VP Pence refuses to join election overturning lawsuit

lasthero · Jan 3, 2021

Speedwell said:
18 USC 2384 If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

Lin Wood and Rep. Louie Gohmert are calling for armed demonstrators to prevent lawmakers from reaching Congress on Wednesday. That is seditious conspiracy clearly within the meaning of the act.

Gohmert has the excuse of being a longtime idiot. He probably didn’t mean it that way.

Every time I see this man, I swear, he’s either doing or saying something stupid. Boggles me that he’s had his job for so long.

hedrick · Jan 3, 2021

lasthero said:
Gohmert has the excuse of being a longtime idiot. He probably didn’t mean it that way.

Every time I see this man, I swear, he’s either doing or saying something stupid. Boggles me that he’s had his job for so long.

Insanity is a defense. Is stupidity? I think you'd have to show such a low IQ that he was incapable of understanding the meaning of what he is doing. That seems unlikely.

mala · Jan 3, 2021

hedrick said:
Yes. I thought the poster was referring to the continuing stream of stupid court cases. This would seem to fit the definition of sedition. But it may be necessary to have an actual act. That is, if armed demonstrators do attempt to stop Congress, then one might be able to charge Wood and Gohmert. But if nothing happens, I'm not so sure.

I probably should have clarified. I mean the meaningless court cases are one thing (which can be punished by other means anyway) but the threats of violence were my main issue.

mala · Jan 3, 2021

lasthero said:
Gohmert has the excuse of being a longtime idiot. He probably didn’t mean it that way.

Every time I see this man, I swear, he’s either doing or saying something stupid. Boggles me that he’s had his job for so long.

being an idiot should not be a viable defense though.

durangodawood · Jan 3, 2021

mala said:
being an idiot should not be a viable defense though.

In the court of public opinion (aka GOP primary elections) being "relatable" via demonstrations of ignorance is an asset.

essentialsaltes · Jan 3, 2021

Pence says he 'welcomes' the Congress objecting to the count.

cow451 · Jan 3, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
Pence says he 'welcomes' the Congress objecting to the count.

Just as long as he can wash his hands ......

Subduction Zone · Jan 3, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
Pence says he 'welcomes' the Congress objecting to the count.

Well, not quite. His chief of staff made the claim welcoming legal investigation for him. One has to maintain that Plausible Deniability don't you know.

Basil the Great · Jan 3, 2021

I wonder if Pence will say anything about the phone call to GA officials? It seems unlikely that he will do so, but anything is possible.

cow451 · Jan 3, 2021

Basil the Great said:
I wonder if Pence will say anything about the phone call to GA officials? It seems unlikely that he will do so, but anything is possible.

Ya mean the phone call where he “asks” the GA Sec of State for a favor? The favor being to find enough votes to win the state?

Basil the Great · Jan 3, 2021

cow451 said:
Ya mean the phone call where he “asks” the GA Sec of State for a favor? The favor being to find enough votes to win the state?

Yes, that is the hot topic of the hour and the day.

hedrick · Jan 3, 2021

cow451 said:
Ya mean the phone call where he “asks” the GA Sec of State for a favor? The favor being to find enough votes to win the state?

That's not quite how I heard it. It wasn't a favor. Trump believes he actually got the votes.

cow451 · Jan 3, 2021

hedrick said:
That's not quite how I heard it. It wasn't a favor. Trump believes he actually got the votes.

And they must be “found”.

essentialsaltes · Jan 5, 2021

LINK

Vice President Mike Pence on Tuesday told President Donald Trump that he does not have the authority to block certification of President-elect Joe Biden's win when Congress meets to count electoral votes, sources told CNN.

"The New York Times report regarding comments Vice President Pence supposedly made to me today is fake news. He never said that. The Vice President and I are in total agreement that the Vice President has the power to act," Trump said.

NYT vs Trump
verdict tomorrow

(OK, I guess there is the possibility that Pence does have the power to act, but refuses to do so.)

wing2000 · Jan 5, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
(OK, I guess there is the possibility that Pence does have the power to act, but refuses to do so.)

He has the power to preside - nothing more. If Pence were to try "acting", a Senator- only needs to object -triggering a debate and vote by both houses of Congress - according to Sen. Klobuchar's interview on the PBS newshour today.

jayem · Jan 5, 2021

As I understand it, the VP’s role is just ceremonial. He reads out the electoral votes that each state has certified. He has no authority to reject any EVs. Claiming otherwise is like saying the ring announcer at a prizefight can overrule the judges’ determination of which fighter won on points.

Subduction Zone · Jan 6, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
LINK

Vice President Mike Pence on Tuesday told President Donald Trump that he does not have the authority to block certification of President-elect Joe Biden's win when Congress meets to count electoral votes, sources told CNN.

"The New York Times report regarding comments Vice President Pence supposedly made to me today is fake news. He never said that. The Vice President and I are in total agreement that the Vice President has the power to act," Trump said.

NYT vs Trump
verdict tomorrow

(OK, I guess there is the possibility that Pence does have the power to act, but refuses to do so.)

Oops! There he went and done did it. Hoo baby is Trump gonna be mad.

Jonathan Walkerin · Jan 6, 2021

Talking about the Pence scam of choosing electors...

So the Republican party appointed these fake electors without governors or electorates consent.

And the forlorn theory states that Pence could ignore the real electors while choosing to side with these fake electors.

If they would go with this how could a party ever lose the Presidency any more ?

They would just always appoint fake electors that current VP would rubber stamp.

Basically Trump supporters are fine for turning US in practice to single a party government ?

A2SG · Jan 6, 2021

Jonathan Walkerin said:
Basically Trump supporters are fine for turning US in practice to single a party government ?

Of course, so long as it's theirs.

-- A2SG, any others are just fake, I'm guessing.....

TLK Valentine · Jan 6, 2021

Jonathan Walkerin said:
Talking about the Pence scam of choosing electors...

So the Republican party appointed these fake electors without governors or electorates consent.

And the forlorn theory states that Pence could ignore the real electors while choosing to side with these fake electors.

If they would go with this how could a party ever lose the Presidency any more ?

They would just always appoint fake electors that current VP would rubber stamp.

Basically Trump supporters are fine for turning US in practice to single a party government ?

You sound surprised... why would you be at this point?

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