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Timtofly said:

There was no sin in the Garden ever.

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You have to be kidding. If there was no sin in the garden of Eden, why aren't they still in the garden of Eden now?

Here is an inspirational exposition of the true meaning of Ezekiel 40-48, as the shadow fulfilled in the substance of Christ.

It will be read with enjoyment and understanding by those possessing and seeking spiritual wisdom and discernment.

It will be spurned by those without.

Christian Gedge said:

You need to remember that the term is a repeating calendar formula.

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Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Unless you know of any others, these seem to be the only passages involving this formula. How is it then that you are able to determine from these 3 passages that this is a repeating calendar formula?

BABerean2 said:

Why is it that I cannot find the word "millennial" in any of the passages you provided?

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Actually the prophesies in Ezekiel 40 to 48 will take place before the Millennium. The Gog/Magog attack of Ezekiel 38, 39, is too and that will fulfill the wonderful Blessings of Ezekiel 39:21-29
The righteous, faithful nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, in all of the holy Land.

BABerean2 said:

Why is it that Jesus and the New Testament authors do not talk about the return to Old Testament sacrifices?

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The fact is; sacrifices did continue for 40 years after Jesus was Crucified. Paul and the Apostles made them too.
There must be a new Temple built before Jesus Returns, the 'beast' sits in it, Revelation 11:1, 2 Thess 2:4, Matthew 24:15

BABerean2 said:

Was Paul confused in the passage below?

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We all know and are eternally grateful for the sacrifice Jesus made for us. But to deny plainly stated scripture, as you do; about a new Temple and how offerings and purification sacrifices will be made in it, is wrong.

When you actually read and comprehend all the prophesies about the new Temple in the end times, at the very least you should cease denying it and asking questions that betray your ignorance.

jgr said:

Here is an inspirational exposition of the true meaning of Ezekiel 40-48, as the shadow fulfilled in the substance of Christ.

It will be read with enjoyment and understanding by those possessing and seeking spiritual wisdom and discernment.

It will be spurned by those without.

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Though I don't agree with the Premil interpretation of those chapters, I did not find that article at that link all that enlightening. It was semi ok, but that's about it.

keras said:

Actually the prophesies in Ezekiel 40 to 48 will take place before the Millennium. The Gog/Magog attack of Ezekiel 38, 39, is too and that will fulfill the wonderful Blessings of Ezekiel 39:21-29
The righteous, faithful nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, in all of the holy Land.

The fact is; sacrifices did continue for 40 years after Jesus was Crucified. Paul and the Apostles made them too.
There must be a new Temple built before Jesus Returns, the 'beast' sits in it, Revelation 11:1, 2 Thess 2:4, Matthew 24:15

We all know and are eternally grateful for the sacrifice Jesus made for us. But to deny plainly stated scripture, as you do; about a new Temple and how offerings and purification sacrifices will be made in it, is wrong.

When you actually read and comprehend all the prophesies about the new Temple in the end times, at the very least you should cease denying it and asking questions that betray your ignorance.

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Keras,

Why did God rip the temple veil in half at the moment Christ died at Calvary?

What does Hebrews 8:13 say about the Old Covenant being "obsolete"?

You claim to know more than Jesus and those who recorded the New Testament.

Need I say anymore.

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keras said:

There must be a new Temple built before Jesus Returns, the 'beast' sits in it, Revelation 11:1

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The location of the temple in Revelation chapter 11 is found below.


Rev 11:1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.


Rev 11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.


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BABerean2 said:

Why did God rip the temple veil in half at the moment Christ died at Calvary?

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Because His Son, in whom He was well pleased, died.

BABerean2 said:

What does Hebrews 8:13 say about the Old Covenant being "obsolete"?

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There will be a new Covenant made between the Lord's faithful people and God. We see that some will violate it in Daniel 11:32
At present we, Jews and gentiles; have no Covenant.

BABerean2 said:

You claim to know more than Jesus and those who recorded the New Testament.

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I do know my Bible better than you and what God has planned for our future. All as Written by the prophets, incl Jesus.
You seem to have other ideas.

BABerean2 said:

The location of the temple in Revelation chapter 11 is found below.
Rev 11:1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.
Rev 11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

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That there is a heavenly Temple is well known. Moses copied it when he built the Tabernacle in the desert. Then Solomon built a Temple, next; the Temple after the Jewish exiles came back, which was rebuilt by Herod.
There is ample proof that there will be a third Temple in Jerusalem during the last few years of this Christian era and for the Millennium.
The Shekinah glory of God will be in it. Ezekiel 43:1-4

After the Millennium there will be no Temple in heaven or on earth. Revelation 21:22 Which is another proof that there WAS a Temple there before the New heavens and the new earth.

DavidPT said:

You have to be kidding. If there was no sin in the garden of Eden, why aren't they still in the garden of Eden now?

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Who? Abel is in Paradise, the current name of the Garden of Eden. His name is in Hebrews 11.

keras said:

At present we, Jews and gentiles; have no Covenant.

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It is sad to see the number of New Covenant deniers on this forum.

It is no wonder the Church is in a state of confusion, when many deny what is plainly written below in an attempt to get their man-made doctrines to work.

If Christ shed His blood at Calvary, the New Covenant must be in effect.



Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH— (Quoted from Jeremiah 31:31-34.)

Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.


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Timtofly said:

No sin in the Garden of Eden.

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Read your Bible.

Cain and Abel never lived in the Garden of Eden.


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Timtofly said:

Who? Abel is in Paradise, the current name of the Garden of Eden. His name is in Hebrews 11.

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Is Genesis 3 missing from your Bible?

keras said:

At present we, Jews and gentiles; have no Covenant.

