Does faith justify? (I have an answer, but would like input.

Does faith justify?


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Jesus also said that "His yoke is (always) easy, and His burden is (always) light", and also that some of the, which were back in those days, the "Pharisees", etc, were "loading up heavy burdens on the backs of men (or people who would listen to them) (and I assume, the ones that were trying to be doing things in the way that they (the Pharisees) were teaching or telling them to do them, etc) but that they themselves were, for one, not at all sinless or perfect, and for another, did not at all live the lifestyle, nor practiced what they theselves preached, and then for even another, were completely unwilling to even try to lift any of those burdens (that they were putting on, not just some people, but everyone, etc) with even one of their smallest or littlest fingers", etc...

In short, they were not teaching people the right or true or genuine ways or how to ever really truely and genuinely and successfully do them truly successfully right, etc...

Which I (with the Lord's help) am trying to correct or remedy, and/or justify, etc...

Anyway, just some food for thought, etc...

God Bless!
And they will be judged for that last part I just now mentioned BTW, etc...

But those who are teaching only the true and right and correct way (the way thay does not make it a heavy burden, etc), will not be, etc, and will not be judged "at all", etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!
 
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Not calling you a "Pharisee" though, BTW, OK, just making a general generalized statement is all, etc, and to just point out that I always think it's important for all of us always to just "check ourselves", or keep ourselves in check always, OK...

Just wanted you to know personally that I wasn't just only just necessarily talking about you or just only you personally, OK...?

Peace,

God Bless!
 
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As for your mention of the words in Isaiah 64:

Well, Isaiah 64 says,

5 “Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.
6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.”​

Notice that in context in verse 5, God meets the person who rejoices and works righteousness. But then verse 5 says they have sinned. Verse 6 then says that their righteousness is as filthy rags. This means man made traditions and not the works of righteousness whereby God meets with them.

In other words, verse 5 is obedience to God's commands.
Verse 6 is talking about man made traditions.
So Isaiah 64 is not a point about how we can sin and still be saved.

That's not the point I was trying to make. I was emphasizing the necessity of the cleansing shed blood of our Lord and Saviour to make us acceptable in the eyes of God. Any idea that gives one a licence to sin is a lie.
 
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All Christians agree with the prophecy of Scripture. If a Christian preaches God's Holy Word, they are preaching the prophecy of Christ's 2nd coming (Which is a prophecy). They are preaching the events in Revelation, which is a major prophetic End Times event.

That would be them reading John's prophecy rather than them making a prophecy of their own. Many false prophets / teachers in the past have made false prophecies about the date that the 2nd coming would take place, and of course they were wrong.
 
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To all:

There are those who who say Jesus' burden is light so as to defend Belief Alone-ism or a sin and still be saved gospel.

But they are not reading God's Word in balance with other verses. Jesus also said in Matthew 10:

“He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.” (Matthew 10:37-38).

Some will also say that the Pharisees laid heavy burdens is likened to how we do not need to obey God as a part of salvation: However, the context of the Pharisees placing heavy burdens was not obedience to God's Word. It was their human man made traditions. Jesus had a problem with the Pharisees because they ignored the weightier matters of the Law like love, faith, justice, and mercy (Matthew 23:23) (Luke 11:42).
 
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That's not the point I was trying to make. I was emphasizing the necessity of the cleansing shed blood of our Lord and Saviour to make us acceptable in the eyes of God. Any idea that gives one a licence to sin is a lie.

I am glad to hear it, brother. While Romans 3:25 says that God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, we also know that 1 John 1:7 says, “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.”
 
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That would be them reading John's prophecy rather than them making a prophecy of their own. Many false prophets / teachers in the past have made false prophecies about the date that the 2nd coming would take place, and of course they were wrong.

I disagree, brother. There are no more prophets in the sense of giving us new prophecies today because we cannot add to the prophecy of Revelation (See: Revelation 22:18-19). Also, the prophets who gave prophecies in the Old Testament cannot technically claim that those prophecies are their own prophecies because they did not invent them. The predictions given to them were only by the power of the Lord. We are given prophecy today by Scripture, and if we preach prophetic passages, that makes a prophet because we are declaring a Word of God that will come to pass. So if we preach the 2nd coming of Jesus out of Scripture, we are speaking of a prophetic event. Thus, it makes us a prophet if we do so. It is irrelevant how we obtained this prohecy (in my humble opinion), brother. A vision, or written Word. All of it is a form of communication from God to declare the future.
 
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Those who love sin can cherry pick all sorts of verses to try condoning it.

We can sin and still be saved, but I don't see how one can love sin and be saved.

I am gonna have to disagree with you on this one, brother. Just because somebody hates their sin does not mean that God is going to give them a free pass. For example: That would be like a husband who believes he hates cheating on his wife. In fact, he tells his wife that he hates cheating on her but he simply does not stop doing it. Do you think his wife would stay with him? No. Why? Because he is being unfaithful. So it is irrelevant if he hates his sin or not. Just abiding in a mortal sin without confessing it to Jesus and without seeking to overcome it in this life means one is abiding in spiritual death. Biblical proof?

