Supporting Trump -- calculation for 2024?

JohnDB said:

Pence actually has a very good shot at winning in 2024.
He hasn't been caught up in the Trump rhetoric or crass remarks.

He has a formidable stage presence and is rather good on conservative issues.

Well spoken man IMHO.

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He exacted the right thing to do. Will never get credit for hit b/c right now in our country we're painted blue or red & people choose to judge a book by its cover. Think he will retire. Does not have enough gusto to impress either side. But he did his job responsibly.

lordjeff said:

Gee Mr. O bowed to every foreign prince.

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Oh baloney. Obama showed appropriate respect to other heads of nations instead of squeezing their hands or shoving them out of his way. Respect is a good thing, not shameful at all. Bullying is for the weak and insecure.

The media was to get him in the first place focused on those things. But you could not list half of the laws he signed b/c you're not interested. Clearly you don't care for economics.

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Your post is a bit garbled here - the "him" and "he" are who, Mr. O?

While I appreciate you informing me what interests me and what I care for, or not, as the case may be, this pivot, once again, to personal remarks says more about you than me.

We don't have to agree it's a free country. Let's see how long it lasts.

lordjeff said:

We don't have to agree it's a free country. Let's see how long it lasts.

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Good thing the Terrorists were unable to overthrow the rule of law, yesterday, huh? Otherwise we'd be going straight into a dictatorship of the one they followed.

Well people hate insurrectionists on the opposite side of their beliefs. How many mayors kept police in check during the riots by BLM this summer. But a lesson from history: would we've had the Boston Tea Party folks just write a letter to King George; would we advise the same for John Brown or Nat Turner?

lordjeff said:

Well people hate insurrectionists on the opposite side of their beliefs. How many mayors kept police in check during the riots by BLM this summer.

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Last I checked, the BLM protesters weren't trying to overthrow the government. It's an important distinction.

I suspect that both mainstream Democrats and Republicans would be fine if Trump were impeached, and there is a vote that he cannot serve again in any federal position.

Republicans could then look forward to 2024 without considering a possible Trump candidacy.

I think Trump has lost/will lose 20+ million voters by his action on January 6. More will come out in the days and months ahead. And memoirs will be written.

John Kasich and Paul Ryan are good men, true conservatives, constitutionalists, balanced budget rule of law people. Unfortunately they might be considered as RINO's in
GOP's current right wing environment.

martin-luther2 said:

I think Trump has lost/will lose 20+ million voters by his action on January 6. More will come out in the days and months ahead. And memoirs will be written.

John Kasich and Paul Ryan are mentally stable, good men, real patriots, true conservatives, constitutionalists, federalists, rule of law. Unfortunately they might be considered as RINO's in
GOP's current right wing environment.

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Is my arithmetic wrong?

Losing 20 million+ voters, still leaves more than 50 million Trumpers.

I think that the number is closer to 40 million, but that is still a huge albatross aound the necks of the Republican Party and the U.

mark46 said:

Is my arithmetic wrong?

Losing 20 million+ voters, still leaves more than 50 million Trumpers.

I think that the number is closer to 40 million, but that is still a huge albatross aound the necks of the Republican Party and the U.

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I don’t think it would be fair to say everyone who voted for Trump was a Trumper. I think a portion voted for Trump but he lost and that’s the way the cookie crumbles sometimes and had moved on with their lives before Veterans Day.

That said it is still a scary large number who have a cult like zeal for Trump and nothing will turn them from that. If Ivanka held a press conference today announcing the election was fair and honest and Trump lost, she would be renounced as a deep state plant.

You can see what you get for *not* supporting Trump enough.

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Lindsey Graham just made the mistake walking by me and a mass of angry patriots at the airport in DC. All America wants is for you to AUDIT OUR VOTE and purge this election of this massive corruption...and you won’t do it. We’re not letting this “slide” so expect more of this.

There's video attached, but it gets profane. Senator Graham is surrounded by a security detail as angry Trump fans hound him through an airport concourse. Thank god none of them had nail scissors.

GreatLakes4Ever said:

I don’t think it would be fair to say everyone who voted for Trump was a Trumper. I think a portion voted for Trump but he lost and that’s the way the cookie crumbles sometimes and had moved on with their lives before Veterans Day.

That said it is still a scary large number who have a cult like zeal for Trump and nothing will turn them from that. If Ivanka held a press conference today announcing the election was fair and honest and Trump lost, she would be renounced as a deep state plant.

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???
75 million voted for Trump. I suggested that 40 million Trumpers are out there. I didn't suggest that everyone who vote for Trump was a Trumper. I understand that many who voted for him in 2016 and in 2020 want no responsibility for their vote.

DaisyDay said:

No, Donald Trump is most definitely NOT patriotic. He is encouraging insurrection amongst his followers.

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Since when is insurrection un-American?

RocksInMyHead said:

Last I checked, the BLM protesters weren't trying to overthrow the government. It's an important distinction.

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Anyone can smash the windows of a coffee shop or clean off the shelves of a clothing store. Nobody's ever successfully forced their way into the Capitol. Here you had the marginalized striking a blow against the privileged, which is what the Left has always said they were for. Storming the Capitol - you can't "punch up" any further than that.

For generations, leftists have dreamed of the day when crowds of angry demonstrators would storm the halls of the US government. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it...

SoldierOfTheKing said:

Since when is insurrection un-American?



Anyone can smash the windows of a coffee shop or clean off the shelves of a clothing store. Nobody's ever successfully forced their way into the Capitol. Here you had the marginalized striking a blow against the privileged, which is what the Left has always said they were for. Storming the Capitol - you can't "punch up" any further than that.

For generations, leftists have dreamed of the day when crowds of angry demonstrators would storm the has of the US government. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it...

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Your view of “the left” is skewered.