20 major reasons to reject the Premillennial doctrine

keras · Jan 5, 2021

Spiritual Jew said:
You fail to accept the scriptures that tell us He reigns over the world now.

I know reality when I live it.
Jesus has been given the authority to rule the earth, but has yet to take it up.

Spiritual Jew said:
. Paul wrote that He has authority over all things and every name that is named right now and the Father put all things under His feet.

Hebrews 10:13 Jesus now sits at the right hand of the Father, where He awaits His enemies to be made His footstool. NOT yet happened.

Spiritual Jew said:
What do you think, that the new earth will be a giant ball of gas like the sun or something?

Obviously your mind cannot comprehend spiritual things.

Spiritual Jew said:
If you want to believe in something that completely contradicts everything taught in the book of Hebrews and the rest of the New Testament, that's your choice.

The NT does refer to the new Temple and how the 'beast' will stop worship and ritual offerings in it. 2 Thess 2:4, Matthew 24:15

Spiritual Jew said:
It says it will be AFTER the 69th week and does not say how long after. You are the one changing and twisting scripture to fit your beliefs.

Daniel 9:27 means 'at the completion of the 69th week. NOT 3 1/2 years after.
Making it fit the false theory of the 70th week in the 1st century, is gross error and made only to suit the preterist belief.
That the 70th week will happen in the end times, is proved by the many mentions of the second half in Revelation.

Spiritual Jew · Jan 5, 2021

keras said:
I know reality when I live it.
Jesus has been given the authority to rule the earth, but has yet to take it up.

That is complete nonsense. Nothing happens in the world without Him allowing it. He said Himself after His resurrection and just prior to His ascension that all power and authority in heaven and earth was given to Him. Why was it given to Him if He can't use it?

Hebrews 10:13 Jesus now sits at the right hand of the Father, where He awaits His enemies to be made His footstool. NOT yet happened.

Are you trying to make one scripture cancel out another? Is Hebrews 10:13 true but Ephesians 1:22 is not?

Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Is this how you interpret scripture? You pick the verses you like and accept those and discard the rest? That is wrong. You need to be willing to dig deeper to see what is the truth of this matter. Are things currently all under His feet as Paul said or not? Of course they are. Paul wouldn't lie.

The difference is that all current things are under His feet, but there are still more people to be born in the future who are not yet under His feet. Once it is time for Him to return then all things will be under His feet without anything else yet to be under His feet in the future. That is what Hebrews 10:13 is about.

Hebrews 10:13 is not saying that He does not currently have all things under His feet. Otherwise, it would be contradicting Ephesians 1:22. Why are you okay with interpreting one verse in a way that clearly contradicts another? If He does not have all current things under His feet then does that mean He also is not yet "the head over all things to the church"?

1 Cor 15:22 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Notice that this says He reigns currently and will continue to reign until all enemies who ever will be under His feet have been put under His feet. At that point He will deliver the kingdom to God the Father.

Obviously your mind cannot comprehend spiritual things.

I know yours can't. If you are so knowledgeable about the new earth tell me exactly what it will be like then. Describe it in as much detail as possible since you obviously know everything about it.

The NT does refer to the new Temple and how the 'beast' will stop worship and ritual offerings in it. 2 Thess 2:4, Matthew 24:15

Those verses say no such thing. Not even close. That is your problem. You relate passages together that have nothing to do with each other.

Daniel 9:27 means 'at the completion of the 69th week. NOT 3 1/2 years after.
Making it fit the false theory of the 70th week in the 1st century, is gross error and made only to suit the preterist belief.
That the 70th week will happen in the end times, is proved by the many mentions of the second half in Revelation.

It says AFTER the 69th week, which places it within the 70th week. And it doesn't specify how long after. It does not say "at the completion of the 69th" week! You are being deceptive here to support your doctrine. Are you that desperate to keep your doctrine afloat that you are willing to lie about what scripture says?

The book of Revelation does not say anything about what is written in Daniel 9:24-27.

owly · Jan 5, 2021

keras said:
Jesus has been given the authority to rule the earth, but has yet to take it up.

"And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore....

Christ is here exercising his authority as King; disciples from the nations.

keras · Jan 6, 2021

owly said:
"And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore....

Christ is here exercising his authority as King; disciples from the nations.

I regard this belief as a very serious accusation against Jesus. If He is in full control, as you like to think, then He is surely making a mess of things!

Spiritual Jew said:
Nothing happens in the world without Him allowing it.

God has allowed Satan to be like a roaring lion, deceiving people who don't stand up against him and stay strong in their faith in Jesus. 1 Peter 5:8-9
It is to test us and find out who are His true people.