#1. Numbers 35:16-18 says it only takes one act of murder to be a murderer; And Leviticus 20:10 says it only takes one act of adultery to be an adulterer.

#2. Jesus Himself regarded just looking at a woman once as an act of adultery (Matthew 5:28).

#3. John says, "No murderer has eternal life abiding in them." (1 John 3:15).

#4. Proverbs 6:32 says "Whosoever commits adultery with a woman lacks understanding: he that does it destroys his own soul."

#5. Jesus Himself says that just looking at a woman in lust (Which is adultery) is potential for a person to be cast bodily in hell fire (See Matthew 5:28-30).

#6. David needed to confess of his sin in order to be forgiven (See Psalms 51).

#7. 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

#8. Revelation 21:8 says, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Murderers and whoremongers will be cast into the lake of fire. All liars will be cast into the lake of fire. ALL liars, and not just some. NO murderer has eternal life abiding in them (1 John 3:15).
 
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I am gonna have to disagree with you on this one, brother. Just because somebody hates their sin does not mean that God is going to give them a free pass. For example: That would be like a husband who believes he hates cheating on his wife. In fact, he tells his wife that he hates cheating on her but he simply does not stop doing it. Do you think his wife would stay with him? No. Why? Because he is being unfaithful. So it is irrelevant if he hates his sin or not. Just abiding in a mortal sin without confessing it to Jesus and without seeking to overcome it in this life means one is abiding in spiritual death. Biblical proof?

#1. Numbers 35:16-18 says it only takes one act of murder to be a murderer; And Leviticus 20:10 says it only takes one act of adultery to be an adulterer.

#2. Jesus Himself regarded just looking at a woman once as an act of adultery (Matthew 5:28).

#3. John says, "No murderer has eternal life abiding in them." (1 John 3:15).

#4. Proverbs 6:32 says "Whosoever commits adultery with a woman lacks understanding: he that does it destroys his own soul."

#5. Jesus Himself says that just looking at a woman in lust (Which is adultery) is potential for a person to be cast bodily in hell fire (See Matthew 5:28-30).

#6. David needed to confess of his sin in order to be forgiven (See Psalms 51).

#7. 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

#8. Revelation 21:8 says, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Murderers and whoremongers will be cast into the lake of fire. All liars will be cast into the lake of fire. ALL liars, and not just some. NO murderer has eternal life abiding in them (1 John 3:15).

I wasn't talking about unrepentant sin.
 
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I wasn't talking about unrepentant sin.

I believe we have to overcome at some point in this life our mortal sins. Most believers today don't believe that is possible even though Scripture states otherwise. So if God's Word tells us that we can overcome, and they are declaring they cannot do so, then they are going against God's Word, and they are still justifying sin (even if they were to confess of their sins). For can a man just keep cheating on his wife on occasion and she will be okay with it as long as he says he is sorry? Surely not. If she was smart, she would leave him because he is unfaithful and his words are just empty and not in line with his actions.
 
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I believe we have to overcome at some point in this life our mortal sins. Most believers today don't believe that is possible even though Scripture states otherwise. So if God's Word tells us that we can overcome, and they are declaring they cannot do so, then they are going against God's Word, and they are still justifying sin (even if they were to confess of their sins). For can a man just keep cheating on his wife on occasion and she will be okay with it as long as he says he is sorry? Surely not. If she was smart, she would leave him because he is unfaithful and his words are just empty and not in line with his actions.

I wasn't really talking about "mortal sins" either. I'm not saying it's okay to sin. But we all who are saved continue to sin of course, if even unintentionally. I don't believe "non-mortal sins" are okay either. If I accidently speed, I'm still going to get a ticket, even though I didn't mean to. I still broke the law. There are many things husbands do on a regular basis that displeases their wives. But I'm not talking about things that can be equated with committing adultery.
 
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While I was backslidden for years, I don't think God left me. As a matter of fact I know He didn't, because I believe it was the intervention of the Holy Spirit that caused me to suddenly finally come to my senses. And if God hadn't been with me the whole time I probably would have sinned much worse.

I hate to think it, but I've probably spent more of my life walking away from God, than walking with Him. And even though my current state is considerably better than it was, there's still room for improvement.

But that doesn't mean I got away with anything. I'm being punished with huge regret and remorse. And loss of heavenly rewards.
 
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Does faith justify?
(Note: I am not asking because I don't know the answer).

Some say that faith does not justify.

However, Scripture says we a man is justified by faith.

“Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.”
(Romans 3:28).

“Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:”
(Romans 5:1).

“Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.” (Galatians 2:16).

“Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.” (Galatians 3:24).

Let's deal with the law Paul talks about in (Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself.

(v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)

(v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law.

How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus.

(v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster.

And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law.

Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. So when you quoted all the places in the Bible that do away with this animal sacrificial law, not understanding that Paul talks about two sets of law. The Royal law (Ten Commandments) and the animal sacrificial law sometimes in the same verse you bring destruction to yourselves. At some point common sense you kick in. If I'm reading about the doing away of a law or not under a law, then somewhere else Paul tell you that the law is Holy just and good, another place break mostly all the Ten commandments down. A light bulb should come on in your head, Paul have to be talking about two sets of laws. In other places Paul explain the animal sacrificial law. Once this is understood, moving on become more simpler.

