CHRIST RETURNS IN 2030?

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In a posting, I recently asked opinions on what calendar year people thought Christ was crucified. The answers varied slightly, but the general consensus was between 25 and 35 AD. For the purposes of this post then, let's say it was 30 AD. If so, should that mean anything for us today? Is there a Biblical connection, some Scripture we could look to which might explain when, at the time appointed, He would return to earth, when His second Advent might be?

Scripture quotes Him saying, Behold, I have foretold you all things. Mark 13:23. An all encompassing statement like that could surely include when He would return, right? Yes, but my belief is we are tasked with finding where or how, in the Holy Bible, that ultimate mystery might be revealed; for it is also written we are not to know the time or the season of His return. Then again, we are expected to search the Scriptures, to study to show ourselves approved. Is this simply a test for us?

Let me put it this way; Our Father, our Lord and the Holy Spirit may want to see, by our actions, how much interest we really have in His Word, in every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. That said, let's get back on topic; does the Bible tell us when we should expect to see our Lord? Try this, for I wouldn't want anyone to be ignorant of where to look. Did the Apostle Peter gave us our Heavenly Father's timetable for mankind?

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the LORD as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 11 Peter 3:8. This could be the Holy Spirit's way of saying, "Sharpen up kids, this is important!" And that is why I asked for opinions on when Christ was crucified. Two days ago, 2,000 years ago, the date was 20 AD. Today, we are now finishing 2020 AD. Humm.

Is it remotely possible, using the Holy Bible as the ultimate Reference Book, that Christ would be returning in 10 years, in 2030 AD? The atheists, even weak Christians, would say, "The man is mad! Don't listen to him, no one knows the exact date." That's true, but these are Scriptures we should consider; our Lord Jesus certainly would not want us to be ignorant of something He considered important, would He? Let's go deeper.

If our Beloved was crucified and resurrected in 30 AD then He would be gone from us for precisely 2 days in 2030 AD. Then what, what happens as we begin the 3rd day? The third day I shall be perfected the Lord told us in Luke 13:32. In Mark He said, After that He is killed, He shall rise the third day, and again in Mark, And the third day He shall rise again. Matthew tells us, The third day He shall be raised again, and also, And be raised again the third day.

It is commonly thought, and taught, and preached, the Scriptures were talking about 24 hour days here, and of course, they were. But what if the Holy Spirit wanted to teach us on several levels of understanding? Well, surely we would have known, something this profound could not be hidden for 2,000 years, could it?

And they shall scourge Him, and put Him to death: and the third day He shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken. Luke 18:32

Am I safe in saying that all wisdom comes from God? Consider this: if the LORD doesn't want us to know something we won't know, until He deems it the appointed time to tell us. Actually, it may surprise many to know the LORD did tell us when to expect the return of His Son in the OLD Testament.

Come, and let us return onto the LORD: for He hath torn, and He will heal us; He hath smitten, and He will bind us up. After two days will He revive us: in the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight. Hosea 6:1

How about that, we are going to get raised up when the third day begins! Now the scoffers and mockers will have a field day with this, so I'm not proclaiming the Lord's return on 2030. The two days might be finished on 2025 which would only leave us 5 years to end this flesh age. It might be 2035, which means we still have 15 years to get right with the LORD. Get right with the LORD, what does that mean?

Well, let's say we consider ourselves to be a righteous person, a person who always tries to do the right thing before the LORD, and before our fellow human beings. We need to make sure we stay that way, to be steadfast in our righteousness until this earth age is over. Put another way, let's keep the LORD happy with us.

If we are a wicked person, we need to repent, change our ways, and ask the LORD for His forgiveness; to wash away our sins with the blood of Jesus Christ. See, simple, we have a very loving Father Who is long suffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 11Peter 3:9

That's it. Like king Jehoahaz, I hope we get the 15 years, I think our generation is going to need it!

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Mark 13:32 says, “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” Interestingly, the disciples asked Jesus the same question just before He returned to heaven. At that time, Jesus told them it was not for them to know the times or seasons which are in the Father’s authority.