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Matthew 26 YLT
27 and having taken the cup, and having given thanks, he gave to them, saying, `Drink ye of it -- all;
28 for this is my blood of the new covenant, that for many is being poured out -- to remission of sins;

Without the New Covenant, there is no remission of sins.

We who have the New Covenant are sorry that you don't.

2 Corinthians 3 YLT
5 not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think anything, as of ourselves, but our sufficiency [is] of God,
6 who also made us sufficient [to be] ministrants of a new covenant, not of letter, but of spirit; for the letter doth kill, and the spirit doth make alive.

We who are ministrants of the New Covenant are sorry that you aren't.


If you die without the New Covenant, what do you think will happen to you?

BABerean2 said:

Why is it that I cannot find the word "millennial" in any of the passages you provided?

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Straining at gnats again! There is but one passage that describes the length of the kingdom- REv. 20: 1-7.

Because after those thousand years are up- God the Father sets up teh great white throne, death is vanquished and Jesus gives teh kingdom back to HIs Father and submits Himself back to teh Father as declared in 1 Cor. 15.

So when we talk about Jesus kingdom on earth after He returns it has been called the millenial kingdom, for that is how long it will last.

BABerean2 said:

Why is it that Jesus and the New Testament authors do not talk about the return to Old Testament sacrifices?

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Because He did not talk about life in teh kingdom like the OT prophets did under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Plus it is not the inheritance of teh church, but for saved Israel and the gentile saved survivors of the tribulation and for those who died from the rapture to the return of Jesus.

Besides still waiting for you to show me the fulfikment of teh New Covenant as already happened.

Jeremiah 31:31-34
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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Remember it doesn't say "some of the house of Israel and Judah" but THE house of Israel and Judah so it is all of Israel at that time which occurs "after those days" (which you still haven't said when those days were) that the terms of this New Covenant happens to.

Where are gentiles mentioned here??????????

BABerean2 said:

It is sad to see the number of New Covenant deniers on this forum.

It is no wonder the Church is in a state of confusion, when many deny what is plainly written below in an attempt to get their man-made doctrines to work.

If Christ shed His blood at Calvary, the New Covenant must be in effect.

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It is more sad to see people who simply fail to read all the effects of when the New Covenant does happen.
None of the scriptures you loaded you post with, actually specify when the NC will become fully in effect. Hebrews 8:10-12
Are all God's Laws in our hearts now?
Are we are cohesive group, who have God as our God and are His people?
Do we not have to teach one another; know the Lord?
Are our all wicked deeds pardoned and remembered no more?
None of these things have fully happened yet.

After those days.....verse 10, refers to what Jeremiah 31:1-40 prophesied to happen before this NC is made.

keras said:

It is more sad to see people who simply fail to read all the effects of when the New Covenant does happen.
None of the scriptures you loaded you post with, actually specify when the NC will become fully in effect. Hebrews 8:10-12
Are all God's Laws in our hearts now?
Are we are cohesive group, who have God as our God and are His people?
Do we not have to teach one another; know the Lord?
Are our all wicked deeds pardoned and remembered no more?
None of these things have fully happened yet.

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The master teacher is found below.

If you do not have it, I pray that you will soon receive it.

See 1 John 2:27 to see why some of us already have the master teacher.


Heb 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.


Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.


Rom 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.


1Co 3:16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?


1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.


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nolidad said:

Besides still waiting for you to show me the fulfikment of teh New Covenant as already happened.

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Has Christ already died?

Heb 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.


Can you find the word "now" in the verse below?

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.


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keras said:

You both show a lack of reading the prophesies about the new Temple and how God will require offerings and purification sacrifices again.
Prophesies like Isaiah 56:1-8, Ezekiel 20:40-41 and Ezekiel 45 and 46.

Adamantly rejecting any more offerings or sacrifices, is wrong as God wanted them before and He will again.

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Is Hebrews 8-12 in your Bible? Have you ever read the book of Hebrews even once in your life? I don't know how anyone could read Hebrews chapters 8-12 and conclude that God would ever want animal sacrifices and offerings again.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. 8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

It's not possible to read a passage like this and then conclude that God would ever want to reinstate animal sacrifices and offerings ever again. The animal sacrifices and offerings from which He received "no pleasure" and did not want because they could not "take away sins". The purpose of the animal sacrifices and offering were only to foreshadow Christ's sacrifice and that is all. They no longer serve any purpose and never will again.

God was fully pleased with the sacrifice of His Son who "offered one sacrifice for sins forever" which was "once for all". Why in the world would God ever want to reinstate animal sacrifices and offerings in the light of the ultimate sacrifice and offering already made by His Son long ago? What an insult to Christ that would be! You are completely lacking in discernment regarding this.

You do not know the Mind of God.

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Yes, I do, because I have the mind of Christ.

1 Cor 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

nolidad said:

There will be a return to many of the OT sacrifices as the bible declares will be during the millennial kingdom. Just not the sin offering.

Levites have a role: Ez. 44:9-14
Sons of Zadok Ez. 44:15-31 will be in charge of the sacrifices
Is. 56:6-7 speak of the sacrifices in the millenial temple
Is. 60:7, Is. 66:18-23, Jer.35:18, Mal.3:3-4, Zech. 14:16-21 all speak of millenial temple sacrifices

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Did you somehow miss this:

Ezekiel 45:15 And one lamb out of the flock, out of two hundred, out of the fat pastures of Israel; for a meat offering, and for a burnt offering, and for peace offerings, to make reconciliation for them, saith the Lord God. 16 All the people of the land shall give this oblation for the prince in Israel. 17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

What were you saying about "just not the sin offering"? If you believe that Ezekiel 40-48 is about a future millennial temple then you believe there will be a return to the sin offering.