God had Peter to clearly warn us about some of Paul’s writing. (2 Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now let us take heed to this warning, we can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on a hand full of verses out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.

If you are following all of the writing of Paul, then you will find out that you are following Jesus, and if you are truly following Jesus then you are following the law of God.
 
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While God equates Himself as a Husband, He's also our Father. I've never been blessed with children of my own, but I have a godchild I daycared for years starting from infancy. And I love that child (who's now grown up and a parent) with all my heart, more than any other person on earth. And I can't think of anything that child could do cause my love to cease. Maybe there's something that would break my heart, but not my love. But as deep as that love is, I know it's infantesimal compared to the love that God has for me.
 
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While I was backslidden for years, I don't think God left me. As a matter of fact I know He didn't, because I believe it was the intervention of the Holy Spirit that caused me to suddenly finally come to my senses. And if God hadn't been with me the whole time I probably would have sinned much worse.

I hate to think it, but I've probably spent more of my life walking away from God, than walking with Him. And even though my current state is considerably better than it was, there's still room for improvement.

But that doesn't mean I got away with anything. I'm being punished with huge regret and remorse. And loss of heavenly rewards.

“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” (Jeremiah 17:9). So we cannot go off our feelings or thoughts.

The Parable of the Prodigal Son in Luke 15:11-32 proves that a saved believer can die spiritually, and then come back to God again to the saving of their soul. For when the prodigal son came back home and sought forgiveness with his father over squandering his inheritance on prostitutes, his father said that his son was “dead” and he is “alive AGAIN.” The father said this two times in the parable (Luke 15:24, and Luke 15:32). Seeing the prodigal son did not die physically, this means that the son died spiritually and he became alive again spiritually on the account of his actions. The father said he was lost and now he is found. Generally when we speak of the lost, we are talking about the unsaved. James 5:19-20 also teaches this same truth, as well.

There are many warnings to believers about how they will be cast out if they justify sin in this life. The Son of Man (JESUS) will send forth His angels and they will gather out of HIS KINGDOM all things which offend (i.e. anything that makes another to stumble into sin like false beliefs held by men), and who whoever works iniquity and they will be cast into the furnace of fire (i.e. the Lake of Fire) (See: Matthew 13:41-42). We again see something similar happen in Matthew 7:23. Jesus tells certain believers who did wonderful works in His name to depart from Him because they worked iniquity. Iniquity is sin. In Matthew 7:26-27, Jesus says that everyone who does not do what He says, they are like a fool who built His house upon the sand, and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house. This parable came right off of Matthew 7:23 about those believers who justified sin and were told to depart from Him by the Lord Himself. Acts of the Apostles 3:23 says that if every soul who does not hear that prophet (JESUS) they will be destroyed.
 
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While God equates Himself as a Husband, He's also our Father. I've never been blessed with children of my own, but I have a godchild I daycared for years starting from infancy. And I love that child (who's now grown up and a parent) with all my heart, more than any other person on earth. And I can't think of anything that child could do cause my love to cease. Maybe there's something that would break my heart, but not my love. But as deep as that love is, I know it's infantesimal compared to the love that God has for me.

Let’s say there is a man named Rick who had a son. If Ricks's son turned out to be the next Hitler, I don't think he would love him like he did before when he was a child, and nor would he invite him over to his house for dinner and act like nothing is wrong with him. While Rick may love his son's soul, that does not mean Rick would approve of his sins and give him the same favor and love that he had when he was more of an innocent and good child. If Rick had a moral conscience, he would try to bring his son to justice so that more people would not be hurt (or harmed) by him.
 
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1 John 2:3-4 holds the key to understanding Matthew 7:23. 1 John 3:4 basically says sin is the breaking of the Law or the commandment. 1 John 2:4 essentially says that the person who says they know the Lord, and they do not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them. So those believers who did wonderful works in Christ's name were told to depart from the Lord because He did not know them on the account that they did not keep all of His commandments. They justfied sin and thought they could be saved in their sins. But can God agree with sin? Surely not. This is why they were cast out.
Which commandments are you referring to?

Luke 18:10
Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, the sinner!’ I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other.
 
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Jesus said to two people to “sin no more” (John 5:14) (John 8:11).

Note: For the topic of discussion here, I am going to focus on how we need to sin no more in regards to overcoming mortal sin. I say this because the promotion of Sinless Perfection is not allowed in this section of the forums.
I need you to confess.

1 John 2:8-9
If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
 
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1 John 2:3-4 holds the key to understanding Matthew 7:23. 1 John 3:4 basically says sin is the breaking of the Law or the commandment. 1 John 2:4 essentially says that the person who says they know the Lord, and they do not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them. So those believers who did wonderful works in Christ's name were told to depart from the Lord because He did not know them on the account that they did not keep all of His commandments. They justfied sin and thought they could be saved in their sins. But can God agree with sin? Surely not. This is why they were cast out.
Walking in the light is obeying a key commandment; do you know which one it is?
 
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