Ohio Expands "Stand Your Ground" to "Make My Day"

HannahT · Jan 5, 2021

tulc said:
...doesn't this mean the people who are protesting can also bring guns and "stand their ground"? So again, doesn't it it all get down to who's still alive the tell the story?
tulc(is just wondering)

I guess that would depend on the circumstances. If you are a legal gun owner, and your state law gave you permission to carry? That you are in a location that it is not illegal to carry? You can bring your gun - and many have in the past. I've seen them in videos. It was legal there.

Now, that doesn't give you the legal authority to say those people with an opposite POV are a threat...so I will shoot them, because I am a legal gun owner. THEY are a threat to the WORLD and all that jazz doesn't fulfill the definition of the law. That isn't, '“reasonably believed that the force was necessary to prevent injury, loss, or risk to life or safety.” That's just being a murderous idealog.

Now, if you are in a store - or other dwelling - trying to stay away from the protests and were stranded there when it started? Group of nutters broke the glass out and tore down the door - and were coming for you - and others? You would have a reasonable belief they are there to harm you or others. That's a completely different ball of wax.

The law is actually interesting, and you should give it a read. It's not that long. The poster did supply a link.

Nithavela · Jan 5, 2021

Trogdor the Burninator said:
You'd have to think it would eliminate all no-knock warrants in Ohio

"I heard a bunch of people kicking in my door, I feared for my life so I started shooting."

"Also, I'm dead because the police returned fire and they were more and better trained then me."

Aryeh Jay · Jan 5, 2021

Jonathan Walkerin said:
So with that law what happens when some black guy shoots police officer because he was afraid of getting shot which can be certainly be shown not to be unreasonable fear over there ?

Working as intended ?

Seems like you guys never follow the logic to finish line.

Police NEVER kill innocent people...

ArmenianJohn · Jan 5, 2021

Once this is passed, it will be important for all BLM protesters to get their firearms and carry them at all times. This way, if a counter-protestor tries to gun them down or run them down with a vehicle they can defend themselves. In 2021 I will be supporting a group that provides legal firearms to BLM and othe liberal protesters - it's time to level the playing field.

KCfromNC · Jan 6, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine signed a bill Monday that expands incidents in which a person can defend themselves under a “stand your ground” law.

Senate Bill 175 states it’s no longer necessary to prove a gun owner considered the possibility of retreat before using force, so long as they “reasonably believed that the force was necessary to prevent injury, loss, or risk to life or safety.”

The bill also eliminates the requirement that a person be in their home or vehicle in order to stand their ground; the new law applies wherever a gun owner has the legal right to be.

This is gonna make those situations where right-wingers dress up and prance around with guns a lot more interesting. They could reasonably be considered a risk to safety, and if they have the right to be there people who feel they are a risk would have the same right to be there.

Jonathan Walkerin · Jan 6, 2021

Darkhorse said:
In law, there is a premise called "presumption of order", which (in your example) states that an officer of the law is presumed to be acting in accordance with the law. Therefore, attacking such an officer due to fear of getting shot carries an extremely high burden of proof, since the officer's actions are presumed to be legal.

Thx. Good to know.

jayem · Jan 6, 2021

Is Ohio turning itself into the Wild West? Just what we need—gunfights in the streets between hothead protesters and counterprotesters. All claiming they’re just “standing their ground.” But it might not be all bad. If these crackpots blow each other away, maybe we can return to a civilized society. Just gotta hope no uninvolved bystander gets whacked in the crossfire.

Aldebaran · Jan 6, 2021

Jonathan Walkerin said:
So with that law what happens when some black guy shoots police officer because he was afraid of getting shot which can be certainly be shown not to be unreasonable fear over there ?

Working as intended ?

Seems like you guys never follow the logic to finish line.

He wouldn't have a reasonable fear of being shot by the police if he doesn't first try to stab the cop with a knife, or lunge for the cop's weapon, or any number of other dumb things we've seen black people do here while being labeled as a "victim" by the MSM when they end up suffering the consequences for their dumb actions.

Aldebaran · Jan 6, 2021

ArmenianJohn said:
Once this is passed, it will be important for all BLM protesters to get their firearms and carry them at all times. This way, if a counter-protestor tries to gun them down or run them down with a vehicle they can defend themselves. In 2021 I will be supporting a group that provides legal firearms to BLM and othe liberal protesters - it's time to level the playing field.

Your buddies are already armed: Google Image Result for https://a9p9n2x2.stackpathcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2020/07/Protesters.jpg

In fact, it was an armed black guy who pointed a pistol at Kyle Rittenhouse's face when he was on the ground. Kyle rightfully defended himself as a result.

Jonathan Walkerin · Jan 6, 2021

Aldebaran said:
He wouldn't have a reasonable fear of being shot by the police if he doesn't first try to stab the cop with a knife, or lunge for the cop's weapon, or any number of other dumb things we've seen black people do here while being labeled as a "victim" by the MSM when they end up suffering the consequences for their dumb actions.

Yeah , or maybe sitting on his couch on his own living room eating ice cream when being gunned down.

Trial Opens for Former Officer Who Killed Unarmed Black Man in His Apartment (Published 2019)

Always suffering from consequences of those dumb actions. Should have gone to gym or something I guess.

