Importance of the shed blood of Jesus in salvation

Basketball said:

The gospel mentions specifically that Jesus died for our sins. In addition, the shed blood of Jesus is atonement for our sins as well. I believe you need to believe in the shed blood of Jesus as atonement for our sins to be saved.


Would you argue that it is the death of Jesus that saves us, the blood of Jesus or both?

Would you argue that the shed blood of Jesus is part of the gospel or is it separate?

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It's life for life .... Jesus gave His life so we could have life through Him. Life is in the blood ... He gave His life ... therefore equates to shed blood. He laid His life down willingly ...

The wages of sin is death (for eternity) .... He paid the penalty of death so that we might have life.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Hebrews 2:14
Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil,

Basketball said:

You are saying that Jesus died for our sins is the same as Jesus shed his blood for our sins? So if you were soul winning with another person, you would feel comfortable just mentioning that Jesus died for our sins and not mention that the person must believe in the shed blood of Jesus as atonement for our sins?

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The blood of Jesus represents the death of Jesus, specifically the shedding of His blood on the cross. So in that would be both.

Basketball said:

The gospel mentions specifically that Jesus died for our sins. In addition, the shed blood of Jesus is atonement for our sins as well.


Would you argue that it is the death of Jesus that saves us, the blood of Jesus or both?

Would you argue that the shed blood of Jesus is part of the gospel or is it separate?

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Him "shedding His blood" is synonymous with His death. His death paid the price for our sins. Someone placing their faith in Jesus for what He accomplished on the cross when He shed His blood for them IS the gospel of salvation. So, the question is confusing. Maybe elaborate a little more on your question?

Rachel Harbinger said:

No, that’s only one part of the gospel. The gospel deals with the life and teachings of Jesus Christ as well as his resurrection and ascension. The gospel deals with baptism, repentance, and becoming a disciple. The gospel is about the kingdom of God. So while the crucifixion may be a focal point of the gospel it is not the gospel in it’s entirely.

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The gospel of salvation (i.e., what saves someone from their sins) and living as a born-again believer (i.e., obedience to God, water baptism, good works) are separate matters. The gospel of salvation, in its simplest terms, is, "For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting."

Basketball said:

The gospel mentions specifically that Jesus died for our sins. In addition, the shed blood of Jesus is atonement for our sins as well.

Would you argue that it is the death of Jesus that saves us, the blood of Jesus or both?

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Neither.

Would you argue that the shed blood of Jesus is part of the gospel or is it separate?

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When the Bible speaks of the "blood of Christ", it is referring specifically to the spiritual death of Jesus Christ on the cross.

Jesus death for the sins of mankind propitiates (satisfies) the Justice of God the Father, which frees Him to extend grace to mankind.

Rom 11:32 - For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

So, Christ's death for all of mankind allows mankind to be saved. It does not save anyone. Because He died for all, if His death saves people, then everyone would be saved. Which is obviously not true.

Edit: Is a person saved if they only believe that Jesus died for our sins and not in the shed blood of Jesus as atonement for our sins?

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Salvation is obtained by placing your trust solely in the work of Christ on the cross (His death). So, again, the "shed blood" is just another way of saying He "died for our sins".

There is no difference.

From the opinions of several in this thread, it appears that since the death of Jesus is the same as the shed blood of Jesus, that believing Jesus died for our sins is enough. Though I think it is better to simply believe in the shed of blood of Jesus as well after you believe in the Gospel in 1 Corinthians 15 1-4. See post #6 for more on the gospel.

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1 Cor 15:1-4 is speaking of Jesus' shed blood.

Do you see anything in the Bible that would lead one to conclude that there is a difference? And if there is, what is that difference?

Thanks.

Basketball said:

The gospel mentions specifically that Jesus died for our sins. In addition, the shed blood of Jesus is atonement for our sins as well.


Would you argue that it is the death of Jesus that saves us, the blood of Jesus or both?