Spiritual Jew said:
Are you trying to make one scripture cancel out another? Is Hebrews 10:13 true but Ephesians 1:22 is not?

It will be the soon to happen Sixth Seal event, the Lord's terrible Day of fiery wrath, that will put most of His enemies under His feet. Isaiah 66:15-17, Hebrews 10:27, Romans 1:18
Then at the Return, Jesus will kill the rest by the Sword of His Word and will imprison Satan. Only faithful Christians will go into the Millennium.

Spiritual Jew said:
Describe it in as much detail as possible since you obviously know everything about it.

Read Revelation 21 and 22 have most of what we can know about the New Earth, after the Millennium; the Eternal state.

Spiritual Jew said:
It says AFTER the 69th week, which places it within the 70th week. And it doesn't specify how long after. It does not say "at the completion of the 69th" week! You are being deceptive here to support your doctrine. Are you that desperate to keep your doctrine afloat that you are willing to lie about what scripture says?

If the Crucifixion actually was 3 1/2 years into the 70th week, Daniel 9:26 would not just have said after, which denotes either at that time or immediately after, but would have given the time, times and half a time period.
Your theory is shown to be wrong by Daniel 9:27, the first half of the seven years doesn't relate to Jesus Ministry and the second half does not compare in any way with what did happen in the 3 1/2 years following the Crucifixion.

Spiritual Jew said:
The book of Revelation does not say anything about what is written in Daniel 9:24-27.

Actually Daniel is closely paralleled to Revelation. You don't see it because of your preconceived notions.

sovereigngrace · Jan 6, 2021

keras said:
I regard this belief as a very serious accusation against Jesus. If He is in full control, as you like to think, then He is surely making a mess of things!

It is you that is making "a very serious accusation against Jesus."

God has allowed Satan to be like a roaring lion, deceiving people who don't stand up against him and stay strong in their faith in Jesus. 1 Peter 5:8-9
It is to test us and find out who are His true people.

Your defeatist theology is an awful slight on Christ and what He achieved through His sinless life, His atoning death and His glorious resurrection.

With the coming of Christ to this earth came the introduction of His spiritual kingdom. With the introduction of His spiritual kingdom came a direct challenge to the power and influence of Satan on planet earth. With the direct challenge to the power and influence of Satan on planet earth came the spiritual empowerment of the people of God to confront and overcome Satan and his demonic angels.

Wherever the Church advances, the work of Satan is bound!!!

Christ said, to the disciples in Luke 10:19, “Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.”

When you are tuned into heaven, when you are connected to heaven, all things are possible. God is big and the devil is small. The light is shining and the darkness is dispelled. Peace prevails and the power ensues.

Jesus said in Matthew 16:18-19: “I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys (or authority) of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

God has entrusted power and authority to the Church in this age that the devil cannot in any way deal with or thwart. As Christians the highest authority existing on this earth has been delegated to us. Jesus Christ has commissioned us to enforce His will on this corrupt planet. He has filled us with His power. He has anointed us with His authority. We possess divine authority. That is why we come in His name.

Darkness cannot handle the light. When light shines, darkness must go. As the Church of Jesus Christ spreads the good news (or light of the Gospel) throughout the world the devil is exposed for who he is: he is stupid, he is a fool, he is a loser.

We have power over Satan since the cross! If you are walking in obedience, the devil has no authority over you. But you have much power over him. Think about this we have power over Satan and all his demons! He cannot do as he pleases against the people of God. There is much Scripture that says we have power over him.

Some Christians respond, but what about 1 Peter 5:8? Let us read it: “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.” The very next verse 1 Peter 5:9 affirms, “whom resist stedfast in the faith.”

The true Church of Jesus Christ is a resistance movement. While Satan resists us, the Bible says we have power to resist him, and subjugate his purposes against us. We resist the lawlessness and evil encroachments of the devil around us.

In fact, James 4:7 tells us what happens when you do resist, “Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.”

This is incredible! You resist, he must flee. When the devil plants a temptation, a doubt or a fear, you simply have to resist it, whereupon Satan must get his boots on and run. This word “flee” in the original means to escape, flee away or vanish. Now think about it. When you resist, he must disappear. The conflict today for the Church is not an earthly battle to possess an earthly territory but a spiritual battle to possess spiritual territory.

Do you cause Satan sleepless nights or does he cause you sleepless nights?

1 John 2:14: "I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one."

By resisting Satan, standing upon the Word of God, and staying steadfast, we have enormous individual impact upon the kingdom of darkness; we curtail the expansion of its evil designs.