Imagine some labeled him victim.

Aldebaran · Jan 6, 2021

Jonathan Walkerin said:
Yeah , or maybe sitting on his couch on his own living room eating ice cream when being gunned down.

Trial Opens for Former Officer Who Killed Unarmed Black Man in His Apartment (Published 2019)

Always suffering from consequences of those dumb actions. Should have gone to gym or something I guess.

Imagine some labeled him victim.

Nice way to avoid what I asked you. So let me try it this way....
Do you think a cop has the right to defend himself against a black guy who lunges at him with a knife?
Hint: What you posted doesn't have anything to do with what I asked you about cops defending themselves against a violent person (black or otherwise).

Jonathan Walkerin · Jan 6, 2021

Aldebaran said:
He wouldn't have a reasonable fear of being shot by the police if he doesn't first try to stab the cop with a knife, or lunge for the cop's weapon, or any number of other dumb things we've seen black people do here while being labeled as a "victim" by the MSM when they end up suffering the consequences for their dumb actions.

Aldebaran said:
Nice way to avoid what I asked you. So let me try it this way....

As you may note your first post above didn’t ask anything.

It stated there is no reasonable fear of being shot by the police if one is not engaged in act of violence against said police.

Which is of course rubbish. Your police shoot yoga teachers in their pajamas and people eating ice cream on their couch not to mention other less stupidly extreme cases.

If you want to move more goal posts rent a stadium.

Arc F1 · Jan 7, 2021

ArmenianJohn said:
Once this is passed, it will be important for all BLM protesters to get their firearms and carry them at all times. This way, if a counter-protestor tries to gun them down or run them down with a vehicle they can defend themselves. In 2021 I will be supporting a group that provides legal firearms to BLM and othe liberal protesters - it's time to level the playing field.

Your profile says Christian yet you are supporting a group headed by self proclaimed witches. How are you justified in doing that? Is there some loop hole in scripture that let's us support blm?

ArmenianJohn · Jan 7, 2021

Arc F1 said:
Your profile says Christian yet you are supporting a group headed by self proclaimed witches. How are you justified in doing that? Is there some loop hole in scripture that let's us support blm?

Does the Bible say to only support other Christians? Or to help all others? My Bible says to help all others. What does your Bible say?

Anyway, BLM are not "witches", you are believing a lie. LOL - "witches"!!! TOO FUNNY!!!!

Tinker Grey · Jan 7, 2021

ArmenianJohn said:
Does the Bible say to only support other Christians? Or to help all others? My Bible says to help all others. What does your Bible say?

Anyway, BLM are not "witches", you are believing a lie. LOL - "witches"!!! TOO FUNNY!!!!

Also, BLM is decentralized. Leaders in Atlanta, say, are not beholden to leaders in Dallas.

Arc F1 · Jan 7, 2021

ArmenianJohn said:
Does the Bible say to only support other Christians? Or to help all others? My Bible says to help all others. What does your Bible say?

Anyway, BLM are not "witches", you are believing a lie. LOL - "witches"!!! TOO FUNNY!!!!

If I'm believing a lie it's because they lied. She should have not admitted to being a witch and trying to conjure up spirits. "say their name".

What passage are you looking at that tells you to support witchcraft or evildoers?

Arc F1 · Jan 7, 2021

ArmenianJohn said:
Does the Bible say to only support other Christians? Or to help all others? My Bible says to help all others. What does your Bible say?

Anyway, BLM are not "witches", you are believing a lie. LOL - "witches"!!! TOO FUNNY!!!!

BLM leaders practice 'witchcraft' and summon dead spirits, black activist claims

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Jan 7, 2021

Aldebaran said:
Those who support Leftist anarchy, violence and destruction certainly don't--at least as long as they're the ones doing it rather than having to suffer the consequences of it.

I don't know any lefty , that supports violence and what you're claiming. I think your news is lying to you. Hopefully people on both sides are taught against this behavior. Conservatives Christians and Republicans act like Democrats /lefty have no jobs And weren't affected by the riots.

Aldebaran · Jan 7, 2021

Jonathan Walkerin said:
As you may note your first post above didn’t ask anything.

It stated there is no reasonable fear of being shot by the police if one is not engaged in act of violence against said police.

Which is of course rubbish. Your police shoot yoga teachers in their pajamas and people eating ice cream on their couch not to mention other less stupidly extreme cases.

If you want to move more goal posts rent a stadium.

They also shoot people who lunge at them with a knife. Then the BLM people cry about it as if it was wrong to shoot him. But it wasn't.

ArmenianJohn · Jan 7, 2021

Arc F1 said:
If I'm believing a lie it's because they lied. She should have not admitted to being a witch and trying to conjure up spirits. "say their name".

What passage are you looking at that tells you to support witchcraft or evildoers?

What makes you think "she" is the leader of all of BLM? Where do you come up with these ideas?

As for witchcraft, the Bible says that rebellion is the sin of witchcraft. Do you condemn the witchcraft of the Trump supporters and Trump himself yesterday? Or do you support that witchcraft? Do you carry US Currency with you, with all the witchcraft symbols and sigils on them? Or is that witchcraft ok with you? Or maybe you can carry the cash with witchcraft symbols on it but not support witchcraft at the same time?

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