It could 100 billion years from now or tomorrow. Time has know meaning for god. There are certain signs one of the first many say the first sign is the rapture. I think that one will be noticed. People look at the world today the same way they did 1000 2000 3000 4000 5000 years and farther back the same as they do know. They see war, disease, and disasters. The difference between now and then is we have satellites in orbit letting us know everything going on in the world. Another thing is disease...we have conquered some the most deadly in history, and the ones we haven't we can if caught early treat. People live regularly to there hundreds now. few hundred years ago you were old if you made it to 40. But there is no sign on the exact time christ will return
 
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Additional thoughts.

In 2020 we saw such an acceleration of things globally. The whole world ran out of toilet paper. Someone was trying to get our attention. - lol

The social engineering experiment was a HUGE success. This was just a warm up for 2021. IMO

I anticipate that 2021 could potentially be 10x worse than 2020, which everyone hated. But what did we do about it? Nothing. We only complied. So, we are ready for the next set of orders.

What will they do to stop global warming? Turn off the supply of gasoline/petrol? Or raise gas/Petrol prices to $20 a gallon? (then $50) Create exhaust emissions restrictions that will close most factories in a matter of months? Make burning firewood illegal? Fine cities for air quality violations? Who knows?

The health industry has been weaponized against us. Employers are now able to get technology to monitor the health of their employees. What about mandatory vaccinations if you want to work outside your home? Or mandatory Covid screening? Resulting in quarantine and reporting everyone you have been in contact with. How long until half the population is in isolation? Or are we already there?

After 2020, none of this seems too far fetched to me. What about 2022? Then what? At the current trajectory, where will we be in 2023? Just 7 years before the World Economic Forum says we will own nothing. (but be happy)

That Thing Goin' 'Round (special thanks to Andrea, RK and Aaron G)

What is funny two hundred years ago every cancer was a death sentance. Disease we handle with ease today was fatal back then. If you made it to 40 you were old. Now lets look at today...almost every major disease is either cured, under control, or if caught early treated with a high level of success. It is not unusual to live to 100. Of course I could sit and whine and complain about how bad life is. Lets see for the last few thousand years people have been complaining about the same stuff every few years they thing the world will end
 
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The rules of this site forbid date-setting attempts regarding Christ's return on this site. This question might be removed.
1) This topic doesn't set a date. Focused on speculating about a year, not day, or hour.
2) The Controversial area allows more elbow room for such discussions.
 
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What is funny two hundred years ago every cancer was a death sentance. Disease we handle with ease today was fatal back then. If you made it to 40 you were old. Now lets look at today...almost every major disease is either cured, under control, or if caught early treated with a high level of success. It is not unusual to live to 100. Of course I could sit and whine and complain about how bad life is. Lets see for the last few thousand years people have been complaining about the same stuff every few years they thing the world will end
There is something to that.

On the other hand, I see big Pharma and the medical industry profiteering from this. Do a search on "Robert Kennedy Jr. vaccine" for a real eye-opener. Ironically, in 1986 big Pharma was granted legal immunity for all vaccines. (the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986) Since then the number of vaccines the medical industry is administering has sky rocketed. Robert Kennedy Jr. was originally drawn into the debate due to his work against mercury poisoning in the environment. Someone asked him why he wasn't doing anything about the mercury in vaccines. (say what?) So it began. Wow, what a story he has to tell. I watched the presentation on London Real. He is hard to listen to. (speech problems) I put my headphones down and read the subtitles. Mind blowing information. I had always wondered why there are so many new diseases. It seems that these things are being engineered. The longer we live with disease, the more money they make.

The London Real presentation was banned by YouTube. But still lives on their own platform. (sort of) Here's the link. These are clips from the longer interview.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - My Fight Against Mandatory Vaccinations, Big Pharma, And Dr. Fauci - Digital Freedom Platform
 
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1) This topic doesn't set a date. Focused on speculating about a year, not day, or hour.
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Thanks for the clarification!
 
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In a posting, I recently asked opinions on what calendar year people thought Christ was crucified. The answers varied slightly, but the general consensus was between 25 and 35 AD. For the purposes of this post then, let's say it was 30 AD. If so, should that mean anything for us today? Is there a Biblical connection, some Scripture we could look to which might explain when, at the time appointed, He would return to earth, when His second Advent might be?

Scripture quotes Him saying, Behold, I have foretold you all things. Mark 13:23. An all encompassing statement like that could surely include when He would return, right? Yes, but my belief is we are tasked with finding where or how, in the Holy Bible, that ultimate mystery might be revealed; for it is also written we are not to know the time or the season of His return. Then again, we are expected to search the Scriptures, to study to show ourselves approved. Is this simply a test for us?

