Supporting Trump -- calculation for 2024?

Tiberius Lee · Jan 4, 2021

Hazelelponi said:
Such a ridiculous comment. How many actual Christians actually exist in America anyway...? Lots of people talk, but few can seem to recognise one in truth.

We have policy concerns in government, we have Christian concerns in church, home, family, neighborhoods..

It's not "getting what we want" where concerns policy, it's called good governance from a government whose job is to represent the interests of those who are choosing them as their representatives...

They've turned it all into bread and circus in Washington... and here we thought Rome was dead. Not. Yet.

If the republican party goes back to the same old song and dance they just lost a good 25 million voters. Period.

Oh I thought we were talking about “actual Christian” and their behavior. But I see you are questioning if we have “actual Christian” in America or not. I can’t speak for others , I will speak for myself, I am a sinner who is saved by grace. I stumble every day in my walk with Christ, but I try to pick up my own cross every day. I can’t speak for you or others, but my personal understanding of the scripture is that when we rationalize ‘ end justify the means “ , then we are no better then non-Christian. You might be ok with it, but I am not.

lordjeff · Jan 4, 2021

MIDutch said:
trump does not understand economics. The only thing he understands is how to make himself richer (no matter what it takes or who it might hurt).

Folks-use some critical reasoning instead of just hate. Trump did not take a salary while president. He is already a billionaire, that means he is not dependent on anyone for money. There are couple types of politicians-those that are low in assets & hence look in every direction to see where they can grab a donation, make an appearance, make themselves feel relevant. Those who are very rich don't need any more money to impress people. Now with Trump, he's not say Gates or Robert Woods Johnson. Gates is always out investing in other technologies besides his line of work & seeing what can be done to improve lives for consumers. He's a billionaire already too but if it's not software, it's energy, it's malaria nets, its biological insect control, it's about getting tablets into the classroom, it's about investing nuclear fusion. Don't broadbrush people. RWJ, one of the founders of J&J, has foundations that work across the medical field & the cultural field. Trump just doesn't like to loose be/c it's an embarrassment. He lost it by his own fault-it's not your aptitude, it's your attitude. But don't think that all rich people are all greedy & want every last cent on the planet. That's a prejudicial statement.

Aryeh Jay · Jan 4, 2021

lordjeff said:
Folks-use some critical reasoning instead of just hate. Trump did not take a salary while president. He is already a billionaire, that means he is not dependent on anyone for money. There are couple types of politicians-those that are low in assets & hence look in every direction to see where they can grab a donation, make an appearance, make themselves feel relevant. Those who are very rich don't need any more money to impress people. Now with Trump, he's not say Gates or Robert Woods Johnson. Gates is always out investing in other technologies besides his line of work & seeing what can be done to improve lives for consumers. He's a billionaire already too but if it's not software, it's energy, it's malaria nets, its biological insect control, it's about getting tablets into the classroom, it's about investing nuclear fusion. Don't broadbrush people. RWJ, one of the founders of J&J, has foundations that work across the medical field & the cultural field. Trump just doesn't like to loose be/c it's an embarrassment. He lost it by his own fault-it's not your aptitude, it's your attitude. But don't think that all rich people are all greedy & want every last cent on the planet. That's a prejudicial statement.

Trump is not a Billionaire.

lordjeff · Jan 4, 2021

DaisyDay said:
He filed for bankruptcy six times. His understanding seems flawed, at best.

Well he is a very flawed character & it has played in front of us. But in all fairness, ya know many people who start businesses also go out of business at some point. Rarely does a chain survive forever. Capitalism is about risks. It's not about failure. Would you rather have the govt mail you a check every week & say you're too stupid to exist so we're here to help you--actually we're here to impress people how helpful & beneficient we are as lawmakers. Like to see them walk the road to Golgotha. Trump is also very insecure more so than someone who just says ok I'll go back to square one. Remember it's the congress that made bankruptcy laws so one cannot blame him for taking advantage of them. Again, look at the businesses that folded this year. What would your message be to these people. Would you say o well you're a failure kindly leave the planet you failed or would you yeah it's been a tough year for everyone whose lost people & businesses & a year out of their live. There's an old adage of a poem called Don't Quit. More people should read it. Other than that Trump obviously did not have a sound upbringing but he also has some psychological flaw-undiagnosed still at this point.

lordjeff · Jan 4, 2021

Aryeh Jay said:
Trump is not a Billionaire.