Many Christians imagine power and authority to be the same thing. But as we found out last week: they are not! Scripture uses two different Greek words to describe the distinction.

Luk 9:1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power [dunamis] and authority [exousia] over all devils, and to cure diseases."

· Authority = exousia
· Power = dunamis

Authority is the channel through which power operates. Authority is the legal authorization to function. Power has to do with the outworking of that authority.

According to this Satan should not have power and authority over you, but you should have power and authority over him.

1 John 5:18: “he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Do you believe that? Why? You have authority over him. He has none over you.

It is not just that he cannot stop us or hurt us as we operate in the Spirit but it is that we can actually hurt him. That is the good news of New Testament age we live in.

sovereigngrace · Jan 6, 2021

keras said:
I regard this belief as a very serious accusation against Jesus. If He is in full control, as you like to think, then He is surely making a mess of things!

Jesus is king now. Repeated Scripture shows that Christ is reigning now! He is reigning upon high now! He is King! He is Lord. All power and authority belongs to Him now. Your false teaching causes you to dethrone Christ from His sovereign place reigning over His enemies today.

He testified after His resurrection: “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth” (Matthew 28:18). This is sovereign kingship! He holds this today upon His Father's throne. Him and the Father are one spiritually in authority.

How much more power than “all power ... in heaven and in earth” does He need to exercise power and authority over His enemies?

This proves that Christ has already come and now exercises all power and authority today over all mankind. It means: He carries the Father's divine authority. He is currently enthroned. This is Sovereign kingship! He holds this today upon His Father's throne as God and upon David's throne as Messiah. Him and the Father are one spiritually in authority.

John says in Revelation 3:7, “These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath (present active particle) the key (or authority) of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth.”

He holds all power (without qualification). After all, He is God! God either causes or permits - as He is God and He is sovereign. Simple! That is an explicit biblical truth and a Christian fundamental. The powerful language that accompanies the mention of Christ holding the key of David proves that this is referring to His majestic power and might. It says, “he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth.” This speaks of spiritual power. The key allows Christ to sovereignly open and shut in a way that no man can thwart or override.

He reigns today over the seen and the unseen world making every power and every authority “subject unto him.”

Heaven’s authority is bestowed upon Christ. He is God! Colossians 2:9-10, 14-15 confirms: "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power … Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled (or divested or disarmed) principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.”

He rules intimately over His spiritual kingdom as Messiah and sovereignly over the physical kingdoms of the world and over all mankind as God.

He rules intimately over His spiritual kingdom as Saviour and sovereignly over the physical kingdoms of the world and over all mankind as Lord.

1 Peter 3:22 says, that Christ, “who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God (now!!!); angels and authorities and powers being (currently!!!) made subject unto him.”

Without a doubt Christ is reigning over His enemies since the resurrection, waiting for their final predetermined put down. Those who question Christ’s current reign do great assault upon the truth of God’s Word and undermine the current sovereign kingly position that He now assuredly holds. They also circumvent clear New Testament writings that teach Christ is reigning now.

1 Timothy 6:13-16 says, “I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate (dunastes or ruler, great authority or mighty), the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.”

He is going to reveal to mankind, time, and to the natural, what He is now in heaven, the invisible realm and in eternity. He "is (indeed) the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords.”

This all confirms my previous contention after years of debating this matter in my 13 major reasons why I abandoned the Premil doctrine: Premil is constantly exalting the power and influence of Satan and diluting the sovereign power and influence of Christ. That is nowhere more evident than in their constant rubbishing of Christ’s current kingship over His enemies at the right hand of majesty on high. Whether they mean to or not, Premils are always highlighting what Satan is doing in our day instead of what Christ is doing. Premil portrays a BIG devil and a small god, Amil has a small devil and a BIG God. In Premil, Satan seems sovereign in this age and God is curtailed. Premils are always lauding the ability of Satan since the cross. In Amil, Christ is sovereign and Satan is curtailed. Amils are always lauding the ability of Christ since the cross. As a consequence, Premil portrays an impotent beat-down New Testament Church, whereas Amil sees a victorious potent New Testament Church invading the nations with the good news of Christ and subjugating the powers of darkness as they do so. In Amil Christ reigns over all creation as God and His new creation as Saviour.

If Christ is not already King of kings, then neither is He already Lord of lords. But Revelation 17:14 tell us: "These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."

This doesn't say He will eventually become Lord of lords and King of kings. It rather says that He is already that.

