The government isn’t weak enough to be overthrown by a mere political protest - yet. Someone’s letting off how insecure they really are.
the leader of the protesters was indeed trying to overthrow the US government by trying to void its election and install someone else as president.

In any case, many hundreds of crimes were committed in the siege of the Capitol, the second second successful in our history.
 
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Protesting.
Protesting? A mob of malcontents and deniers crap all over the American democratic process of government and people end up dead. That is way past a protest.
The crap this mob deposited on Capitol Hill is the same crap that has been feed to them for the past four years by a narcissistic egotist called Trump who has heaped shame on the highest office in the land.
America's friends and allies across the world have been looking on with shock and dismay at what has happened. America's enemies no doubt rubbing their hands in satisfaction.
The blame lies squarely at the door of a disgraced President who does not deserve to hold such a title.
Thankfully, he will soon be gone and America can breathe a sigh of relief.
Let's just hope it's a collective sigh of relief.
 
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Am I really that more perceptive than everyone else that has listened to the Trump call for a march on the capitol (and worse on inauguration day? Really? I knew what was being attempted BEFORE Trump's speech (and those of Jr and Guiliani). It was all over the media. No one should have been surprised. I even posted my expectations her, albeit with regard to Inauguration Day.

Of course, Trump didn't call out the Guard. The Joint Chiefs had to call Pence and congressional leaders before sending them in.

It is also clear that the capitol police had no interest in preventing the insurrectionists from breaking in. Did Trump make clear to them that these were his friends and supporters, or was it simply obvious? Does anyone believe that there wouldn't have been hundreds and hundreds of arrests if black leaders were in the place of those whites carrying Trump and confederate flags?

This is the 2nd day of infamy in my lifetime (after 911). I wasn't alive for Pearl Harbor. Of course, many didn't need hindsight to realize that the election of Trump was another such day.

What the attackers did was not a legal and peaceful protest, of course. I think this is clear. But I don't think they represent all people who went to the While House; some number likely had not been notified of the intentions of certain ringleaders, and you could see a number backing off from those gathered around outside the While House.

But even if the invaders had captured the electoral records and destroyed them and captured the officials and officers in the While House, that would not have brought down the government. The active invaders of the While House could never have the numbers and power to control over three hundred million Americans.

Also, no government can continue, I dare consider, unless the people go along with it . . . under more or less coercion, of course. But my opinion is that even if all-out armed and trained terrorists captured the White House and killed all the politicians and police, or kept them hostage, they would have nothing: most citizens outside the building would not cooperate with them, plus they would not logistically have the manpower to control more than three hundred million Americans.

But raiding the White House, including by using assault and vandalism, is a crime, not a peaceful protest. And with a group doing such a thing there is the risk of psychopaths blending in until they have an opportunity to do much more harm than the organizers might have intended.

And possibly there were more committed and prepared men who were trying to stir up others to become more violent and aggressive, than ones had planned on being.

It looked to me as though a lot of people were there but did not know what to do. It sounds like there were tens of thousands of people at Donald's speech, but there were not tens of thousands of people swarming the White House premises. Plus, a fair number on the White House grounds seemed to not even be trying to get to the White House doors; may be they had understood that going to the White House was supposed to be a civil action, but then they ran into a surprise as certain ones tried to get everyone violent. And some number, then, were walking away, right while the attackers were still busy.

So, I see how certain ringleaders were trying to convert would-be peaceful protesters into a large attack group. But that fizzled. Even guys in the building were on camera facing officers, but they did not effectively take an advantage; in one case, even, an officer backed down from a few of them, and they just kind of walked toward the officer. The guys did not seem to know what they were doing, there. A couple of guys got to significant spots, and just chilled out in chairs, of all things!

So, if Donald had tens of thousands of listeners during his speech, they were not later at the White House, as well as I could see. It looked like not more than a thousand outside, or so. And, like I think I could see > even the rabble-rousers were not well-trained attack people . . . not military, not military-style trained terrorists. The real American soldiers well-trained have been fighting real terrorists in other lands; if even one off-duty American military person had been around during that attack, some number of those invaders could be wishing they had been somewhere else.
 
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Protesting? .

Of course this wasn't protesting.

During the Arab Spring, we understood the nature of such events. A political leader loses an election or a vote. He has his non-military army of supporters attack the government and prevent them from supporting an election. Finally, their is the siege of government offices.

The Congress was meeting to approve an election, after 50 states and 60 courts had already approved it,
Trump had illegally pressured governors, legislators and other state personnel from many states. He threatened many senators, telling them what would happen if they didn't support his attack on the election. He put strong pressure on Pence to illegally act and not approve the election. This was after the Trump folks petitioned the Supreme Court to give Pence more powers in this matter. It is not clear how many minutes the Supreme Court gave the revolutionary idea that the VP could void the results of elections after the states had certified those elections.

And finally, when Trump's army attacked and the VP and other leaders were taken away, Trumpd ididn't ever even call to ask the status of Pence and his family. All Trump cared about was that his army was failing to complete their task. He couldn't even criticize them. After all, when Congress was stealing theircountry and putting their Fearless Leader out of power, how else were they supposed to act?
 
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Does anyone believe that there wouldn't have been hundreds and hundreds of arrests if black leaders were in the place of those whites carrying Trump and confederate flags?

Police are usually ordered to stand down in those cases.
 
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Am I really that more perceptive than everyone else that has listened to the Trump call for a march on the capitol (and worse on inauguration day? Really? I knew what was being attempted BEFORE Trump's speech (and those of Jr and Guiliani). It was all over the media. No one should have been surprised. I even posted my expectations her, albeit with regard to Inauguration Day.

Of course, Trump didn't call out the Guard. The Joint Chiefs had to call Pence and congressional leaders before sending them in.

It is also clear that the capitol police had no interest in preventing the insurrectionists from breaking in. Did Trump make clear to them that these were his friends and supporters, or was it simply obvious? Does anyone believe that there wouldn't have been hundreds and hundreds of arrests if black leaders were in the place of those whites carrying Trump and confederate flags?

This is the 2nd day of infamy in my lifetime (after 911). I wasn't alive for Pearl Harbor. Of course, many didn't need hindsight to realize that the election of Trump was another such day.

Trump lied in his so-called concession speech because he said that he deployed the National Guard and federal law enforcement. He also turned his back on the terrorists who attacked the Capitol.

 
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They were merely trying to prevent a lawful transfer of power and threatening the Vice President and Congress members after being incited by the sitting President. No biggie, right.
Sedition at the very least. Look up the legal definition. And I do believe that it is a rather serious felony.
 
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One has to wonder exactly what that poor, unarmed woman was doing at the time she was shot. Was she standing in line at the grocery store? Was she sitting on a park bench watching the clouds? Was she playing basketball with her friends? Was she driving while black? What WAS she doing?
I dunno....what were they doing at the Boston Massacre?
 
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Fake news.

The link now says.

U.S. Capitol Police said in a statement on Thursday that media reports that an officer had died after the storming of the Capitol by supporters of President Donald Trump were inaccurate.

The police, on the other hand, did shoot an unarmed woman through the neck...
That was the secret service, protecting Pence from a mob. Do not cross the USSS, they do not de escalate, they only neutralize. If you are just a lone person charging a stage, they may tackled you. If you are a part of an angry mob smashing through doors and you breach first, they will put you down as an example to those behind you. They are there to protect the President/vice president and don't hold back if a threat presents itself.
 
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I dunno....what were they doing at the Boston Massacre?

They were carrying out a premeditated terrorist attack on America...just like this woman.
 
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