Would you argue that the shed blood of Jesus is part of the gospel or is it separate?

Edit: Is a person saved if they only believe that Jesus died for our sins and not in the shed blood of Jesus as atonement for our sins?

From the opinions of several in this thread, it appears that since the death of Jesus is the same as the shed blood of Jesus, that believing Jesus died for our sins is enough. Though I think it is better to simply believe in the shed of blood of Jesus as well after you believe in the Gospel in 1 Corinthians 15 1-4. See post #6 for more on the gospel.

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There are TONS of people who "believe" Jesus "died for their sins"
and believe in "the shed blood of Christ" as their Atonement...
people to whom Christ tells tells them "I never knew you".
[Matthew 7:21-23, Luke 13:23-30, Matthew 25:1-13]


Jim

FreeGrace2 said:

Neither.


When the Bible speaks of the "blood of Christ", it is referring specifically to the spiritual death of Jesus Christ on the cross.

Jesus death for the sins of mankind propitiates (satisfies) the Justice of God the Father, which frees Him to extend grace to mankind.

Rom 11:32 - For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

So, Christ's death for all of mankind allows mankind to be saved. It does not save anyone. Because He died for all, if His death saves people, then everyone would be saved. Which is obviously not true.


Salvation is obtained by placing your trust solely in the work of Christ on the cross (His death). So, again, the "shed blood" is just another way of saying He "died for our sins".

There is no difference.


1 Cor 15:1-4 is speaking of Jesus' shed blood.

Do you see anything in the Bible that would lead one to conclude that there is a difference? And if there is, what is that difference?

Thanks.

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Hi So you believe that Christ died for everyone without exception and that His Blood/Death didn't save anyone in and of itself?

Brightfame52 said:

Hi So you believe that Christ died for everyone without exception and that His Blood/Death didn't save anyone in and of itself?

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Yes, that is correct.
Some people pretend that Christ PAID for the sins of everyone
ever born and now it is up to MEN to save themselves by doing
SOMETHING.


Some believe they can save themselves by saying a "sinner's prayer"
or by making an altar call or by receiving water baptism or be "inviting"
Jesus into their heart or by repenting of some sins or by DECIDING
to have "faith" (before regeneration). Then God SEES what a good thing that man has done, and God will be OBLIGATED to finish the
salvation process that good man has initiated. Of course, many in
the church understand this is just the heresy of a (false) synergistic
"gospel of works" and is the BROAD WAY that leads MANY (false)
"Christians" into destruction.


But the True Gospel of the Bible teaches that NO MAN will ever
"seek God" (because they are spiritually dead) and NO MAN
can ever come to Christ unless the Father "draws" them and
ALL MEN the Father draws "shall come" to Jesus and NONE
of them can ever be lost. In this Gospel God (not man) is
Sovereign and Autonomous. This is the True Gospel of the
Bible, which is the narrow way of monergism that very FEW
"Christians" find (because they were "elected" to be saved
before the foundation of the world).


It should be noted that, as the Bible foretold, MOST "Christians"
follow the BROAD WAY of the synergistic "works gospel" while
the FEW follow the narrow way into eternal life:


MANY are called ["called" by the Christian Gospel]
but FEW are chosen ["chosen" to become saved]


Jim


BTW... The Biblical FACT that the monergistic Gospel is also
the True Gospel of the Bible is proven very simply because
JESUS explained that some men were NEVER MEANT to be
able to "perceive" or to "understand" or to "be converted"
or to have "their sins forgiven"


Obviously, if a man was NEVER MEANT to "be converted" or
to have "their sins forgiven" that means that (a) Christ did NOT
PAY for their sins, since it was NEVER MEANT for their sins to be
forgiven. [Mark 4:11-12] Therefore it is simply heresy to teach
ALL MEN are able to "be converted" or have "their sins forgiven".
That is if we DARE to believe the Words of Christ. Few do.