Let me put it this way; Our Father, our Lord and the Holy Spirit may want to see, by our actions, how much interest we really have in His Word, in every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. That said, let's get back on topic; does the Bible tell us when we should expect to see our Lord? Try this, for I wouldn't want anyone to be ignorant of where to look. Did the Apostle Peter gave us our Heavenly Father's timetable for mankind?

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the LORD as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 11 Peter 3:8. This could be the Holy Spirit's way of saying, "Sharpen up kids, this is important!" And that is why I asked for opinions on when Christ was crucified. Two days ago, 2,000 years ago, the date was 20 AD. Today, we are now finishing 2020 AD. Humm.

Is it remotely possible, using the Holy Bible as the ultimate Reference Book, that Christ would be returning in 10 years, in 2030 AD? The atheists, even weak Christians, would say, "The man is mad! Don't listen to him, no one knows the exact date." That's true, but these are Scriptures we should consider; our Lord Jesus certainly would not want us to be ignorant of something He considered important, would He? Let's go deeper.

If our Beloved was crucified and resurrected in 30 AD then He would be gone from us for precisely 2 days in 2030 AD. Then what, what happens as we begin the 3rd day? The third day I shall be perfected the Lord told us in Luke 13:32. In Mark He said, After that He is killed, He shall rise the third day, and again in Mark, And the third day He shall rise again. Matthew tells us, The third day He shall be raised again, and also, And be raised again the third day.

It is commonly thought, and taught, and preached, the Scriptures were talking about 24 hour days here, and of course, they were. But what if the Holy Spirit wanted to teach us on several levels of understanding? Well, surely we would have known, something this profound could not be hidden for 2,000 years, could it?

And they shall scourge Him, and put Him to death: and the third day He shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken. Luke 18:32

Am I safe in saying that all wisdom comes from God? Consider this: if the LORD doesn't want us to know something we won't know, until He deems it the appointed time to tell us. Actually, it may surprise many to know the LORD did tell us when to expect the return of His Son in the OLD Testament.

Come, and let us return onto the LORD: for He hath torn, and He will heal us; He hath smitten, and He will bind us up. After two days will He revive us: in the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight. Hosea 6:1

How about that, we are going to get raised up when the third day begins! Now the scoffers and mockers will have a field day with this, so I'm not proclaiming the Lord's return on 2030. The two days might be finished on 2025 which would only leave us 5 years to end this flesh age. It might be 2035, which means we still have 15 years to get right with the LORD. Get right with the LORD, what does that mean?

Well, let's say we consider ourselves to be a righteous person, a person who always tries to do the right thing before the LORD, and before our fellow human beings. We need to make sure we stay that way, to be steadfast in our righteousness until this earth age is over. Put another way, let's keep the LORD happy with us.

If we are a wicked person, we need to repent, change our ways, and ask the LORD for His forgiveness; to wash away our sins with the blood of Jesus Christ. See, simple, we have a very loving Father Who is long suffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 11Peter 3:9

That's it. Like king Jehoahaz, I hope we get the 15 years, I think our generation is going to need it!

Jesus Himself doesn't know....only the Father.

I've heard people try and get around this by saying that Jesus didn't know the day or hour - and the implication is that we could be able to try and work out the week, month or year.

For me it's simple - in Matthew 24 Christ gives 4 signs of his return, the last one being the moon, sun and starts all go out.

At this point - he's about to show up.

Obviously I believe scripture teaches clearly a post-tribulation appearing of Christ and not the "any moment now" teaching.

So when I am in the tribulation and the antichrist shows his true colours after 3 1/2 years then I will be counting 42 months until Christ returns.
 
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The very first experiment in this, as far as I can tell, was the anti-smoking campaign. They were able to turn half the population against the other half on the grounds that one groups behavior impacted the health of the other. And they prevailed. It's genius actually - you can get people to give up their freedom (or demand another group give up theirs) on the grounds of health.

And Satan answered the LORD, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life. Job 2:4
I'm happy other people are seeing through their fraud. I first saw it with seatbelts. It became mandatory for the greater good. Before that, Americans could decide for themselves whether they wanted to wear them or not, it was called freedom. Thanks for the input.
 