Timtofly · Jan 6, 2021

Spiritual Jew said:
You are not differentiating between the current reality of believers being made spiritually alive by being born again/saved (read Ephesians 1:19-23) and the future hour/time when all who are dead will be bodily resurrected. How do you interpret John 5:28-29?

Right now it is the Holy Spirit working in us, not our own spirit.

Timtofly · Jan 6, 2021

Spiritual Jew said:
I ask you a simple question and you're not even able to answer it. How does any of what you said here answer my question of what will happen to those last days scoffers who mock the promise of His second coming as Peter mentioned in 2 Peter 3? Doesn't it make sense that the fire that comes down upon the earth, as Peter described, will come down upon them? Otherwise, what was his point of mentioning them?

They and their works will be burned up.
You fail to see the longsuffering God even in judgment. Judgment is not instantaneous, just like life has not been instantaneous. Revelation gives us Trumpets, Thunders, and vials, at least a dozen different types of dying, not just fire.

sovereigngrace · Jan 6, 2021

Timtofly said:
They and their works will be burned up.
You fail to see the longsuffering God even in judgment. Judgment is not instantaneous, just like life has not been instantaneous. Revelation gives us Trumpets, Thunders, and vials, at least a dozen different types of dying, not just fire.

According to you, not the Word of God.

I Thessalonians 5:2-3 the enormity of this climactic event: “the day of the Lord will come (or appear or arrive) as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."

Amils take this literal! This is complete, wholesale, and total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!

II Thessalonians 1:7-10 says, “the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.”

Amils take this literal! This is complete, wholesale, and total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!

keras · Jan 6, 2021

sovereigngrace said:
He is going to reveal to mankind, time, and to the natural, what He is now in heaven, the invisible realm and in eternity. He "is (indeed) the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords.”

We await the glorious Day when He will Return as King of the world. In the meantime we are ruled by humans, some do a good job, most are fairly incompetent.

sovereigngrace said:
Amils take this literal! This is complete, wholesale, and total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!

This belief is a direct contradiction of Revelation 1:7.
Also Matthew 24:30-31, where His faithful people are gathered to Him and are His priests and co-rulers for the Millennium. Revelation 5:9-10

sovereigngrace · Jan 6, 2021

keras said:
We await the glorious Day when He will Return as King of the world. In the meantime we are ruled by humans, some do a good job, most are fairly incompetent.

This belief is a direct contradiction of Revelation 1:7.
Also Matthew 24:30-31, where His faithful people are gathered to Him and are His priests and co-rulers for the Millennium. Revelation 5:9-10

You ignore/dismiss Scripture after Scripture and depend upon your own faulty opinions.

sovereigngrace · Jan 6, 2021

keras said:
We await the glorious Day when He will Return as King of the world. In the meantime we are ruled by humans, some do a good job, most are fairly incompetent.

This belief is a direct contradiction of Revelation 1:7.
Also Matthew 24:30-31, where His faithful people are gathered to Him and are His priests and co-rulers for the Millennium. Revelation 5:9-10

Your doctrine hangs on one faulty and frayed thread - the idea that the first resurrection has not occurred and is yet future. Scripture blows that error out of the water.

Christ is "the first resurrection" (Acts 26:23 and Revelation 20:6), "the firstborn from the dead" (Colossians 1:18), "the firstfruits of them that slept" (1 Corinthians 15:20), "first begotten of the dead" (Revelation 1:5). By having our "part" in Him through salvation we become part of that great spiritual harvest. Through physical resurrection we become part of that great physical harvest. Both the first and second resurrections are totally connected. Because Christ conquered the grave physically so we will conquer the grave if we have our "part" or portion "in Christ" through salvation. The key is that we initially experience our part in that glorious first resurrection "by faith" and therefore experience both resurrections.

Timtofly · Jan 6, 2021

Spiritual Jew said:
I'm amazed that you acknowledge His spiritual kingdom now. That is what His kingdom is: spiritual. He said it does not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18_36), but you want it to come with observation and to be of this world.

The physical kingdom will come when Jesus delivers the kingdom to the Father at the end of the age (Matt 13:36-43, 1 Cor 15:22-24) and it will be on the new earth.

I already told you what fit. Christ's ministry, death and resurrection and the preaching of the gospel to the Jews in Israel through the power of the Holy Spirit is what the 70th week was all about.

What physical Kingdom is Christ giving, if you only allow for a spiritual one? Christ offers up this physical Kingdom after a literal physical reign, not prior to. Only the spiritual Kingdom is literal now. The physical Kingdom is certainly not a current reality.

jeffweedaman · Jan 6, 2021

keras said:
Daniel 9:27 means 'at the completion of the 69th week. NOT 3 1/2 years after.
Making it fit the false theory of the 70th week in the 1st century, is gross error and made only to suit the preterist belief.