Why do you people join websites? to discuss issues or just to call people names & call out everything is fake.

GreatLakes4Ever · Jan 4, 2021

lordjeff said:
Why do you people join websites? to discuss issues or just to call people names & call out everything is fake.

I’d like to see some evidence that Trump is actually a billionaire.

DaisyDay · Jan 4, 2021

lordjeff said:
Well he is a very flawed character & it has played in front of us. But in all fairness, ya know many people who start businesses also go out of business at some point.

True enough, but six times? At least one of the times was for investing in a vanity project - the Commodore Hotel.

Rarely does a chain survive forever.

Trump is not a chain.

Capitalism is about risks. It's not about failure.

He failed six times. He even managed to lose money on a casino! So, yeah, sometimes it is about failure.

Would you rather have the govt mail you a check every week & say you're too stupid to exist so we're here to help you--actually we're here to impress people how helpful & beneficient we are as lawmakers. Like to see them walk the road to Golgotha. Trump is also very insecure more so than someone who just says ok I'll go back to square one. Remember it's the congress that made bankruptcy laws so one cannot blame him for taking advantage of them.

Six times. Why can't he be blamed for running his businesses to the ground six times? He stiffed a lot of other people, businesses, contractors and employees. This is not admirable.

Again, look at the businesses that folded this year. What would your message be to these people. Would you say o well you're a failure kindly leave the planet you failed or would you yeah it's been a tough year for everyone whose lost people & businesses & a year out of their live. There's an old adage of a poem called Don't Quit. More people should read it.

Your claim is that Donald is good at economics; clearly he is not.

Other than that Trump obviously did not have a sound upbringing but he also has some psychological flaw-undiagnosed still at this point.

On this we agree.

jayem · Jan 4, 2021

lordjeff said:
Other than that Trump obviously did not have a sound upbringing but he also has some psychological flaw-undiagnosed still at this point.

There’s no question about Donald Trump’s diagnosis. Anyone who’s worked in health care knows, or should know, that he has Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Check the link. By my count, he has at least 8 of the symptoms of NPD:

Narcissistic personality disorder - Symptoms and causes

There’s no cure for any of the personality disorders. These are functions of how an affected person’s brain is wired. Treatment is limited to helping a patient cope with, and manage his maladaptive behavior. But Donald Trump would never seek psychiatric care. He’s not at all troubled by his psychological disturbance. He actually revels in it.

Belk · Jan 4, 2021

lordjeff said:
Folks-use some critical reasoning instead of just hate. Trump did not take a salary while president. He is already a billionaire, that means he is not dependent on anyone for money.

He is over a billion in debt according to Forbes.

lordjeff said:
There are couple types of politicians-those that are low in assets & hence look in every direction to see where they can grab a donation, make an appearance, make themselves feel relevant. Those who are very rich don't need any more money to impress people. Now with Trump, he's not say Gates or Robert Woods Johnson. Gates is always out investing in other technologies besides his line of work & seeing what can be done to improve lives for consumers. He's a billionaire already too but if it's not software, it's energy, it's malaria nets, its biological insect control, it's about getting tablets into the classroom, it's about investing nuclear fusion. Don't broadbrush people. RWJ, one of the founders of J&J, has foundations that work across the medical field & the cultural field. Trump just doesn't like to loose be/c it's an embarrassment. He lost it by his own fault-it's not your aptitude, it's your attitude. But don't think that all rich people are all greedy & want every last cent on the planet. That's a prejudicial statement.

No, it is a generalization that is backed up by research.

Higher social class predicts increased unethical behavior

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Tiberius Lee · Jan 5, 2021

lordjeff said:
Why do you people join websites? to discuss issues or just to call people names & call out everything is fake.

