Israel is the 666 in Revelation 13

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Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
And what point are you trying to make with this quote?
 
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And what point are you trying to make with this quote?


What point is God trying to make with this quote about the spiritual condition of "the great city" shortly before the 7th trumpet, and the time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others in Revelation 11:15-18?


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It's best to reduce what you are saying to 2-3 points and offer that. Let people ask for support, or complain about support. It just isn't good communication on a website like this to have huge posts and so many scattered references.

If you have read very much of what is here, you would know there are people here with decades of experience with the passages here that you are posting as though no one knew they existed...

Economy of words is key!

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The Mark of the Beast of Revelation 13 has NOTHING to do with World's Economy! This is NOT how we "count" the number, silly.

I never said it does. I responded to a poster who said "Too many words!!!" and was agreeing by saying "Economy (in context, of words) is key".
 
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What point is God trying to make with this quote about the spiritual condition of "the great city" shortly before the 7th trumpet, and the time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others in Revelation 11:15-18?


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He's saying that Jerusalem is the great harlot responsible for the blood of the prophets and is about to receive God's wrath. That's my take, but I'd really like to hear yours.
 
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Revelation 13 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.18 Here is WISDOM. Let him that hath UNDERSTANDING count the number of the beast: for it is the NUMBER OF A MAN; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

666 is mentioned 3 other times in the bible


Ezra 2:13

13 The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six.

and

1 Kings 10:14

14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold,

and then the same thing again in 2 chronicles.

2 Chronicles 9:

13 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred and threescore and six talents of gold;


WISDOM and UNDERSTANDING of Solomon

1 Kings 3:12

12 Behold, I have done according to thy words: lo, I have given thee a WISE and an UNDERSTANDING heart; so that there was none like thee before thee, neither after thee shall any arise like unto thee.


1 Kings 4:29

God gave Solomon WISDOM and very great insight, and a breadth of understanding as measureless as the sand on the seashore. 30 Solomon's WISDOM was greater than the WISDOM of all the men of the East, and greater than all the WISDOM of Egypt. 31 He was WISER THAN ANY OTHER MAN, including Ethan the Ezrahite--wiser than Heman, Calcol and Darda, the sons of Mahol. And his fame spread to all the surrounding nations. 32 He spoke three thousand proverbs and his songs numbered a thousand and five. 33 He described plant life, from the cedar of Lebanon to the hyssop that grows out of walls. He also taught about animals and birds, reptiles and fish. 34 Men of all nations came to listen to Solomon's WISDOM, sent by all the kings of the world, who had heard of his WISDOM.

So John writing Revelation 60 AD or so here is making the reference back to king Solomon from ~1000 BC and saying a 'beast' (which Daniel says is king or kingdom) will arise from 60 AD onwards with properties of king Solomon and will (try to) mark everyone on earth.

King Solomons properties

3rd king of united kingdom of ancient Israel. Ancient Israel was on the same land as modern Israel/Palestine aka the Levant. bible.ca has tons of good maps i cant post links they have maps of ancient Israel.



Wisest man in history and most evil man in history after he went apostate in 1 kings 11.

Built the 1st temple maybe on the temple mount.

In Islamic tradition took the hexagram as his symbol to cast spells and do witchcraft with when he went evil in 1 kings 11 so it got the name the 'Seal of Solomon'.

So over the past 1900 or so years has any kingdom arose with any properties of Solomon in the near east area? No. Until 1948 AD a kingdom arises with the seal of solomon (hexagram) on its flag. Making the modern state of Israel either the 666 in Revelation 13 or the kingdom which will be ruled by the 666 if its a person ( the 1st beast rules for 42 months or 3 1/2 years which means its a person).

Jew is a religion, not a race,( please see my other thread in christian scriptures forum )and is the pharisee religion from Jesus time and are going to mark everyone on earth one day or kill them. Christians will be forced to renounce faith in Jesus Christ or be killed. The only thing i see that can be done is if you are a christian and send money to it STOP SENDING MONEY TO THEM they are anti Christ pharisees.

In the greek OT which is the oldest OT in existence the word jew should be Judeean and in the greek NT should be Judean, on the cross was Jesus Christ king of the JUDEANS. Anyway just english bibles: If someone wants to define jew in the OT as 'genetic offspring of the patriarch Judah' then there is good and bad fig jews in Jeremiah 24, the good figs jews went into Babylon 587 BC then came back and built another temple in Ezra/Nehemiah, the bad fig jews got KICKED OFF THE LAND (Palestine).

After Solomon went evil in 1 kings 11 the kingdom split and his bloodline continued ruling the southern kingdom of Judah, then the 2 last kings got cursed

Jeremiah 22:30King James Version (KJV)

30 Thus saith the Lord, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.

and then

Jeremiah 24

8 And as the evil figs, which cannot be eaten, they are so evil; surely thus saith the Lord, So will I give Zedekiah the king of Judah, and his princes, and the residue of Jerusalem, that remain in this land, and them that dwell in the land of Egypt:

9 And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them.

10 And I will send the sword, the famine, and the pestilence, among them, till they be consumed from off the land that I gave unto them and to their fathers.

