Clare73 said:
In Rev 21:8,
the goats remain in the Lake of Fire in the new creation (Rev 21:1-5), the next age.
Lex talionis means "the punishment fits the offense." It is the principle of justice as found explained to the Hebrew people when God gave the law to the Israelites. Under lex talionis, you do not hang a child for stealing a loaf of bread, as those wonderful paragons of virtue, the Pilgrims did. You make the person restore the bread to you. If a man was caught stealing a sheep, he was made to pay back either the sheep by another sheep, or he was made to pay back the value of the sheep.
So, under this description of God's law, tell me what sin is worth an eternity in fire and torment
When I say I asked but you didn't answer, it's not you actually ignored my question, it's the above.
You answer. . .but not the question/issue presented.
As in the above, you do not address the Scriptures presented, instead you seek to unseat them with human reasoning.
I don't take my theology from human reasoning, I take it from the Word of God written, as in
Rev 21:8 (goats
remaining in the fire) in the new creation (Rev 21:1-5),
Mk 9:43, 47-48; Mt 12:32; Lk 3:17; Rev 14:11, 19:2,3, 20:15, 21:8.
You didn't answer my question. What is "lex talionis?"
Please describe for me the biblical punishment as found in Scripture - lex talionis.
You mean
this lex talionis, of Lev 24:18-21--eye for eye, tooth for tooth?
1) punishing
fire (Lev 10:1) with
fire (Lev 10:2),
2) punishing those who refused to be ruled by One who
loves them (Lev 26:14-15), by giving them over to be ruled by those who
hate them (Lev 26:17),
3) punishing those who refuse to
fear him (Lev 26:23), with
fear of everything else (Lev 26:36-38),
4) punishing the
lust of the Levite's concubines (Jdg 19:2), with
lust (Jdg 19:25),
5) punishing morally
insensitive Nabal (1Sa 25:10-11), with
insensitivity (1Sa 25:37-38),
6) punishing Michal's
reproach of David for dancing before the ark (2Sa 6:20), with the
reproach of barrenness (2Sa 6:23),
7) punishing David's killing of Uriah by the
sword of the Ammonites (2Sa 12:9), with a
sword upon David's house (2Sa 12:10),
8) punishing David's
lying with another man's wife
in secret (2Sa 11:3-4), with another man
lying with his wife
in public (2Sa 12:11-12),
9) punishing David's
numbering of the fighting men (2Sa 24:2), with a plague which reduced the
number of the fighting men (2Sa 24:5),
10) punishing
dishonor (Ro 1:21) to God, with
dishonor to themselves (Ro 1:24),
11) punishing spiritual
prostitution (idolatry--Ro 1:23), with sexual
depravity (Ro 1:24-27),
12) punishing suppression of God's
truth (Ro 1:18, 25), with abandonment to a
depraved mind (Ro 1:28),
13) punishing
trouble with
trouble (2Th 1:6) and,
14) punishing
harm with
harm (2Pe 2:13).
Is that the lex talionis you want me to describe?
And this punishing God is also our loving God.
Our loving God does not sacrifice justice to love. . .either in the above. . . or on the cross... or in Rev 20:14-15 in the Lake of Fire.
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