I will answer .. I will answer this question…I joined the forum not to discuss issue but to tell Trump apologetics that “ they are wrong”. I see you are quite a “Trump apologetics”

KCfromNC · Jan 5, 2021

Albion said:
Let's be frank about this. To succeed in a run for the presidency, you have to have a lot of things going for you. Many people in the past didn't make the grade although they probably would have been wonderful as Presidents.

And Trump didn't make the grade this year. Makes one wonder why 4 years out of the spotlight will make people think he'd be any more successful. Perhaps hoping some voters forget what he's like as a "leader"?

lordjeff · Jan 5, 2021

Tiberius Lee said:
I will answer .. I will answer this question…I joined the forum not to discuss issue but to tell Trump apologetics that “ they are wrong”. I see you are quite a “Trump apologetics”

I am not an apologetic for anyone. I actually vote 3rd party. What I do though is actually look up legislation to see how its worded, whether there are unintended consequences, & who voted. People can hate Trump for his character but he actually did get some things made into law unlike his predecessor. He has a character flaw no doubt, I believe it's actually a disorder in the brain & it pertains to the affective domain as we say in education. His understanding of science & social studies-clueless.

lordjeff · Jan 5, 2021

Belk said:
He is over a billion in debt according to Forbes.

No, it is a generalization that is backed up by research.

Higher social class predicts increased unethical behavior

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Those may be business debts but appears to me he still have money in his bank account.

Green Sun · Jan 5, 2021

lordjeff said:
Those may be business debts but appears to me he still have money in his bank account.

Are you his financial advisor or something?

You can have money in your bank account and still have debt and a negative net worth - Just ask anyone with college loans :sorry:

lordjeff · Jan 5, 2021

jayem said:
There’s no question about Donald Trump’s diagnosis. Anyone who’s worked in health care knows, or should know, that he has Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Check the link. By my count, he has at least 8 of the symptoms of NPD:

Narcissistic personality disorder - Symptoms and causes

There’s no cure for any of the personality disorders. These are functions of how an affected person’s brain is wired. Treatment is limited to helping a patient cope with, and manage his maladaptive behavior. But Donald Trump would never seek psychiatric care. He’s not at all troubled by his psychological disturbance. He actually revels in it.

Aha, finally some one looked up the DSMV. Yes that is what 's called but I think in the next DSMVI, they will revise it & move it up a notch to malignant narcissitic disorder. You're bingo that DT would never seek a shrink. I think seratonin & dopamine has something to do with it too. But I think his is off the chart. With all the people around him, family, the audience who sees this every day, you'd think they'd tell him Hey Don you got reign it in & know your audience-you're turning off a lot of people & for all your bogus attendance at church, you don't seem to be following the gospel or the beatitudes. Penny for your thoughts.

Belk · Jan 5, 2021

lordjeff said:
Those may be business debts but appears to me he still have money in his bank account.

I do not care what you perceive, only what you can demonstrate.

mala · Jan 5, 2021

lordjeff said:
Why do you people join websites? to discuss issues or just to call people names & call out everything is fake.

maybe stick to actual facts then and you won't be so sore.

lordjeff · Jan 5, 2021

You can always use the internet to look up information. And then you can always pull out quotes of wisdom which are largely subjective. My point on the matter is this, I can separate the what the man got signed into law from his character. That's all.

lordjeff · Jan 5, 2021

Green Sun said:
Are you his financial advisor or something?

You can have money in your bank account and still have debt and a negative net worth - Just ask anyone with college loans

Well he did not take a salary so he must be living on something. His r&b are paid for as is Air Force 1 but if he's eating out somewhere or picking up a souvenir, or maybe it's monopoly money.

DaisyDay · Jan 5, 2021

lordjeff said:
for all your bogus attendance at church

When has Donald attended church? I know he held up a Bible in front of St. John's but I don't think he went in.

Well he did not take a salary so he must be living on something. His r&b are paid for as is Air Force 1 but if he's eating out somewhere or picking up a souvenir, or maybe it's monopoly money.

Or maybe he is making a ton of money funneling government money to his properties and collecting huge amounts from Republicans, lobbyists and foreign favor seekers who hold events at his hotels?

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