It makes sense it was the bad fig jews that were still in Palestine (named iudea) in Jesus time, composed the pharisees, killed Jesus and are now over in Palestine kiling people.

John 7:1

After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.

1 thessalonians 2

14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

15 Who both KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.

Revelation 22:16

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Jesus is the actual star of David not the imitation star of david on star on israels flag,

Acts 7:43

Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon

Amos 5:26

But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.

Galatians 3:28

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

John 5:46-47

46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?”

Jews read the Torah or Moses 5 books along with the rest of the OT and they DO NOT believe in Jesus so they dont even believe Moses even though they read it says Jesus!


Romans 2:28-29New King James Version (NKJV)

28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

So for 2000 years christians are the new jews/Israel/Israelites regardless of 'race' and the 'jews' are not.



Revelation 2:9King James Version (KJV)

9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of satan.

Revelation 3:9King James Version (KJV)

9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee



Titus 1:10

10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially THEY OF THE CIRCUMCISION:

11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.

13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

14 Not giving heed to JEWISH FABLES, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.


A modern jewish FABLE/LIE is that jews have a biblical claim to Palestine and should be supported to MURDER woman and children (men too of course anyone who gets in their way) and steal land.



John 8:44 Jesus to the jews/pharisees

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.





Galatains 3

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.


John 10:22-42

22 The Festival of the Dedication of the Temple took place in Jerusalem during the winter. 23 Jesus was walking on Solomon’s porch in the temple courtyard.

24 The Jews surrounded him. They asked him, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”

25 Jesus answered them, “I’ve told you, but you don’t believe me. The things that I do in my Father’s name testify on my behalf. 26 However, you don’t believe because you’re not my sheep. 27 My sheep respond to my voice, and I know who they are. They follow me, 28 and I give them eternal life. They will never be lost, and no one will tear them away from me. 29 My Father, who gave them to me, is greater than everyone else, and no one can tear them away from my Father. 30 The Father and I are one.”

31 The Jews had again brought some rocks to stone Jesus to death. 32 Jesus replied to them, “I’ve shown you many good things that come from the Father. For which of these good things do you want to stone me to death?”

33 The Jews answered Jesus, “We’re going to stone you to death, not for any good things you’ve done, but for dishonoring God. You claim to be God, although you’re only a man.”

34 Jesus said to them, “Don’t your Scriptures say, ‘I said, “You are gods”’? 35 The Scriptures cannot be discredited. So if God calls people gods (and they are the people to whom he gave the Scriptures), 36 why do you say that I’m dishonoring God because I said, ‘I’m the Son of God’? God set me apart for this holy purpose and has sent me into the world. 37 If I’m not doing the things my Father does, don’t believe me. 38 But if I’m doing those things and you refuse to believe me, then at least believe the things that I’m doing. Then you will know and recognize that the Father is in me and that I am in the Father.”

39 The Jews tried to arrest Jesus again, but he got away from them. 40 He went back across the Jordan River and stayed in the place where John first baptized people.

Just like in the 1st century jews believed it was blasphemous to believe God can be a man, the jews in 2014 believe this exact same thing so pharisee religion from the 1st century is called judaism in 2014 and has only changed slightly over time.

Galatians 3:16King James Version (KJV)

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.



1 John 2:23New King James Version (NKJV)

23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.


Matthew 15 King James Version (KJV)

15 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,

2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.

3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Jews have what they call the 'oral tradition' they believe Moses got it on Mt Sinai and didnt write it down but passed it down orally from 1400 BC until 200 and 500 AD when it was eventually written down in the talmud which is the basis for judaism religion. The 'traditions of the elders' and 'commandments of men' which is what the pharisees had in Jesus time was condemnd by Jesus so its the same 2000 yearss later in 2014.

Pharisees and jews are pretty much the same group of people in the NT.

Mathew 23. Jesus to pharisees/jews

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Christians should not support murder this is what jews are doing in Israel/Palestine

Revelation 13:10New King James Version (NKJV)

10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Hebrews 8

13 In that he saith, A NEW COVENANT, he hath made the first OLD. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

So all that garbage jews do with clean and unclean foods is just a anti Christ perversion of the OLD COVENANT their religion is based on the pharisee talmud not the OT.



John 8:44-45King James Version (KJV) Jesus to the pharisee jews

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” (Galatians 3:29



Type in 'When Israel is mighty' on youtube and watch that too the 1st one that comes up/

The beast in Rev is a world power and all the world follows after him----since when has the world followed after Israel? They are not a world power. All of the middle east has wanted to wipe them out for years now and continue to do so. It does not have the power to have their religious convictions put into effect in all nations, which is what the beast will do. 666 is the number of man---just as 777 is a number of God. Israel has not killed all of God's prophets around the world. They were the ones that were killed. During the middle ages they did not murder millions for following God and His commandments. The beast is one power that will kill those who keep His commandments.
 
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