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I broadly agree but I don't think we can narrow down the year, decade or possibly even the century. If each day is a 1000 years and Christ returns on day 3 parallel to his resurrection then which hour did he resurrect? Because each hour is over 40 years so there is quite a bit of wiggle room. Jewish days are dusk to dusk so they begin at darkness, then possibly 12 hours later God says on the first day (the day Jesus resurrected) Let there be light to a dark desolate world. If Christ comes upon light which is sunrise this could be up to 500 years in the third day (1000/24*12). What you might be predicting is 12 hours of darkness before the light comes.

However this also assumes Christ was born at the begining of day 1 (hour 0, right at dusk). And in similar fashion he may have been born upon first light, 12 hours into the first day which would mean day 3 started quite some time ago and his return is about in 10 years as you suggest but at first sunrise (not sunset)

None of this may follow exact seconds either and may be more generally accurate which is more consistent with hebraic accounts (only the west obsesses over extact details). I think broadly the year 2000 is the third day and Christ will return on the third day but I can only narrow down the next 500 years.
Damian, thanks for the input, but I think your mind is in overtime. Take Peter's scripture and apply it as the Bible tells us. Now, how many days has it been since our Beloved died and resurrected? Two days.
 
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Your scenario is endless though, unless reproduction were to completely stop and no more generations followed. Otherwise, God would need delay perpetually. Personally, I believe in a certain set number that God knows will come in and that's all we the church are waiting for - the "fulness of the Gentiles" Paul spoke of.

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Romans 11:25
Rachel, I'm impressed! You're right the date is set in stone. You're also right about the "fullness of the Gentiles." Check out John 4 and notice how many "days" the Lord spent with the Samaritans. The Samaritans were considered "Gentiles" in those days and the Lord spent two days with them. I believe the chapter ends with Him saying something about "and many more believed because of His word." His Word would be the New Testament given to the Gentile nations. Thanks and blessings to you. James.
 
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88 Reasons the Rapture will be in 1988 became 89 Reasons the Rapture will be in 1989 on January 1, 1989. Point being, making predictions of any sort is a fools errand. Believers need to stop wasting time coming up with clever misinterpretations of scripture to wedge into current events and spend time studying real theology and focus on personal holiness.
I disagree Redwing, we are tasked to "watch" so that His return does not take us "unawares." The 7th day people were convinced the end would come in 1844. Harold Camping, a noted theologian, was convinced it would be in the early 90's. So, you are right, people have always tried to figure it out, many only to make a name for themselves. Now read my posting again without prejudice, using all the scriptures given and the emphasis on the importance of righteousness. Thanks for your thoughts.
 
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I'm happy other people are seeing through their fraud. I first saw it with seatbelts. It became mandatory for the greater good. Before that, Americans could decide for themselves whether they wanted to wear them or not, it was called freedom. Thanks for the input.

"Freedom" in choosing to not wear a seat belt.....have you ever seen pictures of people that exercise that "freedom" and have a head on crash? Sometimes the laws of the land have to step in when people don't have the sense to make logical choices for themselves....
 
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Jesus Himself doesn't know....only the Father.

Then Jesus is not GOD based on your post.

Mark 13:32 "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."
If the text proves that men will know nothing of the period of the second advent, it also proves that angels will know nothing of it, and also that the Son will know nothing of it, till the event takes place! This position proves too much, therefore proves nothing to the point. Christ will know of the period of His second advent to this world. The holy angels who wait around the throne of Heaven to receive messages relative to the part they act in the salvation of men, will know of the time of this closing event of salvation. And so will the waiting, watching people of God understand. An old English version of the passage reads, "But that day and hour no man maketh known, neither the angels which are in Heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." This is the correct reading, according to several of the ablest critics of the age. The word know is used in the same sense here that it is by Paul in 1 Corinthians 2:2: "For I determined not to know (make known) anything among you, save Jesus Christ and Him crucified." Men will not make known the day and hour, angels will not make it known, neither will the Son, but the Father will make it known.
Day and the Hour James White

The above bold line makes sense seeing how Jesus (the Son) is all knowing and is GOD
 
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I disagree Redwing, we are tasked to "watch" so that His return does not take us "unawares." The 7th day people were convinced the end would come in 1844. Harold Camping, a noted theologian, was convinced it would be in the early 90's. So, you are right, people have always tried to figure it out, many only to make a name for themselves. Now read my posting again without prejudice, using all the scriptures given and the emphasis on the importance of righteousness. Thanks for your thoughts.
We aren't called to wedge modern events into scripture. We aren't called to make predictions about Christ's return. We are called to lead holy lives and in doing so we will be prepared for Christ's return, when and if it should happen in our lives which it won't for any nunber of reasons. But by all means make yourself the victim when your view is called into question.
 
