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...What I was trying to communicate was the idea - not the grammar. I believe when God says YHWH Elohim in the scriptures. He is saying something like I am "the word/life/way" of the family of stone. Where the KJV says "I am the LORD your God" HE is saying I am "the life" of your "family of stone/immovable force."

The name יהוה/YHWH, is derived from the Hebrew verb, אהיה/ehyeh, "I am." But neither YHWH nor Elohim means "the life" or "the living." YHWH does not mean "I am" it is the masculine, third person, singular "He is." You may recall I quoted all this from the Jewish Encycloepdia. Do you have another more credible source? There once was a singing group called Sly and the family Stone, other than that I don't know of any "family of stone."

So indeed there is no other. Without Him there would be no elohim. Jesus and Heavenly Father are YHWH our Elohim together - they are ehad/one. This is what the Hebrew means from the time of Genesis when Elohim said "let us make man in our image." The KJV just doesn't do a very good job at teaching this since it adopts the Greek ideas of god in its language.

Fortunately I do not have to rely on the KJV or any other version. Nor am I forced to follow lock-step the teaching of any denomination. I have many language resources available to me such as Hebrew and Greek lexicons and grammars and commentaries by some well known Bible scholars, e.g. John Gill, Marvin Vincent, A.T. Robertson, Dan Wallace.
 
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The name יהוה/YHWH, is derived from the Hebrew verb, אהיה/ehyeh, "I am." But neither YHWH nor Elohim means "the life" or "the living." YHWH does not mean "I am" it is the masculine, third person, singular "He is." You may recall I quoted all this from the Jewish Encycloepdia. Do you have another more credible source? There once was a singing group called Sly and the family Stone, other than that I don't know of any "family of stone."
Your source said "the breath." That's the idea. "I am" the breath/life/word of the family of stone. Elohim is a plural form of Eloah, which the reader will find is used in the OT in reference to being the stone of Israel or the rock of our salvation.

Fortunately I do not have to rely on the KJV or any other version. Nor am I forced to follow lock-step the teaching of any denomination. I have many language resources available to me such as Hebrew and Greek lexicons and grammars and commentaries by some well known Bible scholars, e.g. John Gill, Marvin Vincent, A.T. Robertson, Dan Wallace.
Fortunately, I do not have to rely upon them, or the prior commentaries of Darby, or the prior "experts" of the middle ages or all the other experts whose opinions have fallen over the ages. I have the word of God and the spirit of prophecy. :)
 
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Your source said "the breath." That's the idea. "I am" the breath/life/word of the family of stone. Elohim is a plural form of Eloah, which the reader will find is used in the OT in reference to being the stone of Israel or the rock of our salvation.

Wrong! Want to try again? The phrase you are misinterpreting does not refer to YHWH but the root word. "the root idea of the word [ הוה] being, probably, "to blow," "to breathe," and hence, "to live." The citation clearly shows that the meaning of the covenant name YHWH/יהוה) is the third person singular imperfect "kal" of the root word and it means "He is," or "He will be," or, perhaps, "He lives." Watch the comma clauses.

Jewish Encyclopedia-Names of God

In appearance, Yhwh (יהוה) is the third person singular imperfect "kal" of the verb ( הוה ("to be"), meaning, therefore, "He is," or "He will be," or, perhaps, "He lives," the root idea of the word being, probably, "to blow," "to breathe," and hence, "to live." With this explanation agrees the meaning of the name given in Ex. iii. 14, where God is represented as speaking, and hence as using the first person—"I am" (אהיה, from ( היה, the later equivalent of the archaic stem ( הוה). The meaning would, therefore, be "He who is self-existing, self-sufficient," or, more concretely, "He who lives," the abstract conception of pure existence being foreign to Hebrew thought. There is no doubt that the idea of life was intimately connected with the name Yhwh from early times. He is the living God, as contrasted with the lifeless gods of the heathen, and He is the source and author of life (comp. I Kings xviii.; Isa. xli. 26-29, xliv. 6-20; Jer. x. 10, 14; Gen. ii. 7; etc.). So familiar is this conception of God to the Hebrew mind that it appears in the common formula of an oath, "hai Yhwh" ( חי־יהוה = "as Yhwh lives"; Ruth iii. 13; I Sam. xiv. 45; etc.).