It is not a false theory Keras.

Dan 9
25 So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress.

26 Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.

At the completion of 7 and 62 weeks ( 69 weeks ) Messiah arrives to accomplish his work.
Is he cut off the moment he arrives or after his ministry of bringing Atonement in the 70th week?

You have him arriving and accomplishing nothing right.

How long after the 62 weeks was the city and sanctuary destroyed v26.?
wasn't immediately after the 62 weeks was it ?

To save going off topic perhaps you could respond to this in my 70 week OP thread.

Timtofly · Jan 6, 2021

sovereigngrace said:
According to you, not the Word of God.

I Thessalonians 5:2-3 the enormity of this climactic event: “the day of the Lord will come (or appear or arrive) as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."

Amils take this literal! This is complete, wholesale, and total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!

II Thessalonians 1:7-10 says, “the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.”

Amils take this literal! This is complete, wholesale, and total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!

I am not claiming survivors. You deny a resurrection.

sovereigngrace · Jan 6, 2021

Timtofly said:
I am not claiming survivors. You deny a resurrection.

Another false allegation.

keras · Jan 6, 2021

sovereigngrace said:
Your doctrine hangs on one faulty and frayed thread - the idea that the first resurrection has not occurred and is yet future. Scripture blows that error out of the water.

Jesus was Resurrected, 3 days after He was Crucified.
The first resurrection of humans happens after Jesus Returns. Revelation 20:6 and is only the GT martyrs.
ALL the rest of the Dead await the GWT Judgment, after the Millennium.

jeffweedaman said:
It is not a false theory Keras.

The belief of the 70th week having happened in the first century, is wrong and doesn't fit there at all.
The day Jesus was crucified was the last day of the 69th week. The Temple was destroyed 40 years later.

sovereigngrace · Jan 6, 2021

keras said:
Jesus was Resurrected, 3 days after He was Crucified.
The first resurrection of humans happens after Jesus Returns. Revelation 20:6 and is only the GT martyrs.
ALL the rest of the Dead await the GWT Judgment, after the Millennium.

You are adding to Scripture again. It does not say "the first resurrection of humans." It says: "the first resurrection."

Who is "the first resurrection" in Acts 26:23?

Who is "the firstborn from the dead" in Colossians 1:18?

Who is "the firstfruits of them that slept" in 1 Corinthians 15:20?

Who is "first begotten of the dead" in Revelation 1:5?

Spiritual Jew · Jan 6, 2021

keras said:
I regard this belief as a very serious accusation against Jesus. If He is in full control, as you like to think, then He is surely making a mess of things!

Does someone have to directly control everything that happens in order have everything in control? If so, does that mean God the Father has made a mess of things since the fall of Adam and Eve? Or has mankind made a mess of things despite everything that God has done for us?

To be consistent with your understanding of Christ's reign, you would have to blame God for the mess that occurred that caused Him to flood the earth in Noah's day. Do you blame God for what happened in those days or was it the fault of the people who disobeyed Him?

Your lack of understanding of Christ's current position as King of kings and Lord of lords is disturbing. You act as if He is up in heaven just twiddling His thumbs while He is waiting to rule. You are denying what He Himself said! He said He has all power and authority in heaven and earth and you say He doesn't! How can you have the gall to deny what the Lord Jesus said about Himself?

Read Revelation 21 and 22 have most of what we can know about the New Earth, after the Millennium; the Eternal state.

Show me where it indicates that the new earth will not be physical. You made that claim, so back it up.

If the Crucifixion actually was 3 1/2 years into the 70th week, Daniel 9:26 would not just have said after, which denotes either at that time or immediately after, but would have given the time, times and half a time period.

What are you basing your claim that would have to be "at that time or immediately after" on? That isn't what the Hebrew word 'achar (Strong's H310), translated as "after", means. The word doesn't definitely doesn't mean "at that time". And the word itself doesn't specify the length of time afterwards. It just means some time after. Even if His death was immediately or shortly after the 69th week, it still places it within the 70th week, which you deny.

Spiritual Jew · Jan 6, 2021

keras said:
The belief of the 70th week having happened in the first century, is wrong and doesn't fit there at all.
The day Jesus was crucified was the last day of the 69th week. The Temple was destroyed 40 years later.

Again, it very clearly says He would be cut off AFTER the 69th week. You are trying to change it to say "at the end of" instead of "after". You are deliberately and blatantly trying to change scripture to fit your view. That is incredibly shameful! Unbelievable.

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