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Sometimes the laws of the land have to step in when people don't have the sense to make logical choices for themselves..

It appears that you have forgot about the inquisitions "the law of the land set by the church"
 
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Then Jesus is not GOD based on your post.

Mark 13:32 "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."
If the text proves that men will know nothing of the period of the second advent, it also proves that angels will know nothing of it, and also that the Son will know nothing of it, till the event takes place! This position proves too much, therefore proves nothing to the point. Christ will know of the period of His second advent to this world. The holy angels who wait around the throne of Heaven to receive messages relative to the part they act in the salvation of men, will know of the time of this closing event of salvation. And so will the waiting, watching people of God understand. An old English version of the passage reads, "But that day and hour no man maketh known, neither the angels which are in Heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." This is the correct reading, according to several of the ablest critics of the age. The word know is used in the same sense here that it is by Paul in 1 Corinthians 2:2: "For I determined not to know (make known) anything among you, save Jesus Christ and Him crucified." Men will not make known the day and hour, angels will not make it known, neither will the Son, but the Father will make it known.
Day and the Hour James White

The above bold line makes sense seeing how Jesus (the Son) is all knowing and is GOD

Sorry - being a simple man I take Jesus at his word - that He (As God) does not know.

Again let me quote -

Mark 13:32 "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

Jesus is God, but the Holy Spirit inspired the text to say that Jesus does not know, only the Father. Good enough for me, and please don't put words in my mouth to say that I have asserted that Jesus is not God.
 
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It appears that you have forgot about the inquisitions "the law of the land set by the church"

Not at all. You ride around all you like without a seatbelt.

I drive a sports car with a top speed of 180 mph and 0-60 mph in 4 seconds and the amount of engineering in my vehicle to keep me protected is astounding. But even when driving around town the seatbelt always goes on.

Why? Because I'm not an idiot and I cannot control how other drivers behave and also because scripture commands me to obey the laws of the land.

A simple smash at 30 mph will change your mind, that is if you're even here to disagree. Again I ask - you ever seen what a simple smash at 30 mph can do without a seat belt? Not pretty.....
 
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I believe all names were written in the Book of Life originally, but are removed because of sin, yet maintained if a redeemer blots your sins out (from the other books). Which is why John 3:16 can say "whosoever will" and why in all of scripture, you never see names added to, only blotted from, this book. I agree though that a day is coming when the last of those that "will" will have come in and the door of that ark closed.

So you believe in a Judgment by someone empowered to remove someone from the book of life
 
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I believe all names were written in the Book of Life originally, but are removed because of sin, yet maintained if a redeemer blots your sins out (from the other books). Which is why John 3:16 can say "whosoever will" and why in all of scripture, you never see names added to, only blotted from, this book. I agree though that a day is coming when the last of those that "will" will have come in and the door of that ark closed.

And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.
Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin—; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.
And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
Exodus 32:31-33

Amen and Amen.
 
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So you believe in a Judgment by someone empowered to remove someone from the book of life

That was just an aside in response to the other post, which seemed to suggest Calvinistic predetermination (unless they only meant it in the sense that God knew beforehand who would believe). But I think that debate isn't appropriate here, so won't address it further.
 
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@James Honigman ; side question do you have any interesting Arthurs you have come across in your life time that you enjoyed growing up, or that you like to read now ?

The idea you are all different is right, but you all matter, are important, needed, and loved in life especially by God, and am encouraging you and supporting you, and others in the love, peace, right judgement, sober, vigliant, love, mercy, kindness, that comes from the spirit of Christ, that comes from God, that lives in us as believers here that we can have ability to have the spirit to help us while in our flesh we are tempted by everything we can be addicted to, that can harm us and take us away from the love of God were abstaining with the help of the spirit and trust in God, and be thankful and prayerful for others.

just my thoughts as well on the topics.
 
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