This reality is also shown in Romans 9 where God explains that
some men are CREATED (made) to be "vessels of mercy" (saved)
while other men are CREATED to be "vessels of wrath" (unsaved).
That some are CREATED to be "vessels of honor" (saved) and
others are CREATED to be "vessels of dishonor" (unsaved).


It is GOD (not man) who decides WHO will be saved.
It is NOT of him (man) that "willeth" or "runneth" but ONLY
of GOD who decides to show mercy to whom He has chosen.


This is all very BASIC and ESSENTIAL understanding of the Gospel
for those who have "ears to hear".

Jim

Basketball said:

The gospel mentions specifically that Jesus died for our sins. In addition, the shed blood of Jesus is atonement for our sins as well.


Would you argue that it is the death of Jesus that saves us, the blood of Jesus or both?

Would you argue that the shed blood of Jesus is part of the gospel or is it separate?

Edit: Is a person saved if they only believe that Jesus died for our sins and not in the shed blood of Jesus as atonement for our sins?

From the opinions of several in this thread, it appears that since the death of Jesus is the same as the shed blood of Jesus, that believing Jesus died for our sins is enough. Though I think it is better to simply believe in the shed of blood of Jesus as well after you believe in the Gospel in 1 Corinthians 15 1-4. See post #6 for more on the gospel.

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The Death of Christ that saves and the Blood of Christ that saves are synonymous. Reconciled by His Death Rom 5:10 and Justified by His Blood Rom 5:9

The life is in the blood. Leviticus 17:11, Hebrews 9:22

Brightfame52 said:

Hi So you believe that Christ died for everyone without exception and that His Blood/Death didn't save anyone in and of itself?

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Correct. The Bible is clear by saying that He died for all. There there is no added definer with "all", as in "all the elect", or such.

The Bible is also clear that salvation is by faith. In fact, "faith in His blood", meaning faith in His sacrificial work of paying the sin debt of everyone on the cross.

But man is saved by faith. How many verses would you like to read before you'll believe it? Not being facetious.

Basketball said:

The gospel mentions specifically that Jesus died for our sins. In addition, the shed blood of Jesus is atonement for our sins as well.
Would you argue that it is the death of Jesus that saves us, the blood of Jesus or both?

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The blood is the death, which is why it atones.

Would you argue that the shed blood of Jesus is part of the gospel or is it separate?

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The gospel is about redemption through faith in the person of Jesus and his work. . .redemption rests on the shed blood of Jesus; i.e., his death.

Edit: Is a person saved if they only believe that Jesus died for our sins and not in the shed blood of Jesus as atonement for our sins?

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They are the same thing, loss of a large amount of blood is death.

From the opinions of several in this thread, it appears that since the death of Jesus is the same as
in the reformed theology, God is the boss, you just can't question Him, that's why Calvinism is a heated controversial soteriology system even for Christian

Jonathan Edward:
"God's passion for His glory takes priority over the salvation of everyone"

That's why the reformed calvinist would stress on predestination (sometimes it feels like determinisms)

Then you have almost the rest of the Christianity who aren't calvinist would worship Jesus because He love us. There's no shame to say God sent his son to die for our sins because he treasure mankind because we are created in His image.

2 Peter 3:9:
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

Ezekiel 18:32:
For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Lord GOD; so turn, and live.

To me personally, I think is the later one, especially after I read the early church fathers' writings. (of course I too read the bible like the calvinist did), what do you think?
the shed blood of Jesus, that believing Jesus died for our sins is enough. Though I think it is better to simply believe in the shed of blood of Jesus as well after you believe in the Gospel in 1 Corinthians 15 1-4. See post #6 for more on the gospel.

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Freegrace2

So, Christ's death for all of mankind allows mankind to be saved. It does not save anyone. Because He died for all, if His death saves people, then everyone would be saved. Which is obviously not true.

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I believe that is grave error friend. The death of Christ saved all for whom He died or there's no Gospel. How were these believers reconciled to God while being enemies according to Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life