If the explanation of the form above given be the true one, the original pronunciation must have been Yahweh ((יהוה) or Yahaweh (יהוה). From this the contracted form Jah or Yah (יה ) is most readily explained, and also the forms Jeho or Yeho (יהו ), and Jo or Yo (יו contracted from יהו , which the word assumes in combination in the first part of compound proper names, and Yahu or Yah (יהו ) in the second part of such names. The fact may also be mentioned that in Samaritan poetry יהוה rimes with words similar in ending to Yahweh, and Theodoret ("Quæst. 15 in Exodum") states that the Samaritans pronounced the name Iαβέ. Epiphanius ascribes the same pronunciation to an early Christian sect. Clement of Alexandria, still more exactly, pronounces 'Iαουέ or 'Iαουαί, and Origen, 'Iα. Aquila wrote the name in archaic Hebrew letters. In the Jewish-Egyptian magic-papyri it appears as Ιαωουηε. At least as early as the third century B.C. the name seems to have been regarded by the Jews as a "nomen ineffabile," on the basis of a somewhat extreme interpretation of Ex. xx. 7 and Lev. xxiv. 11 (see Philo, "De Vita Mosis," iii. 519, 529). Written only in consonants, the true pronunciation was forgotten by them. The Septuagint, and after it the New Testament, invariably render κύριος ("the Lord").

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That Elohim is the Tsur/rock does not mean that the name Elohim means rock!

Fortunately, I do not have to rely upon them, or the prior commentaries of Darby, or the prior "experts" of the middle ages or all the other experts whose opinions have fallen over the ages. I have the word of God and the spirit of prophecy. :)

Unfortunately there is a whole alphabet of unorthodox groups out there, UU, OP, UPCI, SDA, JW, WWCG, PT, BD, etc. all claiming that they "have the word of God and the spirit of prophecy." And most could not locate a Hebrew verb or conjugate a Greek verb if their life depended on it. So what does "the spirit of prophecy" really mean? It usually breaks down to "What my church teaches." Note even after several explanations you continue to argue for the wrong meaning of one word.
 
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Your source said "the breath." That's the idea. "I am" the breath/life/word of the family of stone. Elohim is a plural form of Eloah, which the reader will find is used in the OT in reference to being the stone of Israel or the rock of our salvation.


Fortunately, I do not have to rely upon them, or the prior commentaries of Darby, or the prior "experts" of the middle ages or all the other experts whose opinions have fallen over the ages. I have the word of God and the spirit of prophecy. :)

In Isaiah 55.11 the 'word' goes out of God's mouth, just as His breath/Spirit does.
The Word is alive , active, and creative. It also was life to its hearers, Deuteronomy 32.46-47, "My words are life." Jesus.
 
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In character, as a representative of Him...yes we should be correct in our character to best glorify His name on earth. In the pronunciation of 'a name'???? Like I said earlier, not so important to me. And as far as I can tell, nothing in scripture to indicate that pronunciation is as important to God as it obviously is to some believers.

Well, my personal relationship with God has shown he likes us call him father and son (Jesus) and the holy spirit. He hasn't said I'm a traitor because I don't call him Elohim or YHWH or all these things you said.
 
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Well, my personal relationship with God has shown he likes us call him father and son (Jesus) and the holy spirit. He hasn't said I'm a traitor because I don't call him Elohim or YHWH or all these things you said.
When I first read your post I thought you were accusing me of saying you were a traitor for calling Him 'Father' and Jesus 'Son'. But just before I almost hit 'send' with a big defense of my name (character), I went back to this 'years' old thread and saw you gave me a 'winner' emoji on my first post . That confused me. So I reread all your posts and my posts again. Now I'm mainly just curious and want more input from you as to why you're 'now' saying what you said, after no activity in this short thread from 6 years ago? :idea:
 
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When I first read your post I thought you were accusing me of saying you were a traitor for calling Him 'Father' and Jesus 'Son'. But just before I almost hit 'send' with a big defense of my name (character), I went back to this 'years' old thread and saw you gave me a 'winner' emoji on my first post . That confused me. So I reread all your posts and my posts again. Now I'm mainly just curious and want more input from you as to why you're 'now' saying what you said, after no activity in this short thread from 6 years ago? :idea:

Sorry my poor english it's not my native language. I just found this thread by search and I think this topic is never too old to reply.
 
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Sorry my poor english it's not my native language. I just found this thread by search and I think this topic is never too old to reply.
Your 'English' is probably better than my 'understanding'....especially if you capitalize 'English'. :oldthumbsup: And the position you have in your #25 post, is just fine with me. Be blessed.
 
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